World of Warcraft

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Are you serious, or do you just like giving me a laugh? 😛

A warrior, unlike a hunter does not have instant shots. They also have shorter fire range. He also needs to stand completely still. With a concussive shot a hunter can easily run away from the warrior and bandage up. If the hunter is skilled, the warrior stands no chance until he gets intercept.

Of course, you will probably run out of land if you try kite a 29 warrior at level 10 and then die if the warrior knows what he is doing. It will also take forever to kite such level range 😛

Besides, I had a boar. That warrior never stood a chance.

Instant shots won't matter. At level 20 the damage his ranged weapon will do will be near double that of yours. He would be able to take you down in a few shots. While having at least double your HP and armor.

The range difference is so small at that level that it wouldn't matter. 30 yards for the warrior, and 35 for the hunter. With the inherent lag in the game the warrior would be able to get within 30 yards easily if he knew what he was doing and knew when to move forward and when to stop and shoot. Again, at level 10 it would only take about 3 shots to kill the hunter. If you stopped to bandage, like you suggested, he'd just shoot you again and cancel it. Or if not, he would just have to shoot you one more time, since a level 10 bandage heals pretty much nothing.

And that boar is a none issue, he could just two shot it.

So yes, it does seem the warrior in question was particularly shitty for losing such a battle. A good warrior would beat a good hunter in that scenario every single time. If for no other reason than knowing when to run away and come back when you are occupied.

He ebay'd a level 20 🙂

i snuck up on a farmer, lvl 48/51 i think i was and a lvl 60 rogue just mucking about, he was either a farmer or as Mairuzu just said ebayd his character, i mean he was awful, he started running towards me doing terrible damage and attack and i pwned him terrible ,he didnt use any skills

Originally posted by Mairuzu
says the girl that doesnt even play 😛

I theorycraft 🙂

And I HAVE played 😄

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm serious, are you though? the more i think bout this the more i can't help but think it's just a fib.

LMFAO

Fib?

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Fib?

a Fib is a lie

Originally posted by BackFire
Instant shots won't matter. At level 20 the damage his ranged weapon will do will be near double that of yours. He would be able to take you down in a few shots. While having at least double your HP and armor.

The range difference is so small at that level that it wouldn't matter. 30 yards for the warrior, and 35 for the hunter. With the inherent lag in the game the warrior would be able to get within 30 yards easily if he knew what he was doing and knew when to move forward and when to stop and shoot. Again, at level 10 it would only take about 3 shots to kill the hunter. If you stopped to bandage, like you suggested, he'd just shoot you again and cancel it. Or if not, he would just have to shoot you one more time, since a level 10 bandage heals pretty much nothing.

And that boar is a none issue, he could just two shot it.

So yes, it does seem the warrior in question was particularly shitty for losing such a battle. A good warrior would beat a good hunter in that scenario every single time. If for no other reason than knowing when to run away and come back when you are occupied.

- Instant shot does matter. At 20, his ranged weapon does just about 6 more DPS than mine, assuming he was 20-25 his ranged weapon has a maximum of 16.5DPS and a level 10 bow has about 10.5DPS. That is not quite the double. Sure, his health will possibly be the double, but he unlike you is effected by GCD, stationary fire and a lesser ranged effectivity in total. Unlike him, me as a hunter got at level ten got at least five abilities that support my distance attacks. I also got boar for extra DPS. If he two-shot the boar as you say, he has already lost valuable DPS time.

- In my case, it was 30y for warrior and a 37y hunter. Has it occured to you that maybe the hunter knew what it was doing to? Mastering a maximum distance kite is tricky, but if you can do so then you have a huge advantage against pre-zerk warriors in PvP. As for the bandage part, I shot him with concussive shot to get away. Which gives me a 4 second lead since I already stayed at maximum distance. Then as he gets within threatful distance, I have my stationary boar to charge into him. Earning me another second at least.

- A good hunter beats a good warrior in most scenarios.

Originally posted by Lady Fox
- A good hunter beats a good warrior in most scenarios.

charge, hamstring? lol

I was talking later games. The point where hunter got PvP trinket, freeze trap, aspect of the cheetah and a charging boar 😄

At 70 warriors can beat hunters quite easily often. My friend plays a 70 hunter, he PVP's all the time and is pretty good and his biggest problem is against warriors and rogues.

And what level 10 Bow has 10dps? I thought these were average geared players? If the level 10 was basically a twink with the best possible gear he can get and the 20 was normally geared than that's a different story.

It doesn't matter if the hunter knows what it's doing, the inherent lag in the game works in the warriors advantage in this case, as it makes it easier for him to close that gap in the eyes of the server. And besides, why would I assume that this hunter is some master at level 10? That's not usually the case, and probably not in this case either, he was merely competent, and the warrior was shit as proven by the fact that he was continuing to just run forward at you even if it was obvious that there was nothing he could do.

I just asked my guild about this.

To be honest, if I were the warrior I would have downed the boar then gotten out of range to get out of combat as to have a chance to charge and close the gap, I wouldn't waste time trying to shoot when I'm going to get kited (and yes, I would get kited easily) either way.

If we're talking about the situation here we're assuming Lady Fox's particular skill level, it was her duel anyways and from what it looks like she's pretty decent at her class. In this case, a 38y (I'm pretty sure the talent grants 3y to ranged, not 2) hunter should have a decent enough room to kite the warrior even if he went ranged. 8 yards is a lot. The warrior, with the lag-range feedback, would very probably get one shot off. Then what, not only does he have to chase the hunter down (who's probably spamming concussive) there's a delay where he has to stop moving and use the Shoot ability, that's more than enough time for the hunter to squeak out of range.

Yes, that's what a good warrior would do, Dark. Run away and hope the hunter would be stupid enough to give chase, and then lead him into an area with a bunch of level 10 mobs that would aggro him.

And yeah, you'd get kited, but with the level difference, and the lack of HP that a level 10 USUALLY has (most level 10's don't even have much green gear, maybe a piece or two) all the warrior would need to do it get like 3 or 4 shots off to win the fight.

Of course no talented warrior would try persuade a hunter before they get Intercept, but that is the whole point of what I am talking about. There is nothing the warrior can do to win. Only hope that the hunter fault, or run into a dead end.

Both me and this level 20 had average gear. No obvious twinking gear, but I had a couple of greens and a green bow with level 10req. Even if the hunter is quite low on health, the warrior is not exactly Superman either. His health may be higher, but the hunter has faster ranged DPS and longer range. 3-4 shots would be tough for the warrior to get in, if the hunter is talented.

As for the distance, the talent increase with 2y 🙂

He can out-think and out-play the hunter, goad him into chasing him, and then cause aggro.

And yes, if he was skilled with his timing of ranged shots, the warrior could win easily, regardless of the talent of the hunter. If he knew what he was doing he could get off 4 shots with ease, no matter how good the hunter was.

How would he possibly get in 4 shots with ease if the hunter was talented? It's not like he can catch up and start shooting.

Well again, he can since the innate lag in the game works to his advantage. It would allow him to get a shot off when on your screen it would look like he's not in range, and it would allow him to finish the shot and get it off even if you moved out of range, again, if he was skilled and knew how to take advantage of said lag.

Again, the warrior in question here was just bad, and nothing more. Of course, that's not really surprising, most people aren't masters of their class at level 20.

I keep failing to see how he can win against the hunter with ease. Especially how he get the chance to fire his bow in the first place.

I just explained it.

The innate lag of the game, if he knew how to take advantage of it, would allow him to take shots when he technically is not in range. Very important PVP game mechanics, here. Though not something most really know about unless they've done competitive PVP in arena at end game. So yes, this probably wouldn't happen unless the warrior is an alt of somebody very skilled at PVP, but it's possible, and there's shit the hunter could do about it.

In order to take advantage of it, he need to get within shooting range.

Which he would do at least once, which is all it would take if he was good. As the hunter would eventually have to change direction while kiting to avoid aggro or running into a tree, the warrior would use this to gain some ground and get within range. Or he could stop running entirely, and the hunter would stop moving as well to continue to shoot, then the warrior begins to move forward, through the lag, he'd be able to get within range.

This whole argument is moot, anyways, as a skilled warrior would be able to get the charge off initially anyways in world pvp, by knowing when to attack.

Fact is, if you were fighting a good warrior you would have died one way or another. The warrior in question was, again, simply bad.