evolution

Oringially posted by hunchback
Ok, ok...I back down on the fossil dating thing. I was probably wrong on a lot of things, but my point was that scientists don't always know. They usually guess and make theories.

Originally posted by yerssot
oh and now all of a sudden you agree with the dating scientists use?

😆 I found this hilarious.

Hunchback, yes, scientist DO guess...and CHECK. They always check to see if their theories are right. If they aren't right, they change them. You think that scientists just guess...and that's it? That's the end of it? No, definitly not. Your veiw of science is COMPLETELY off. I'm talking not even close. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being the most correct, you would be somewhere around 400.

Originally posted by hunchy
Well you could, but most people didn't know it was a circle back then so, wouldn't that be a strange coincidence? As for your comments, Afro Cheese, I still respect you...because I THINK you respect me even if you disagree with me. And yes, they believe to have found the ark on the very same mountain that the Bible says it landed on. Mount Arafat.

Since when did Yasser Arafat have a mountain named after him? 😐

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Since when did Yasser Arafat have a mountain named after him? 😐

😂 dude, its mount sinai not arafat. know your Bible!

Yeah, no kidding... Even I knew that and I haven't touched a Bible for at least three years 😕

Actually from what I remember in bible study in 9th grade, it starts with an A. It could be Arafat, I dunno. But it does start with an A.

turn the "f" to an "r"

@Hunchy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but u believe that dinosaurs were on that arcf? 🤨 C'mon. Everyone knows that dinosaurs died over 65 million years ago. Are you one of those ppl who believe that the Earth is 6000 years old? I though we chased away all those kinds of people from here. 😑

They didn't find something of closer mass than snow...it was an object which you can see sort of at this website:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38220

Yes, scientists change their theories...meaning they don't know what the hell they are always talking about...whereas if the Bible is real...its the Book of God...it wouldn't change you dude...you don't know what your talking about...as for the Shroud of Turrin, how the hell, if not forged that is, would the image of a man get on that cloth? On both sides? Exactly scientists cannot prove EXACTLY when it dates back to. That's what I'm saying...that they're not always right....back in the middle ages, how could someone fake that? They said they didn't even know what they would have used with extensive studying of it...its not a detailed ink drawing or anything of such...they said...I NEVER said scientists never guess and checked...I said they guess and make theories based around the evidence they find...don't twist my words around.

"dude, its mount sinai not arafat. know your Bible!"

Your a dumb shit for accusing me and being wrong...its Mount Ararat...I KNOW my Bible. Mount Sinai was a different imporant mountain...I think were Moses got the Ten Commandments from God. And Yasser Arafat was born AFTER the mountain was named...and I mispelled Arafat with an f instead of an r...It's called an accident...how stupid are some of you people, seriously? I said the dinosaurs could have been on the ark as a possibility...it wasn't something I really thought...Chill some of you....everyone knows that the earth is 65 million years old? THAT'S AN OPINION...and one that evolutionists believe...it doesn't make it true...yes, I believe the earth is only a thousand something years old...so shoot me...that's my opinion...well, you aint chasing me away....So don't threaten me.

"yeah right hunchy, those 'scientists' are 'going to look at it more closely' for two years in a row now
they just found something of closer mass than snow (bad wording), doesn't mean it's the ark

and you just agreed with us hunchy... scientists don't always know but at least they make theories, refine them or toss them away. They do NOT keep the same theory for 2000 years without changing one letter like religion does

and about the shroud... it depends, some claim it's from roman times, others from the middle ages as it presumably is, there were quite some good forgers at that point in time
it having a face and some marks of crucifixion and such does NOT make it jesus already, it makes it an image of someone with such marks and that's the furthest you can go

oh and now all of a sudden you agree with the dating scientists use?"

Originally posted by hunchy
They didn't find something of closer mass than snow...it was an object which you can see sort of at this website:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38220

Yes, scientists change their theories...meaning they don't know what the hell they are always talking about...whereas if the Bible is real...its the Book of God...it wouldn't change you dude...you don't know what your talking about...as for the Shroud of Turrin, how the hell, if not forged that is, would the image of a man get on that cloth? On both sides? Exactly scientists cannot prove EXACTLY when it dates back to. That's what I'm saying...that they're not always right....back in the middle ages, how could someone fake that? They said they didn't even know what they would have used with extensive studying of it...its not a detailed ink drawing or anything of such...they said...I NEVER said scientists never guess and checked...I said they guess and make theories based around the evidence they find...don't twist my words around.

"dude, its mount sinai not arafat. know your Bible!"

Your a dumb shit for accusing me and being wrong...its Mount Ararat...I KNOW my Bible. Mount Sinai was a different imporant mountain...I think were Moses got the Ten Commandments from God. And Yasser Arafat was born AFTER the mountain was named...and I mispelled Arafat with an f instead of an r...It's called an accident...how stupid are some of you people, seriously? I said the dinosaurs could have been on the ark as a possibility...it wasn't something I really thought...Chill some of you....everyone knows that the earth is 65 million years old? THAT'S AN OPINION...and one that evolutionists believe...it doesn't make it true...yes, I believe the earth is only a thousand something years old...so shoot me...that's my opinion...well, you aint chasing me away....So don't threaten me.

That could be ANYTHING. It's a little brown spot in the glacier. How anybody can come to the conclusion with no proof that this is Noah's Arc, or even that Mt. Ararat is the same Mt. Ararat that was in the Bible is beyond me. "oh my GOD! A little brown spot! It has to be Noah's Arc, since that's the only POSSIBLE thing a shape that vaguely resembles a large wooden object could be!" My post about Yasser Arafat was called "sarcasm".

Earth is not 65 million years old, that's when dinosaurs died out. Earth is estimated to be around 4 and a half billion years old. And it's not an "opinion", there is obvious proof for it. The first big one would be carbon dating--they've found fossils and such which were MUCH older than 6000 years. The other one is the fact that we can see light from stars which are 3 billion light years away... Which would be impossible if we were only 6000 years old.

Thing about the Bible is, though... It's NOT the word of god. It's an old book of fairy-tales that has been rewritten countless times to fit the political needs of various ancient leaders.

The scientific community agrees that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Only radical (or is it ultra-conversvitive?) creationist claim that the Earth is 6000 years old. Science has tons of evidence and proof. Creationists have the bible. If u can show conclusive evidence supported by credible scientists, I'll shut up. Until then, the claws are out and we're gonna rip u apart.

One a side note. Believe what you want. Just support what u believe, and don't force your beliefs on others

"Yes, scientists change their theories...meaning they don't know what the hell they are always talking about"

Wow, apparently you don't know shit about science. Scientist's don't change their theories because they, as you say, don't know what they're talking about. They change theories because new evidence comes up that doesn't always support their theory, meaning that they have to change it. But you see that? EVIDENCE. Religion has no evidence except a book that's fiction. Science is always changing. Religion doesn't.

*sharpens claws*

Dman, what a credible site you gave us![/sarcasm]
That site is a bible-thumping conservitive lying POS.

Hunchbak: IF the Bible is real. You aren't even sure, nor do you have any evidence to prove that it is.

Do you know what evidence is? I'm pretty sure you don't. Evidence is actual facts, facts that you can hear, see, taste, and touch for yourself. As a sceintist gets new concrete evidence, he has to change his previous theory accordingly. So every new theory a sceintist comes up with or changes, has some basis ON THIS PLANET.

Tpt> You don’t speak Danish! Well, “buh” on you…
Ok, seriously… 🙂
An actual translation to English doesn’t exist, as it’s the science-portal for the Danish Broadcast Corporation.
But the essential points being made against Jack Horner you can find here: http://www.gavinrymill.com/dinosaurs/rexscav/rex.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/trextrans.shtml

Basically Horner isn’t looking at T.rex with evolutionary goggles if you like. He’s not a zoologist, nor a palaeo-zoologist, he’s a palaeontologist – a branch of geology. And he’s media-hungry as well. Of course as story as “biggest predator ever was a scavenger” is going to attract attention.
Have a look and decide for yourself.

Afro Cheese> Oh, the world being round was accepted long before Columbus came about. The Europeans were perhaps a little slow in getting it, but we don’t have monopoly on science 😉
Don’t be fooled by the fact, that most scientific discoveries are attributed to “white men.”
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm
The idea that the Earth circled the sun wasn’t invented by Copernikus for instance. Arabic and Chinese scholars suggested as much far earlier. But during the Renaissance European scholars started digging in old Greek and Roman texts and started to import knowledge from the East.

The Vikings did land in what’s now Canada. Early European settlers met native Americans with blue eyes 🙂 It wasn’t about sharing or not… The Nordic people just didn’t find it odd that there was more land beyond the sea.

MC Mike> But see… You’re one of the sane religious people, who view your religion as a guide or a tool to life. Not as a competitor to science or something to be taken literally.

Shroud of Turin is a fake: http://skepdic.com/shroud.html
Apparently, the first historical mention of the shroud as the "shroud of Turin" is in the late 16th century when the shroud was brought to the cathedral in that city, though it allegedly was discovered in Turkey during one of the so-called "Holy" Crusades in the so-called "Middle" Ages. In 1988, the Vatican allowed the shroud to be dated by three independent sources--Oxford University, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology--and each of them dated the cloth as originating in medieval times, around 1350.
So.. nahnah!

”Yes, scientists change their theories...meaning they don't know what the hell they are always talking about.”
😆
So, the computer you’re sitting as was pure luck? The airplanes flying over your head was an accident? Electricity just a good chancy play?
Seriously, kiddo… Go back to school.
”you don't know what your talking about” Oh… pfrrrr hahahahahahha… as opposed to YOU, of course? Right… 🤣
” Yasser Arafat was born AFTER the mountain was named...” No shit, Sherlock?? 😄
” I said the dinosaurs could have been on the ark as a possibility...it wasn't something I really thought.” Noooooo… really?
” everyone knows that the earth is 65 million years old?” (Dies laughing) Earth is 4,5 BILLION years old, kiddo. Back to school – shooh…

There is such a thing as geography...and it is in fact the very same mountain and described in the bible...and that was a crappy satellite photo...there was an expedition of people that went there before and looked at it...and it was a wooden object...but now they're going back to look for more evidence. As for how old the Earth is, that is NOT proven...its what evolutionists believe...stop trying to push your opinion on me and others...The bible an old book of fairy tales? Well, if you believe in the bible...it is not fairy tales, but the word of god...and it has been translated...not changed once....you don't know what the **** your talking about so stop while your not ahead. The Bible is for you to believe or not...I never said you should believe it...There are so many things that point to the Bible having many facts...all the locations and times and people are correct...and as for the stories themselves, I could mention many pieces of evidence that prove things...such as the location of stars when Jesus was born, the Earth being flooded, etc, etc...but none of it you would believe...You either believe the Bible or you don't. I don't really care whether you do or not. I'm not trying to force my opinion on you...but it seems, you are trying to force yours on me. I don't believe in evolution like some of you do, and that's that. I am also alone on this web page fighting for what I believe, where there are many of you...and again, this subject as well as the abortion subject are going in circles...Even I am repeating myself, as well as others...your saying the bible has no proof because its "an old fairy tale book" which is bullshit...and your saying that earth is billions of years old...just because scientists toss around theories and numbers as if they know what they're talking about and don't. I have said my say in this matter...and it going nowhere...You know where I stand...I know where you stand...You don't convince me, I dont' convince you...so later.

"That could be ANYTHING. It's a little brown spot in the glacier. How anybody can come to the conclusion with no proof that this is Noah's Arc, or even that Mt. Ararat is the same Mt. Ararat that was in the Bible is beyond me. "oh my GOD! A little brown spot! It has to be Noah's Arc, since that's the only POSSIBLE thing a shape that vaguely resembles a large wooden object could be!" My post about Yasser Arafat was called "sarcasm".

Earth is not 65 million years old, that's when dinosaurs died out. Earth is estimated to be around 4 and a half billion years old. And it's not an "opinion", there is obvious proof for it. The first big one would be carbon dating--they've found fossils and such which were MUCH older than 6000 years. The other one is the fact that we can see light from stars which are 3 billion light years away... Which would be impossible if we were only 6000 years old.

Thing about the Bible is, though... It's NOT the word of god. It's an old book of fairy-tales that has been rewritten countless times to fit the political needs of various ancient leaders."

As for how old the Earth is, that is NOT proven...its what evolutionists believe...stop trying to push your opinion on me and others

Hunchy, you have the right to believe or not believe in the theory of evolution. My teacher even pointed out that while there is a lot of evidence supporting it, there is also evidence against it. I do respect your opinion and I do think you know plenty about religion. But I think that maybe you should do a little more research on evolution before you make your decision because the way you talk about it makes it sound like some random theory thrown out there with no evidence.

However, I hate to burst your bubble, but the earth is billions of years old and that has nothing to do with evolution. That isn't a theory it's a scientific fact. I took bible study with an open mind, and made my decision on what I thought about the bible. I am not telling you what to do, I'm just suggesting maybe you should read a book on evolution or something. Then at least when you argue against it you can use scientific facts against it and not religious philosophies. That's all I wanted to say I guess.

Afro Cheese, that was well said. Though, a little too soft in my opinion.

Eh... I try to be as polite as possible on these forums. Since I have time to think out what I want to say, I try not to sound like an ass. I'm not as well spoken and polite in real life. I wish I was.

Maybe because he respects me, which I appreciate. But I would please like to know where this "proof" is about how old the earth is. Where does it come from? And I have said that I believe in evolution to an extent...just not that we evolved from something else...but that we do adapt to our environment and make changes...just not physical changes in appearance.

Originally posted by hunchy
There is such a thing as geography...and it is in fact the very same mountain and described in the bible...and that was a crappy satellite photo...there was an expedition of people that went there before and looked at it...and it was a wooden object...but now they're going back to look for more evidence. As for how old the Earth is, that is NOT proven...its what evolutionists believe...stop trying to push your opinion on me and others...The bible an old book of fairy tales? Well, if you believe in the bible...it is not fairy tales, but the word of god...and it has been translated...not changed once....you don't know what the **** your talking about so stop while your not ahead. The Bible is for you to believe or not...I never said you should believe it...There are so many things that point to the Bible having many facts...all the locations and times and people are correct...and as for the stories themselves, I could mention many pieces of evidence that prove things...such as the location of stars when Jesus was born, the Earth being flooded, etc, etc...but none of it you would believe...You either believe the Bible or you don't. I don't really care whether you do or not. I'm not trying to force my opinion on you...but it seems, you are trying to force yours on me. I don't believe in evolution like some of you do, and that's that. I am also alone on this web page fighting for what I believe, where there are many of you...and again, this subject as well as the abortion subject are going in circles...Even I am repeating myself, as well as others...your saying the bible has no proof because its "an old fairy tale book" which is bullshit...and your saying that earth is billions of years old...just because scientists toss around theories and numbers as if they know what they're talking about and don't. I have said my say in this matter...and it going nowhere...You know where I stand...I know where you stand...You don't convince me, I dont' convince you...so later.

"That could be ANYTHING. It's a little brown spot in the glacier. How anybody can come to the conclusion with no proof that this is Noah's Arc, or even that Mt. Ararat is the same Mt. Ararat that was in the Bible is beyond me. "oh my GOD! A little brown spot! It has to be Noah's Arc, since that's the only POSSIBLE thing a shape that vaguely resembles a large wooden object could be!" My post about Yasser Arafat was called "sarcasm".

Earth is not 65 million years old, that's when dinosaurs died out. Earth is estimated to be around 4 and a half billion years old. And it's not an "opinion", there is obvious proof for it. The first big one would be carbon dating--they've found fossils and such which were MUCH older than 6000 years. The other one is the fact that we can see light from stars which are 3 billion light years away... Which would be impossible if we were only 6000 years old.

Thing about the Bible is, though... It's NOT the word of god. It's an old book of fairy-tales that has been rewritten countless times to fit the political needs of various ancient leaders."

Ehrm, yeah, actually, the Bible HAS been changed. Most Christians know that. I'm not denying that it has some basis in fact, but saying the entire Bible is true because it mentions real people and places is like saying Miss Muffet exists because curds and whey do. The major re-writing of the Bible occured during the later years of the Roman Empire. Back then, Christianity was totally different from what we think of today. There wasn't really any one "Bible", there were 80 some separate gospels, all of which were based at least losely on fact. Most people didn't think of Jesus as the Messiah, either. He was more like a Buddha... Just a really smart guy with some good advice on how to live life. So, in the Roman Empire, Christianity was not a very organized affair. Then, along came Constantine and basically founded the religion we know today. He looked through all the existing gospels, picked some he liked, and trashed all the others. Remember, now, most of the gospels at this time didn't talk about Jesus like a godly type of fellow... A few did, and these were the ones he picked. He also edited a good bit of both the Old and New Testaments to fit his political needs. One of which was that he wanted to ensure men kept the seat of power... None of the sexist things that now exist in the Bible were there before Constantine. That's why early Judaism was so different, too--they believed women were partially sacred like a lot of pagan religions. So, long story short, the Bible, even if it was at one time the word of god, no longer is. There is no possible way it is the word of god, unless you think Constantine was the second coming of the messiah.