evolution

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
[B]Essentially it’s the same as +1-1=0 that is matter and anti-matter equals nothing, that is how it was possible to created it out of nothing.
A slight variance in this amount right after Big Bang, effected the process so we were left with more matter THAN anti-matter.

How do YOU know it will not be proven? There is proof of Big Bang (see the evidence I’ve already listed).
You must also understand the following: Time itself started at the moment of Big Bang. There was no time before Big Bang. If you wait long enough the improbable happens. If you wait forever the impossible happens. Now remove the time-factor in the above.
Science does NOT rely on BELIEF.

The Big Bang left a 3 Kelvin microwave echo behind for us to study and test. Albert Einsteins general theory of relativity – when extrapolated backwards – predicts a beginning event of the Universe – a beginning singularity.
As for the creation of matter: THAT happens all the time. Find a web-page and read about particle-antiparticle creation and annihilation. The actual curvature of space creates matter.

Yes, and that doesn't make much sense to me. -1+1=0? Has this ever been observed in nature? If so, where? If there was an imbalance, what caused this imbalance? How was ani-matter and matter created? I mean, it has to has a starting point, right?

Yes, I know Omega is a physicist, but I'd like to hear it in layman's terms so, I might possibly understand it without taking 20 years of quantum physics. I didn't read all 200+ pages of this thread, but I have the gist of the conversation. I'd like to learn more from someone who knows what they are talking about. [/B]

I think that was in layman's terms... It was a reasonably simple way of explaining something very complicated.

This:
"You must also understand the following: Time itself started at the moment of Big Bang. There was no time before Big Bang. If you wait long enough the improbable happens. If you wait forever the impossible happens. Now remove the time-factor in the above."

...Makes perfect sense to me. I know very little about quantum physics. My understanding is that while there is proof of the Big Bang, there is no proven answer to the question of what came before it. There are ideas, but the fact that it's not known yet doesn't nullify the rest of the theory. Remember that there was a time when people thought the Sun revolved around the Earth... Yeah, scientists learn things.

Oh, and there aren't 200 pages in the thread.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I think that was in layman's terms... It was a reasonably simple way of explaining something very complicated.

This:
"You must also understand the following: Time itself started at the moment of Big Bang. There was no time before Big Bang. If you wait long enough the improbable happens. If you wait forever the impossible happens. Now remove the time-factor in the above."

...Makes perfect sense to me. I know very little about quantum physics. My understanding is that while there is proof of the Big Bang, there is no proven answer to the question of what came before it. There are ideas, but the fact that it's not known yet doesn't nullify the rest of the theory. Remember that there was a time when people thought the Sun revolved around the Earth... Yeah, scientists learn things.

Oh, and there aren't 200 pages in the thread.

Sorry, I meant 100+.

I'm sorry, but that sounds alot like, "we just don't know." Omega seems so sure of herself, and I'd like to hear it explained from her perspective.

Originally posted by MC Mike
Question: What was before god(s) and how did it get there?

Oswald answered that question..

Most Creationists believe "God always was"...
Most Evolutionists believe "Matter always was"

See the correlation..both beliefs are theological..and are only supported only by faith...

And don't let an Evolutionist tell you that "logical" inference points out to matter always existing/or spontaneous generation..Science has shown both of these theories to be invalid...

I can only hope one day a truly satisfying answer emerges. Of course knowing my luck it will be long after I am gone.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Oswald answered that question..

Most Creationists believe "God always was"...
Most Evolutionists believe "Matter always was"

See the correlation..both beliefs are theological..and are only supported only by faith...

And don't let an Evolutionist tell you that "logical" inference points out to matter always existing/or spontaneous generation..Science has shown both of these theories to be invalid...

Dont people search for threads anymore?

This is the evolution thread! everyone with an argument against evolution post here! everything ever brought up against evolution is answered here, stop making those damn threads clogging up the religion forums with questions already asked an answered.

All other arguments have been torn apart and I'm sure yours will recieve the same treatment.

Evolution can be confusing though as how it completely goes against religion.

Maybe it would be better tought in higher grade levels or maybe in college as a choice.

is it comprehensible.....

I don't see the sense in that.

Because a handful of people might be confused because it goes against a religion that not everyone believes in, it shouldn't be taught?

Let's get rid of math because that confuses people, too. Spelling and grammar may as well go too, while we're at it.

Originally posted by Lana
I don't see the sense in that.

Because a handful of people might be confused because it goes against a religion that not everyone believes in, it shouldn't be taught?

Let's get rid of math because that confuses people, too. Spelling and grammar may as well go too, while we're at it.

and I didn't say it shouldn't be taught.

keep up.

is it comprehensible.....

all religions and beleifs should be taught, let people be entitled to their choice rather than have some crap rammed into their heads

i think it should be tough at a later date in one's school career.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I think it's really stupid that Georgia banned teaching about evolution in school, the fact is, there is a ton of stuff in the natural world that can't be explained without evolution

What do y'all think about it

I agree with you. When I was in Primary School, we were taught about how God created the world. When we went to High School, we were taught about evolution. This pissed me off because a lot of kids were confused, having been taught one thing for 6 years, then being taught something different. 🙄

I think evolution should be taught in all schools. I think that the only schools that should be teaching students about the God creating the world theory should be religious schools. Religion has no place in State Schools. You want your child to be taught about God, send them to a religious school, not a State school.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Evolution can be confusing though as how it completely goes against religion.

Maybe it would be better tought in higher grade levels or maybe in college as a choice.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by darth_royke
all religions and beleifs should be taught, let people be entitled to their choice rather than have some crap rammed into their heads

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
i think it should be tough at a later date in one's school career.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
i think it should be tough at a later date in one's school career.

is it comprehensible.....

No, you think it should be taught only after the mental poison of religion has infected the mind and people have to view the world through the jaded lenses of rose coloured glasses.

You can't understand, but organized religion has been forced on the masses to hinder the natural progress of the human species. Read up on it and it's effects on society. All it does is hinder the advancment of a species that was so stupid as to have dreamed it up in the first place. And, I might add that this is coming from a person who believes in a "god".

Originally posted by darth_royke
all religions and beleifs should be taught, let people be entitled to their choice rather than have some crap rammed into their heads

Isn't that what elective religious studies are in high school/secondary school/senior school or whatever? People do have the choice to study it - however it's not compulsory, and nor do I think it should be. It should be studied in ones own time, be it in a religious studies class, or at home or the local Church, Mosque, temple or whatever.

There are a limited number of school hours available in which to provide students with a broad range of subjects and knowledge, and to have religion biting into such time in seniors years, taking away from more useful and dare I say factual fields (well, I guess I do dare) like evolution in biology/science would be wrong.

Now I'm not saying schools should be forced to discontinue scripture classes from kindergarden to year 3 - that's their decision. But I think beyond that it is problematic to be expecting schools to find a way to fit it in around increasingly intensive studies.

Whoooooo three paragraphs........ 😛

The problem I had with trying to meld evolution with creation is that Adam and Eve become monkeys....I had a hard time with that... 😑

Originally posted by Eis
Wow, seriously, wow. Your stupidity amazes me.

and it's my opinion. Not everybody is going to think the way you think. So how about a little more respect and maturity on your part next time.

I simply saw the thread title and wanted to come in and say a few words on what I THOUGHT about it. I didn't come in here putting nobody down or telling anybody they were wrong. Nor should you. I didn't come on this thread necessarily for you anyway, so if you don't like/agree with what I said, simple bypass it and ignore it.

Threads are meant for people to come in and talk about the topic. That's what i did. I nor anybody else deserves to be harrassed just for doing what is meant to be done......(music starts playing)...........

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by debbiejo
Whoooooo three paragraphs........ 😛

The problem I had with trying to meld evolution with creation is that Adam and Eve become monkeys....I had a hard time with that... 😑

Devolving eh? Left the garden of Eden, evolved into monkeys, then back into humans.... or maybe we should consider the monkeys devolving into humans. I doubt they would be proud of their distant hairless relatives.

Interesting side note, Australian scientists have discovered a remote bit of jungle in Indonesian Papua that they have called a scientific garden of Eden - it contains some plants, animals and birds long thought extinct, new unknown animals, but just as importantly new forms of existing animals including a variation of the echidna, which is quite significant, apparently, in evolutionary terms.

What with the echidna one of only two species that fit into the monotreme family (the platypus being the other.)

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Evolution can be confusing though as how it completely goes against religion.

Maybe it would be better tought in higher grade levels or maybe in college as a choice.

Religion goes completely against evolution, so it is hard to know which to teach.

I agree with your second statement, when kids are old enough to decide what they believe, they should be free to choose to be taught what they believe.