evolution

Whoa, Omega, your comments at the end there about God beinbg evil are effectively Christianity bashing- that is over the line and was not useful to the debate.

Originally posted by DJMissPinkie
If god does exsist he wouldnt stop the war and sin and maiming and stuff in the world because then he would have taken away peoples free will and become a dictator, but the rest of what TheOmega said is true.

That he stopped that kind of things from happening's not the same as taking away people's free will. People could still try and the only thing he'd have to do would be to grab them by the neck and throw them all the way down where there's really hot. Might make him a dictator, but a very sympathetic one.
As such, I don't understand why he would create us with the urge to do all these things. Does seem slightly malicious.

Ush> Woaw! What? I’m not bashing ANYONE – I’m explaining why I’m an atheist and why I see no reason to worship a hypothetical divine being. I’m backing up my reasoning with logic. Since when is THAT bashing?

JDMissPinkie> But why give us free will, if we – God’s supposed children – are unable to use it responsible? Would you let your child play with matches before you knew it was aware of the dangers? We do not give our children “free will” until we know they’re mature enough.
And if they go against us we certainly don’t toss them out of the house and curse them…

However - I think what Ush was hinting at is, that this is supposed to be a thread about evolution and creationism...
Speaking of that - I am, for the second months now, waiting for the Force to honour his promise and show me proof of Creationism...

Makes you think, hm? 😉

Omega, you got that Anselmus PM?

Yers> Sure did. Send a reply, too... 🙂

didn't got one 😑

Yers> No? Well, there weren't THAT much to say anways. Anyone who claims to know what HUMANS are really thinking isn't worth my time...

(Taps fingers and waits PATIENTLY for the Force to prove Creationism for the second months in a row. I think I'll start posting his claims again soon so the new people will know what's going down)...

yeah, figured out as much

I always wanted to prove that I'm a god 😄

The point is simply that at the point people start giving out comments like 'God is evil', which is a fundamental attack on the Christian belief system, this thread has gone WAY past its original remit and into the realm of Religious debate which is specifically not allowed here.

Star Wars debate, or any film debate, is not illegal here, obviously.

So yes, thanks, Omega, staying focussed on the topic of the thread is appreciated.

Originally posted by jE¬KiLL¬HYDe
1. If, say, some great philosopher does someday discover the "ultimate truth" behind everything, or one thing, or whatever-- how does he know it's the ultimate truth if it's his job as a philosopher to question everything? From what I understand, the ultimate truth is something that can't be questioned-- it is ultimate. But if you can question everything, then you can question the ultimate truth. But-- if you can question it, the ultimate truth can't be an "ultimate" anything, can it?

Trying to stay on Topic. Do you question your own reasoning? I'm sure you do. If you don't then what do you take as your ultimate truth? How does a philosopher become aware of the discovery of the ultimate truth? That might seem a bit hard to answer. I think one way a philosopher might come to that conclusion is throught the essence and experience that the discovery provides. The reason I mention philosophy in this thread is due to the fact that Creationism was brought up. Both Science and Religion have seek help from philosophical thinking in the past. Which some examples I've already mention in my previous posts.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Trying to stay on Topic. Do you question your own reasoning? I'm sure you do. If you don't then what do you take as your ultimate truth? How does a philosopher become aware of the discovery of the ultimate truth? That might seem a bit hard to answer. I think one way a philosopher might come to that conclusion is throught the essence and experience that the discovery provides. The reason I mention philosophy in this thread is due to the fact that Creationism was brought up. Both Science and Religion have seek help from philosophical thinking in the past. Which some examples I've already mention in my previous posts.

Yeah, kinda off-topic... maybe we should PM or something... ^_^

Anyway, of course I question my own reasoning. I do it all the time. For just about everything... then I realize I'm becoming redundant ("why did I just think that? Why did I just think THAT? Why did I just think THAT?"😉 and stop myself. As for my own ultimate truths-- I have none. Not to my knowledge, anyway. Except for extremely simple things (like "I am me, and no one else," but it's damn hard to question THAT) which everyone takes for granted.

I think that's it... but remind me to look up the past tense forms of "seek." -_- (Have seeken? Have seeked? Have sook? Oh brother...)

oh evolution definiely occured, but with what I think, God also fits into it as well. Theres been a lot of talk and evidence (oh just look on every evolution book or site for proof) that prokayotes evolved from non living substances that were formed with the earth and the big bang. but God created us from dust, right? therefore we get the non living part in, savvy? so like the Bible says he created us from non living substances, or dust! also one might ask, well how was the earth created in seven days? well how do we know that God's time frame is the same as ours? His day may have been 5 billion years!!!!! who are we to question? our mind isn't even capable to comprehend God and His ways. so therefore, the earth was created by Him, and His time frame could easily be diff. from ours, it was just how it was interpreted into the Bible. Also the whole"dust to dust" thing fits in with the time frame too. Supossedly we evolved after all of these other animals and things and when God was creating us, what may have come out of the dust first were tiny things like bacteria, and then bigger animals and then finally us, and God was satisfied. So I know it's confusing, but that has to be it. If anyone questions it just ask and maybe I can explan it better. But God and evolution fit together, so neither can be wrong.

seriously has anyone ever thought about that before? am i the only one? how can we possibly compare our thinking to God's? time, evolution all can be explained with God, because we know so little from Him, but can possibly expalin much too.

Originally posted by julibug
You do know that Darwin even abondoned his theories later in life, right? Besides, it is just that - a theory. So, why not teach both evolution and creation as theories. They both have some scientific data backing them.

i bet they wished they could talk to me now................ 😉

Just for the record: Darwin never abandoned his theories later in life OR on his death-bed or nonsense like that.
It's a myth that was spread by Christians and has been kept alive to this day.

Beaujay1> No. I see no divine intervention ANYWHERE.

can you actually prove that TO?

evolution all can be explained with God, because we know so little from Him

well, that dude is rather good at hide-and-seek 😂

Yerssot> If you want me to, I can find the links.
BUT - it's actually Julibug (the one making a positive assertion) who has the burden pf proof. You cannot prove a negative.

^well, u can, but indirectly, like assume something is true, then an error comes out and the assumption is false, proving the negative statement