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I don't follow the arguement here, but I just spotted the last few posts...

Saying Jezus didn't exist ... that's bad. He did, that much is clear. The Romans who would never write about a non-existing troublemaker reported about him (not to an extend but they gave a name and a few of the things he did), the jews (not sure if that's the way to address them) mentioned him, why mention someone who had revolutionary ideas at that time that to them could form a problem?
They both did cause he was real and not made up.
So, there was A jezus, but that does in no way mean he was the son of a god

and link, if you look some stuff up, you'll find out that the church themselves have acknowledged that the count was off a few years when they were having fun counting in the dark ages

and in 1 AD...did the people at the time consider it 1 AD?

The church set up the year 0, it was a monk called Dionysius Exiguus (lived around 500 ++ AD)who was asked by Pope John I to set out the dates for Easter.

Dionysius Exiguus declared Jesus was born,, on December 25 in the Roman year 753 and the new year started with January 1, 754(Roman Year) He later on called 754 for year 1 anno domini.(He chose the year in which Rome had been founded and determined, from the evidence known to him, that Jesus had been born 753 years later.)

These were his arguments (ohh I love this 😆 )
-Dionysius Exiguus and his contemporaries claimed that God created the earth on march 25th and since they believed Jesus to be perfect he had to have been conceived on march 25th(what logic minds they had)which led to his birth 9 months later on december 25th

December 25 was a favourable choice. In around 270 bc the Roman Emperor Aurelian declared December 25 a civic holiday in celebration of the birth of Mithras, the sun god. By 336 Christians countered by celebrating the birth of Jesus, the son of God, on December 25.
The Romans accepted a mix of religions and that mixing led to a mix of images of The Sun god and Son of God . And this mixing is believed to be the origin of Jesus with a halo

A pope called Gregory "cleaned" up the calendar in 1582 which led to that the calender lost 11 days.
Gregory also synchronized the calender with the movement of the sun and i think it was that October 4 became October 15 and to avvoid further adjustment leap years was introduced.

However Dionysius Exiguus dating of JC birthday conflict with the gospels of Matthew which claims that Jesus was born while Herod was king, which means Jesus would have been born in year 4bc or before

Well i don't care to look it up...that's why I asked.

Thank you, you're information has been more than helpful Yerssot.

ahem...and Finti too!

twas my pleasure *nods*

The reason we switched was because of Jesus's death. Which ended the B.C. time period.

darn fint, and I was looking up the name of that geezer Dionysius 😖
good job!

Originally posted by Linkalicious
now i'm not trying to stick my nose in this argument because it's not my strong point, but What archealogical proof is there?

It's what the romans wrote it in there notes, it aired on the discovery channel and the history channel, other then that you got the bible and stuff, or you could just create a time machine and see for yourself 😱

I'm still laughing at Omegas claim of no evidence of Jesus existence.

And i to agree that this discussion will go no-where. Especially when one sides got masters degrees or whatever and i nearly got my high school diploma.

Linkalicious> Why is it the year 2004? First of all it’s not 2004 all over the world. Muslim countries have one count, Hindi and Buddhist countries another.

The Force> I’m not a mod here on the GDF, and if you have any proof of creationism just POST it! You said weeks ago you could do it in NO time – yet days and days and days have passed, and you’re yet to fulfil your promise.
Don’t be paranoid. It’s not about who is on whose side. It’s about offering proof for a stand-point.

Silver_Tears/Yerssot> Archaeological evidence or written evidence of what? Jesus? Where? Who? What?

Finti> Pure gold 😄

Raventheonly> Then tell me what evidence there is – while you’re laughing. Obviously it’s such an established fact you can dish out some proof Jesus existed – no problem. I’m waiting 😉
And proof is proof. No masters degree can change that.

Ok i'll agree that Jesus did exsist...but there's no possible way any of you will get me to believe he came back from the dead.

I totally agree with evrything in the Bible. If God could make the world in 7 days. Or if he could flood the earth. I think that his son could rise from the dead.

but what proof is there that he created earth in 7 days? i think it took millions if not billions of years for our world to grow vegetation and become a place that is inhabitable by different organisms. As for the flooding...maybe Earth just had a lot of water to begin with. Where is the proof that there was a great floor?

if those two facts can't be proven, then how can anyone prove the 3rd fact

I guess you're right. But sometimes you just have to have faith. (Man I probably sound like a cheesy romance movie or something)

Originally posted by Linkalicious
but what proof is there that he created earth in 7 days? i think it took millions if not billions of years for our world to grow vegetation and become a place that is inhabitable by different organisms. As for the flooding...maybe Earth just had a lot of water to begin with. Where is the proof that there was a great floor?

if those two facts can't be proven, then how can anyone prove the 3rd fact

Seven days is obviously a metaphor. The one thing that I agree with Omega about is that the universe is not 6000 years old. The event of creation described in the Bible or any other work did not take place over just 7 days, but millions and, perhaps, billions of years.

There are writings throughout ancient history about volcanic eruptions, floods, and meteor showers. Noah maybe fiction, but a great flood covering a large area is not just possible, but probable. You have to remember the earth was much smaller in the eyes of the people in those days.

If there is a God that came to earth as a human, why is it so hard to believe that he rose from the dead? Just because the Bible isn't completely accurate, why does it have to be completely false?

that's the thing...i don't believe God came to earth as a human. so that's why i don't believe he rose from the dead.

That's not holy...that's magic, and magic isn't real.

Originally posted by The Omega

Silver_Tears/Yerssot> Archaeological evidence or written evidence of what? Jesus? Where? Who? What?

This is where things get sticky. Jesus isn't a true translation from the Greek and Hebrew. I believe the man of Jesus likely existed and it can be proven because of census records and writings. There were probably a hundred people with the same name. On the Discovery Channel, there was a show about 'James, Brother of Jesus?' They determined that the tomb was fake, but from close to the same time period. Obviously, Jesus was (in)famous among some people. Proving Jesus existed is very simple. Proving he was the Son of God is impossible. What is the problem with taking the Bible as a metaphorical account of history?

oh and another question...how did that Moses dude actually turn the river red? i mean that's like a mad wicked amoount of food coloring...

Originally posted by Linkalicious
that's the thing...i don't believe God came to earth as a human. so that's why i don't believe he rose from the dead.

That's not holy...that's magic, and magic isn't real.

Hey, you can believe whatever you want. I won't ever tell you that you're wrong. I will freely admit that it's impossible to prove the existence of Christ as the Son of God. The only proof will come after death, and I sure as hell am not willing to find out now.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
oh and another question...how did that Moses dude actually turn the river red? i mean that's like a mad wicked amoount of food coloring...

😆

Either God did it for him... or it never happened. The exodus of slaves DID happen though.

i know that happened...but most of the bible is a far fetched fairytale. I'll take Aesops Fables over it any day. Slow and steady wins the races baby!