evolution

Qubit> No, if you’re religious you can accept the Big Bang as well (and that is not a guess or hypothesis. We do have proof of the Big Bang. Look up Cosmic Microwave Background on google). You can say, “God made Big Bang” if you want.
But no one can answer a question like “Why?” “Why did God wait forever?” etc. Also, claiming some divinity created the Universe is NOT NECESSARY. We can’t explain every detail about the Big Bang yet, but that is because we still do not understand every aspect of gravity (basically how it works on very very small scales).

If science had “no real proof of anything” how come we have space-crafts, lasers, aspirin, Moon-landings etc. etc etc?? Technology is based on science and if science couldn’t prove anything, you’d not sit by that computer of yours claming science has no proof 😉

“Can't you accept that perhaps the big bang was divinely induced, but God chose to allow things to develop on their own since then?”
Can’t you accept that perhaps the Big Bang simply happened and then evolved after that without any higher power?

”If you insist on taking a literal interpretation of the Bible, then your version of God didn't expect very much from you, did He?”
Spoken like a person too intelligent to take the Bible literally, but unable to let go. How do YOU know that the Bible isn’t to be taken literally and your version of God is the right one?

Wow...
That CMB stuff is crazy...

Evolution is something to be honored, is maybe for you a nuture class, is maybe for them a simple word, is for me the next step to human perfection.

Tpt> Indeed... But that's proof of the Big Bang right there in our cosmic backyard!
Isn't it amazing to think about? That this gigantic explosion of energi some 13,7 billion years ago was so huge and hot, that we can still "hear" it all over the Universe?

(Marvels)

Nutso....

i don't belive in the bigbang.

There is proof...
Do what TO said...

i dont believe in the big bang either and i dont know if this makes sense to anyone but i think thinking that its either evolution or god are the only ways is just being narrow minded, to me at least one doesn't makes sense without the other.

Why can't people use reason like they did in that little Enlightenment thingy?

because the one in France was anti-religion and some don't like that?

"I don't believe in the Big Bamg."
???
I don't give a flying ....!
You don't believe in gravity either, maybe? Or that airplanes can fly?
Refusing to accept a thing in the face of facts is childish denial... And I have better things to do with my time than to play that game.

Originally posted by The Omega
"I don't believe in the Big Bamg."
???
I don't give a flying ....!
You don't believe in gravity either, maybe? Or that airplanes can fly?
Refusing to accept a thing in the face of facts is childish denial... And I have better things to do with my time than to play that game.

Question: What was before the Big Bang and how did it get there?

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Question: What was before the Big Bang and how did it get there?

No Evolutionist will ever give you a direct answer on that one...They also never directly answer the question..Where did matter come from? The only answers I've ever heard regarding these types of questions are the typical.."its always existed"...speal..which is a very theological belief..

There's also the fantastical theory of this universe being created after the destruction of another one...which again..still fails to answer the question...how was THAT universe created...

Well, there is alot of proof that the big bang occurred, but it is very hard to theorise what happened before. It is possible another universe existed, and instead of expanding was sucked into the super dense singularity that exploded as the Big Bang. Or maybe the matter simply appeared at that point (yes, I know about the Law of Conservation making that difficult to accept) but once again there are suggestions that it involves the use of quantum physics which shows the moment of atoms... (very rusty on quantum physics)

Originally posted by whobdamandog
No Evolutionist will ever give you a direct answer on that one...They also never directly answer the question..Where did matter come from? The only answers I've ever heard regarding these types of questions are the typical.."its always existed"...speal..which is a very theological belief..

There's also the fantastical theory of this universe being created after the destruction of another one...which again..still fails to answer the question...how was THAT universe created...

Well, the question is more directed toward Omega, but you second point is the question I would ask if that was how it was answered. Specifically, I want to know how the catalyst of the Big Bang came to be. If it's a another universe imploding, then where did that other universe come from and so on.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well, there is alot of proof that the big bang occurred, but it is very hard to theorise what happened before. It is possible another universe existed, and instead of expanding was sucked into the super dense singularity that exploded as the Big Bang. Or maybe the matter simply appeared at that point (yes, I know about the Law of Conservation making that difficult to accept) but once again there are suggestions that it involves the use of quantum physics which shows the moment of atoms... (very rusty on quantum physics)

I could ask questions all day with this stuff But where did the atoms come from?

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Question: What was before the Big Bang and how did it get there?

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Question: What was before the Big Bang and how did it get there?

Question: What was before god(s) and how did it get there?

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Thats been said before in this thread...
If you look for it..
ohh a while back too...

Essentially it’s the same as +1-1=0 that is matter and anti-matter equals nothing, that is how it was possible to created it out of nothing.
A slight variance in this amount right after Big Bang, effected the process so we were left with more matter THAN anti-matter.

How do YOU know it will not be proven? There is proof of Big Bang (see the evidence I’ve already listed).
You must also understand the following: Time itself started at the moment of Big Bang. There was no time before Big Bang. If you wait long enough the improbable happens. If you wait forever the impossible happens. Now remove the time-factor in the above.
Science does NOT rely on BELIEF.

The Big Bang left a 3 Kelvin microwave echo behind for us to study and test. Albert Einsteins general theory of relativity – when extrapolated backwards – predicts a beginning event of the Universe – a beginning singularity.
As for the creation of matter: THAT happens all the time. Find a web-page and read about particle-antiparticle creation and annihilation. The actual curvature of space creates matter.

Yes, and that doesn't make much sense to me. -1+1=0? Has this ever been observed in nature? If so, where? If there was an imbalance, what caused this imbalance? How was ani-matter and matter created? I mean, it has to has a starting point, right?

Yes, I know Omega is a physicist, but I'd like to hear it in layman's terms so, I might possibly understand it without taking 20 years of quantum physics. I didn't read all 200+ pages of this thread, but I have the gist of the conversation. I'd like to learn more from someone who knows what they are talking about.

Originally posted by MC Mike
Question: What was before god(s) and how did it get there?

Well, a creationist might say God always was. I really don't think science can answer that question, since I would figure looking to the center of the universe, the farthest back we could see is the Big Bang.