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The Omega> 😮 I dont really know, I watched a series awile ago called the son of god and it totally convinced my i think they found records like census things and im pretty sure they found a record of his crucifixtion -
I dont know whether i believe jesus is the son of God and i think we r all too young to know what we truley believe because i am forever changing my mind- but of course the bible aint gunna be 100% accurate especially on things like how long the earth exsisted for the people who wrote it thought the earth was flat they could only write about stuff they knew from their time period and include theorys somw of which where going to be based in fact.

wrong, the bible does talk about dinosaurs, in the book of Job. it talks about a saurapod, or behemoth and a Leviathin or a plesiosaur. it's all mention in Job and genesis, i.e. beasts of the field, "birds" or the air, "fish" of the sea.

And the mentioning of behmoth,is by many belived to be a word of Egyptian origin signifying "water ox." The description of the animal in the book of Job sounds very much like a hippopotamus.

Leviathan, well humans have believed and feared the monster of the sea, also a creature that pops up in different mythologies.
Can be all from a whale to a big ass octopuss

Raventheonly> So? Islam is based on Christianity, which is based on Judaism. What does THAT prove? And the ideals of Christianity did NOT weaken the Roman Empire. It was ALREADY weak, AND changed the teachings of the early Christians into Catholicism. When the Roman Empire stopped expanding, it’s economy, based as it was ON slavery, started to collapse.
That still doesn’t prove ANYTHING. I ask you again, if a sociological movement proves the Bible is true, AND when Islam was also a sociological movement, does that prove that the Koran is correct?

The Force> Huh? Are you now telling me, that the proof you promised me of Creation cannot be given, unless I believe as you do?? Then you’re going into a circular argument.
Creation is true because God exists, therefore Creation is true.
When this thread started, you said you could give me proof in NO time.

What about the Big Bang 13,7 billion years ago, and the formation of the Solar-system some 4,5 billion years ago do you think doesn’t make sense? With carbon-dating, geological dating, physics, chemistry and astronomy it makes a LOT more sense that that some divine being made everything 6000 years ago. If that happened, how can light from sources further away than 6000 light-years even reach us?

The Bible does NOT mention dinosaurs. Where does it say sauropod and plesiosaur? Book, chapter? Behemoths and Leviathans can mean whatever you want them to. Like DRAGONS, or other big animals that the people who wrote the Bible didn’t know about from far-away countries.

MCElite> Who made the series you watched? The records your mention about crucifixion: Who found them? Who’s verified their validity? Where were they found?
I’m not asking anyone to prove Jesus was the son of God. I’m asking for proof that this person EVER existed. I cannot believe that is so difficult.

I have absaloutly no idea (it was like three years ago) all i know is the program totally convinced me and there was definatly some documentation that had been discovered .... why would any one bother to fake them and ur probably gunna say psycho christians but if they where that fanatical then faking stuff would be undermining their belief ...
annnnnyway there was this really cool dragon thing found a while ago and i wondered if you guys had heard anything about it.... during the 2nd (possible 1st) world war sum german scientist dudes sent this tiny dragon skeleton in a jar of chemical preservative stuff to the english scientist dudes ..... (at the time english scientists where believed to be gods....) the english thought it was a trick to make them look stupid and threw it out but about a month ago this museum curator guy found it in his garage and now scientists dont now whether its proof dragons exsisted or not because it is soo detailed right down to the teeth and the scales they think it could really have been a dragon ...... its about 20 cm long - lizard like wiht wings ... they where going to do tests to see if it was authentic but they never published any results has anybody heard anything about it ?

Kaleanae>
You’ve read most of the Bible. So is the Earth and everything 6000 years old?
[/B][/QUOTE] I read the bible, yes, but I didn't say that the earth is 6000 years old 😖
I believe is more than 4.6 Billion years old
The oldest rocks found today are about 4.0 billion years old
Bacteria (anaerobic) appeared 3.5 billions years ago
Oxygen in atmosphere about 2.0 Billion years ago...

Really tired of trying to prove something based on faith, were in which the convictions of a person are based on believing an absolute word. How can we prove something that basically says "my word is law" Therefore this arguement is truly pointless and i'm wasting my energy.... along with (look below) 🙂
Either you believe and you'll find out, i'd rather have insurance in believing then in a totally pointless existence. Truly you might as well lay down and die right now then waist another second to truly accompilsh nothing....

Really tired of trying to prove something based on faith

Where in the Bible does it say the universe is only 6000 years old?

I’m not asking anyone to prove Jesus was the son of God. I’m asking for proof that this person EVER existed. I cannot believe that is so difficult.

Prove any non leader of the ancient world existed. 2000 years from now, nobody could prove that YOU existed. There is evidence that Jesus existed gathered from census records and writings of that time. He wasn't a governor or general, so he isn't that important to the Roman Empire. I don't know what you're looking for; a photograph, maybe? Tell me what you want, and I'll find it. But I guess that would be impossible because then I'd have to find it from sources that you would accept. It is an endless argument.

many people was named Jesus, that someone called Jesus was crucified might be so doesnt make him divine because of it.

Where in the Bible does it say the universe is only 6000 years old?

Where in the Bible does it say the universe is only 6000 years old?

Finti- The First Mormon, Joseph Smith, claims a slamander talked to him and dictated Jesus's adventures in early America. Not one thing he wrote could be corroborated. He even contradicted himself numerous times. Mormonism is a cult plain and simple. Even modern day Christian zealots admit that the universe is around 14 billion years old. I think that you forget that ancient "scientists" believed the earth revolved around the sun. Hell, until a few years ago, some scientists thought the universe was much younger.

many people was named Jesus, that someone called Jesus was crucified might be so doesnt make him divine because of it.

Nobody said that. If there was a Jesus that lived near Judea during the reign of Caesar Augustus, was crucified, and written about posthumously; the Bible is not completely false. Whether he is divine or not doesn't matter.

Originally posted by The Omega
Raventheonly> So? Islam is based on Christianity, which is based on Judaism. What does THAT prove? And the ideals of Christianity did NOT weaken the Roman Empire. It was ALREADY weak, AND changed the teachings of the early Christians into Catholicism. When the Roman Empire stopped expanding, it’s economy, based as it was ON slavery, started to collapse.
That still doesn’t prove ANYTHING. I ask you again, if a sociological movement proves the Bible is true, AND when Islam was also a sociological movement, does that prove that the Koran is correct?

The Force> Huh? Are you now telling me, that the proof you promised me of Creation cannot be given, unless I believe as you do?? Then you’re going into a circular argument.
Creation is true because God exists, therefore Creation is true.
When this thread started, you said you could give me proof in NO time.

What about the Big Bang 13,7 billion years ago, and the formation of the Solar-system some 4,5 billion years ago do you think doesn’t make sense? With carbon-dating, geological dating, physics, chemistry and astronomy it makes a LOT more sense that that some divine being made everything 6000 years ago. If that happened, how can light from sources further away than 6000 light-years even reach us?

The Bible does NOT mention dinosaurs. Where does it say sauropod and plesiosaur? Book, chapter? Behemoths and Leviathans can mean whatever you want them to. Like DRAGONS, or other big animals that the people who wrote the Bible didn’t know about from far-away countries.

MCElite> Who made the series you watched? The records your mention about crucifixion: Who found them? Who’s verified their validity? Where were they found?
I’m not asking anyone to prove Jesus was the son of God. I’m asking for proof that this person EVER existed. I cannot believe that is so difficult.

In the book of Job God shows Job 2 of the dinosaurs that He had created, if you want to know how we know that they are dinosaurs, it's because that's exactly as the Bible describes them.

Also with the light thing, when you go to Genesis it said God created light, therefore light was already in place.

And the reason i haven't given proof yet is because you havent given me permission to talk about why God has to exist. That's all i'm waiting for.

You asked for proof of the exsistance of jesus - census records and other stuff proved there was a guy called jesus born who followed the basic life story depicted in the bible adn was cruxified i cant believe ur saying that this doesnt prove jesus exsisted because these records dont prove him divine ..... you dont have to be proved divine to exsist and no ones going to know completely if jesus was divine until after they die and even then they may not know because the afterlife theory could be complete crap. And i agree that the bible aint completely false its true to the degree that science 2000 years ago could make it - like most greek myths where grounded in fact somewhere they just got screwed up in telling just as i believe parts of everyones religion has truth in it so to believe solely in one religion is stupid.

*applauds MCElite*

Originally posted by MCElite
You asked for proof of the exsistance of jesus - census records and other stuff proved there was a guy called jesus born who followed the basic life story depicted in the bible adn was cruxified i cant believe ur saying that this doesnt prove jesus exsisted because these records dont prove him divine ..... you dont have to be proved divine to exsist and no ones going to know completely if jesus was divine until after they die and even then they may not know because the afterlife theory could be complete crap. And i agree that the bible aint completely false its true to the degree that science 2000 years ago could make it - like most greek myths where grounded in fact somewhere they just got screwed up in telling just as i believe parts of everyones religion has truth in it so to believe solely in one religion is stupid.

Originally posted by Kaleanae
There are also records about the Earthquake after that cruxifition.

Contemporary records? What are they? Where were they found? Who studied them? Just saying they exist isn't helpful.

In the Bible, the Bible is like a history book, you find the interpretations of people in there as well as facts.

oh god... What the hell are we talking about now?

Originally posted by Kaleanae
In the Bible, the Bible is like a history book, you find the interpretations of people in there as well as facts.

The Bible is not a history book. It is a religious document. And I think you're engaging in circular reasoning:

How do I know that the Bible is historically accurate? Because the things it described happened.

How do I know that the things it described happened? Because the Bible says so.

Nope. It is real. Believe what you want, it isn't just "a religious document". It's a history book, and I'll be back later to prove my points.