World of Warcraft

Originally posted by BackFire
SL/SL Locks and Resto Druids. Hunters are getting there with their new changes.

Shaman are pretty weak, as it is. Shadowpriests too. Rogues are a pain in the ass for me, but that's because I play casters and they're my counter class.

yeah I think rogues get way too much slack every other patch...

first a crucial caster killing talent becomes baseline (cloak of shadows)

now they can shadow step without being in stealth.. I mean whats the sense of calling it shadow step without stealth?

I killed a 66 Orc BM Hunter who was ganking me on my 63 shadow priest.. so currently I feel that they're powerful

Yeah, they're not. In fact Spriests are one of the weakest PVP classes in the game, as can be seen by Arena statistics. Their damage is solid, but their survivability is a joke, they have no means of escaping at all, they have to just stand there and take hits. This wasn't a problem before when PW: Shield was good, but in BC it scaled really poorly compared to damage output of other classes.

They're decent for one on one encounters, but even then, at end game, they're at the disadvantage of just about every class.

Originally posted by BackFire
Orcs look really cool, I think. Especially as warriors.

Could you post a picture?

I don't have any onhand.

Look at the WoW website, I'm sure they have some.

Originally posted by BackFire
Rogues are a pain in the ass for me, but that's because I play casters and they're my counter class.

their one class i find my warlock cannot beat so easily, warriors are okie (altho well equiped unlike me would beat me) and most other classes but when a Rogue suddenly uses all these stuns and such i feel a little outdone, i usually go down in a few hits, altho then again ime not pvp built so its probably expected, and ime not a SL build, afflicto, i just like killing my enemies with DOTS after ime dead

Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, they're not. In fact Spriests are one of the weakest PVP classes in the game, as can be seen by Arena statistics. Their damage is solid, but their survivability is a joke, they have no means of escaping at all, they have to just stand there and take hits. This wasn't a problem before when PW: Shield was good, but in BC it scaled really poorly compared to damage output of other classes.

They're decent for one on one encounters, but even then, at end game, they're at the disadvantage of just about every class.

I can definitely see that they'd die pretty quickly... but I also noticed (horde are usually the ones to employ this) when I go to kill a priest, or someone with healing capability on the other team I get the living shit stunned out of me by all of thier team-mates.. and I dont notice alliance doing that for me when I heal.. -_-

as for damage.. they can really bust a tooth up in arena.. specially when paired with a lock for twice the 'shadow vulnerability'

Have you tried to heal in arena lately?.. sheep and various interrupts are just out of control these days (to put it nicely)

I got sheeped 12 times between 2 mages.. and by the time the last sheep went up, there was still 4 seconds on it... nice diminishing returns right?.. then of course I went to finally heal.. (that thing I do), and I got counterspell spammed

but you know.. games "balanced around 5v5"... 🙄

Spriests usually don't get a chance to do tons of damage in arena, as they're almost always the first one targeted.

Yeah, against a mage in arena as a pally, you really just need to bubble before you start trying to heal, else you'll get shut down.

complaining about everything is pointless, if you take too many specials away from characters or make them usless in the end only your class is playable which is selfish, balancing is not neccerily easy, especially if theres s many unique classes, if they lost their uniqueness that would stab a hole through WoW

Originally posted by Burning thought
complaining about everything is pointless

I started the point merely because i was curious if it's only me who finds the things i see as overpowered, as actually overpowered..... if that makes sense.

i think what Blizzard have done is a sort of rock-->paper-->scissors, infact that thing Darth posted awhile ago was actually quite good

Warlocks own most yet Can be easily taken out of the battle by rogues, possibly skilled hunters, maybe a mage although their huge hitting crit fireball if it does not kill a high hitpoint lock is going to hurt him a lot

and then theres all sorts of counters for each class, so although it seems unbalanced to eachother, i dont think any class is invincible to all classes

Originally posted by Burning thought
i think what Blizzard have done is a sort of rock-->paper-->scissors, infact that thing Darth posted awhile ago was actually quite good

Warlocks own most yet [B]Can be easily taken out of the battle by rogues, possibly skilled hunters, maybe a mage although their huge hitting crit fireball if it does not kill a high hitpoint lock is going to hurt him a lot

and then theres all sorts of counters for each class, so although it seems unbalanced to eachother, i dont think any class is invincible to all classes [/B]

When i say a class is Overpowered, what I personally mean is that they can kill far more classes than most others, Like Warlocks, Hunters and Shamen.

Rogues can kill pretty much any cloth wearer, however, what allot of folks fail to realise that comes at a heavy price. Rogues Cannot kill mails wearers upwards, meaning; Hunters, Paladins, Shamen or Warriors.

Obviously when you fight someone who doesn't know what their doing you can upset the general flow of advantages. Aswell as equipment, though i think having much better equipment is an obvious upset in the normal flow.

Also a mage who knows what their doing defiantly shouldn't lose to a rogue. Use rank 1 AoE to find the rogue, then the rest is easy as pie. Though this is generally limited to duels, because i have no experience of level 70 pvp.

Going back to my original point, In my experience of the game i find that Shamen, Hunters and Warlocks have advantages in PvP over too many other classes.

Personal experience i say it's no anything as simple as rock paper scissors. It's advanced like a food chain, with several loops in it.

Shamen are actually quite weak at end game PVP, they're really easy to take down.

I laugh at all who mispelled "Shaman".

Originally posted by BackFire
Shamen are actually quite weak at end game PVP, they're really easy to take down.

What class are you?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I laugh at all who mispelled "Shaman".

What are you taking about??

Shaman = a single Shaman

Shamen = More than one

nice and simple

I have a 70 Shadow Priest and a 70 Frost Mage.

Originally posted by BackFire
I have a 70 Shadow Priest and a 70 Frost Mage.

Frost mage i would guess you can kite a Shaman.

But your shadow priest doesn't just die? (edit) If you can beat a shaman with your priest you're a much better priest than i am.

I've made a warrior, mage, pirest and rogue. The only one that i could beat shamen in duels with was the mage. Even the warrior, just....SPLAT via windfury

Well again, 70 PVP is very different from what you've done.

All I do as a shadow priest is dot up the Shaman, keep my shield up, use fear/silence to interrupt any heals, and heal myself if I need to.

They're not easy 1v1, mind you. They're kinda weak in groups, though, as they don't really have a means to get away from anyone.

I should just stop doodling an level i guess, just a hopeless lvl addict, have yet failed to level for more than half a level without pvping for a few hours, lol.

That's good, pvp at lower levels is a lot of fun and good practice.