Originally posted by -Pr-
He talking about when Logan was scared and Beast was all savage? Or something else?Not the same thing, though. Shaw was a hallucination. Beast and Logan were very real, iirc.
You can think it's a good representation; nobody's stopping you. It's just not usable as evidence.
It was real but all of their minds were being messed with in a different fashion. I agree though, it isn't usable.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus was one of the few not to be kayoed by WWHulk.
Actually Thing showed much greater punching power than Colossus against WWH.
Thing really hit WWH hard and Colossus was more so so. WWH didn't ko Colossus simply because he folded him up like a tin can and broke his arms.
IMO, punching power is a wash (or slightly goes to Thing)
durability goes to Colossus
skill is a wash
heart goes to Ben.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually Thing showed much greater punching power than Colossus against WWH.
Thing really hit WWH hard and Colossus was more so so. WWH didn't ko Colossus simply because he folded him up like a tin can and broke his arms.IMO, punching power is a wash (or slightly goes to Thing)
durability goes to Colossus
skill is a wash
heart goes to Ben.
He did? Because the way I remember it, WWH took Thing down pretty quick and wasn't all that affected by his hits. And he left him bloody and crumbling.
Not only did Colossus make him bleed, Hulk said he'd have been good competition for his previous forms, and he fought with Colossus for a while longer than Thing lasted. Also, if he'd decided to do to Thing what he did to Colossus, he wouldn't have arms anymore.
Originally posted by KingD19opposite way around. Thing knocked the shiz out of hulk. plenty of blood came forth. Colossus barely did anything with his punch and got folded up like a tin can. Both went down quickly. I don't even think Hulk hit Colossus though, he just broke his arms and left him there.
He did? Because the way I remember it, WWH took Thing down pretty quick and wasn't all that affected by his hits. And he left him bloody and crumbling.Not only did Colossus make him bleed, Hulk said he'd have been good competition for his previous forms, and he fought with Colossus for a while longer than Thing lasted. Also, if he'd decided to do to Thing what he did to Colossus, he wouldn't have arms anymore.
Originally posted by -Pr-I agree. Colossus hasn't ever given up in fights. You have to kayo him to make him stop much the same as Ben. Heart is a wash also.
"Heart" is overrated, especially considering Colossus has plenty of it.
Originally posted by h1a8I'm pretty sure Hulk hit Colossus a few times in that fight. If you look between the lines Colossus battled Hulk for a few minutes when you consider all the the things that were going on. And in all of the panels Hulk seemed to be focusing his attention towards Colossus.
opposite way around. Thing knocked the shiz out of hulk. plenty of blood came forth. Colossus barely did anything with his punch and got folded up like a tin can. Both went down quickly. I don't even think Hulk hit Colossus though, he just broke his arms and left him there.
Originally posted by -Pr-
"Heart" is overrated, especially considering Colossus has plenty of it.
When Superman was taking the worst beating of his pre crisis career against Ali, and simply refused to drop, that' s the kind of heart we mean. Colossus fought Champion too, didn't he? I know Wonder Man did, and he was eventually beaten to a point he just couldn' t fight anymore.
Basically, with Ben, he' 'll either get overpowered right away,or keep fighting until he dies. And I' m not sure Colossus has enough of a physical lead to put lay him out like Juggernaut or Hulk could.