for all those people who look to the bible as the "truth", the bible is a book, a history, an account. non of the entries in it are actually "written" by God. No one was around when "creation" supposedly took place, and unless those dinosaur fossils were put there by as a joke by God...well u can see where that one leads. I, personally am a christian, and while I take the bible to be very important to me i now that it is not meant to be taken literally, it may contain words that i believe to be from Jesus and God yet I know it was actually written by men, fallible and even now largely ignorant of life's mysteries. The Bible twists and turns and contradicts itself to prove this point. the bible often says many things that were relevant at the time. Jews not eating pigs for example - pigs carried many diseases and were unsafe to eat, circumcision was necessary because infections were less likely involving hygiene. For me God is a guide, I believe God had a hand in evolution, i don't know how much but a hand none the less, but remember that noone can really know what this "hand" involves or how He works. I feel ashamed for those who take the bible as "the complete and absolute no denying it word of god" and who give christians a bad name, and i am thankful to those who respect the fact it is often "super right wing conservative" christians who do this. i think if these people actually studied the bible properly they would find a better way of incorperating Jesus' teachings into their lives (by the way i have no disrespect to other religions that teach love). evolution is a theory that is pretty much proven by scientific fact, but whether a divine influence had a hand can be left to the individual. If you have read this thank you and peace
evolution is a theory that is pretty much proven by scientific fact, but whether a divine influence had a hand can be left to the individual.
Have you ever studied the theory of evolution? It's not just "Well, life came to be and it changed over time until what we have today,"; it's a whole, complex cycle involving a gradual process of animals evolving from protists. And the endosymbiotic theory (which I find harder to believe than the existence of God).
So? Just because it's incredibly complex, all of a sudden that means there's no proof? Since when did we have to be able to explain something in a single sentance to make it true?
For example, all living things we know of are made of cells. Nobody in their right mind can deny this. Yet, a cell is unbelievably complex, especially for something so tiny. I can summarize basically what a cell is by saying something like, "a cell is a microscopic piece of a living thing that all living organisms are made up of," but it won't give you a very good understanding of a cell. The same holds true with evolution. You can summarize the general idea in a sentance, but it won't give you a complete understanding of it.
Basically, you can't hear the "summary," then get bored with the in-depth version and suddenly abandon ship because you're too lazy to think about it, or whatever.
So? Just because it's incredibly complex, all of a sudden that means there's no proof? Since when did we have to be able to explain something in a single sentance to make it true?
Who said there was no proof?
Basically, you can't hear the "summary," then get bored with the in-depth version and suddenly abandon ship because you're too lazy to think about it, or whatever.
Now, now, children, let's be nice and not call people lazy...it's rather rude and we're trying to keep ourselves in check and be nice to others...we're trying veeeeery hard, too...
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I can summarize basically what a cell is by saying something like, "a cell is a microscopic piece of a living thing that all living organisms are made up of," but it won't give you a very good understanding of a cell. The same holds true with evolution. You can summarize the general idea in a sentance, but it won't give you a complete understanding of it.
We don't understand...what ARE you talking about? We already said we read about the whole process of evolution. We just said we didn't think that the summary we gave was very good. Are you contradicting us or reinforcing what we said?
(This is when I have started to fall away from the bounds of reality.)
That is great that they are banning that from GA School.I mean if they want to teach evolution that is fine.But they can't really say it is a fact because no one knows.
So I think schools should teach about both creation and Evolution to make it fair.I am not saying that any of them is right but it is wrong to force this as the truth to kids.
When people are not sure them selve!JM
I'm sticking by it by saying that I don't believe in macroevolution, but it IS good to learn. It is accepted by many scientists, and you will continue to hear more about it. You don't have to believe it, and, if you really want to, study it and find its weaknesses and argue it to death with someone who cares. 🙂
Feceman> “the theory of evolution doesn't seem that much harder to believe than that of an intelligent Creator.”
Ah, but you see… The scientific of evolution is backed up by evidence. The myth of Creation has zero evidence in it’s support.
So it’s not a matter of belief.
As Darth Revans said: Go to ANY Creationist site that claims to offer proof of Creationism. And find me ONE bit of evidence. Not old anti-evolution gargle which has been refuted countless times here and elsewhere.
No – proof SUPPORTING creationism.
Then post it here, please.
After 112 pages there has been none.
“It is no more of a proven fact than creationism is or the Greek gods.” Go surf through this thread. You’ll find all the proof and evidence you need, more than once. If you
BTW: Does your magazine sport articles by any of these people http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/icr-deg.htm ?
Oh, and if you want to argue, take this test: http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/cre-test.htm
Acoates22> (Try putting some linebreaks in there, please. It’ll make your posts easier to read).
Please do not think that this thread is out to “bash” Christians. We’re dealing with hard-core Creationists, who want to turn American schools back to the middle-ages and teach an unfounded hypothesis on the same basis as a scientific theory.
This is the wrong road. We should NOT teach our kids to believe stuff without proof.
Arachnoidfreak> Why not?
yup omega you're right there is no proff of God, not what you want to see do you really think if you could feel the concept of a god do you think proof of god can just be snached up. "Hey i found this pice of gods leg lets disect it and go tell everyone". No you wont find tangible proof like all the proof that supports your sciencefic field of expertise. Call me ignorant if you want or not it does not matter, maybe i dont have all the answers but thats where my strength lies you believe because you can see and feel, me i can wait and one day weather you or me is right at least i can either live or die in peace knowing that i have my answer. The real question is could you live with it if you were wrong.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Who said there was no proof?Now, now, children, let's be nice and not call people lazy...it's rather rude and we're trying to keep ourselves in check and be nice to others...we're trying veeeeery hard, too...
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We don't understand...what ARE you talking about? We already said we read about the whole process of evolution. We just said we didn't think that the summary we gave was very good. Are you contradicting us or reinforcing what we said?
(This is when I have started to fall away from the bounds of reality.)
WTF? You acted in your post as if evolution wasn't true because it was so complex. Forgive me if I misunderstood, but if you go back and read it, that really is what it sounded like.
Predator> Please tell me how believing something that's such a blatant load of crap, blindly, until your death, is a "strength?"
Originally posted by FeceMan
Sorry, the (not all, but some) "proof" for evolution has been refuted and I simply cannot buy the endosymbiotic theory--I just see it as being too unlikely.
WTF? You acted in your post as if evolution wasn't true because it was so complex. Forgive me if I misunderstood, but if you go back and read it, that really is what it sounded like.
Ah. Well, that explains the confusion. I was just telling whomever that evolution is a lot more in-depth than people would believe.
FeceMan > Well, yeah, of course evolution is a lot more complex than most people realize; science is very complex. So some evidence for evolution has been refuted, so what? It happens to every major scientific theory. Which is why I was taught that in science you don't say something has been proven or disproven; you say that it is supported or not supported by evidence. And evolution happens to have an overwhelming amount of evidence in its favor. Creationism, however, has NO evidence to back it up whatsoever, besides the Bible, which is at best a work of fiction.
Predator > I fail to see how blind belief without evidence is a strength...