Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Easy proof of evolution
The Flu.
Every year doctors come out with a new vaccine against it. but the next year we need a new one to prevent getting sick. How come? Because the Virus evolves of course!
I said in one a my posts, not that exact way, but similar. Artifical Selection.
I just don't know why anyone would believe in pure creationism. How can they explain U-238 and it's dating of rocks? Their only defense is that God can change the laws of phyics. That's a poor excuss. In 'Inherit the Wind', there's a mention of Johnas stopping the Sun, and the defense lawyer argues that in order for that to happen, the Earth would have to stop moving. The inertia from the land and water would catapult into space, destroying our planet. The guy on stand ( a bible expert) then says that God can change natural laws. If god can change natural laws, the why doesn't he knock some sense into those f*cken terrorists, killing in his name?
hmmm there is no way a talk on Evolution cant butt heads with religion. impossible.
I have my own theory on evolution and religion and it makes sence to me, so i will stick with it.
Yeah i guess there is a god , which is sexless ( i'm hindu cant u tell) and "IT" set the seed of the universe to grow, and the universe grew whatever direction it went.
So evolution is a passage of right by the universe, to evole is to change by learning and that is what we have seen in allllllll the species on earth ( well mostly)
And people who kill in the name of God are simply misguided souls who have rejected the very reason we have a complex brain , which is to reason and every human is capable of making the right choise in life.( now if someone is gonna think that i am saying that a religion has misguided people then you are wrong)
religion has misguide ppl though. This is something my US History teacher told us: If all the Muslims are claiming that terrorists don't represent Islam, then y aren't they doing anything to stop it? By no doing anuthing, there are supporting it. Anyway BoT, I'm sure religion and evolution can co-exist. It's just the ppl that reject evolution totally i hate.
Originally posted by Agent Elrond
If all the Muslims are claiming that terrorists don't represent Islam, then y aren't they doing anything to stop it? By no doing anuthing, there are supporting it.
Agent Elrond> How on Earth can you claim that non-fanatical Muslims should prevent terrorism? Tell me, how should they do that?
Terrorists do not represent Islam. That’s prejudiced bordering on racism. Not all terrorism is conducted by people claiming to by Muslims, you know? And how’s Ali from Utah gonna stop some wacko in Afghanistan? Not all youngsters in the ME are taught that the US is the great Satan, and that killing Americans is okay. Thinking that is sick.
And how do YOU know that “nearly all Christians” supported the Crusade?
What did the percentage who didn’t do to stop it?
Fini> And the Bible isn’t being interpreted horribly by fanatical Christians? Who think THEIR way is the only way to think? The passages on Noah was for example used by Ku Klux Klan to justify racism.
And back to waiting for the Force…
That means back to drinking…
Geeh…
Originally posted by The Omega
Agent Elrond> How on Earth can you claim that non-fanatical Muslims should prevent terrorism? Tell me, how should they do that?
Terrorists do not represent Islam. That’s prejudiced bordering on racism. Not all terrorism is conducted by people claiming to by Muslims, you know? And how’s Ali from Utah gonna stop some wacko in Afghanistan? Not all youngsters in the ME are taught that the US is the great Satan, and that killing Americans is okay. Thinking that is sick.
And how do YOU know that “nearly all Christians” supported the Crusade?
What did the percentage who didn’t do to stop it?
You bring up some good points. I was wrong to make unsuppoted claims.
About Islam and preventing terrorism, that claim was brought up by US History teacher. The non-radicals should take a more active role in condemning the terrorists' attacks. Is there anyone leading the Muslims?
You are right that not all kids are being taught that the US is evil. It's just seeing little kids dancing around on 9/11 made me sick.
I don't have any idea how many ppl supported the Crusades, but concidering the Pope was for it, I'm assuming most of the ppl followed his word like he was God.
Anyway, back on topic, no news from TF is good news. He has no way to prove creationism. Party time! drunk
Originally posted by Darth Revan
That's different, they were almost all brainwashed into agreeing with Hitler. Or, they were not entirely aware what his beliefs were, and just believed what the press said, which was that Hitler was good. Also, just because some article says something doesn't make it true... 🙄
I wasn't trying to compare the two things, as I stated later, or I hope I did.
Agent Elrond> Send your teacher in here! 🙂 I think I should have a serious discussion with him/her. I’m glad to see you’re willing to see the broader perspective, regardless of your teacher.
Saying that non-radical Muslims should take a more active role is easy. I’m asking HOW should Ali from Utah stop anyone. Who’s listening to him? He may be condemning terrorism all he wants, but no one hears him.
You don’t have an “Islamic pope” if that’s what you’re asking. You also have different Muslims, the Sunni and the Shii (Shias?), poverty and poor education – a breeding ground for radical groups, just like neo-nazis often recruit among the Western poor.
“You are right that not all kids are being taught that the US is evil. It's just seeing little kids dancing around on 9/11 made me sick.”
That incident is murky to say the least. Last I heard the ”celebration” was something completely different, and just abused by the media. There IS a lot of resentment against the US in the ME, that is true, but that is because of the US-administrations on-sided support to Israel among things. Imagine living in a divided, war-ridden area, and having a super-power supporting only ONE side, regardless of what that side does?
“I don't have any idea how many ppl supported the Crusades, but concidering the Pope was for it, I'm assuming most of the ppl followed his word like he was God.”
Well, remember, back then news spread slowly…
All> We have to stay on topic! But while we wait for proof supporting Creationism: It’s always easy to be wise in hind-sight. Anti-Semitism wasn’t indigenous to Germany in the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s. “Ivanhoe” anyone? Pogroms? The Jews have been blamed for anything possible for Centuries.
“Anyway, back on topic, no news from TF is good news. He has no way to prove creationism. Party time!”
😄
Saying that non-radical Muslims should take a more active role is easy. I’m asking HOW should Ali from Utah stop anyone. Who’s listening to him? He may be condemning terrorism all he wants, but no one hears him.
There is no easy answer to that. The best way is for any clerics to use their influence to try to prevent it. It's tough for ordinary ppl to prevent terrorism, other than not becoming a terrorist.
That incident is murky to say the least. Last I heard the ”celebration” was something completely different, and just abused by the media. There IS a lot of resentment against the US in the ME, that is true, but that is because of the US-administrations on-sided support to Israel among things. Imagine living in a divided, war-ridden area, and having a super-power supporting only ONE side, regardless of what that side does?
The US should be doing more to aid the Palestineans. It isn't fair that the US is only aiding Israel.
About the celebration thing. Firstly, it is quite possible that it was fake, put together by the media for propaganda. Call me paranoid, but look at Jessica Lynch's story and the tearing down of the Saddam statue. The latter of the two was a complete fabrication, the former was just blown way out of proportion. Second, people danced in the streets after WWII ended by dropping the nukes, in which millions of people died, just as people danced in the streets when we won our independance.
Agent Elrond> Exactly. There IS no easy answer. I’m just convinced it’s important to see both sides of the story, and be VERY very watchful of any us vs. them rhetoric.
Clerics can only do so much. How are THEY supposed to stop a wacko taliban in Afghanistan?
Darth> Jessica Lynch? Was that that old Kuwait-baby fabrication?
Again: We have to be watchful of the us vs. them stuff. Maybe some Muslims did dance in the streets after 9/11, because they’ve always heard that the US was bad and evil and AGAINST Muslims. Just as some US-citizens apparently hear that ALL Muslims are bad and evil terrorists.
It’s just not that simple…
But we were discussing Creationism vs. evolution, and how religion can be used to misguide people.
I wonder how long Yerssot thinks we should wait for The Force to reply…
Originally posted by Darth Revan
About the celebration thing. Firstly, it is quite possible that it was fake, put together by the media for propaganda. Call me paranoid, but look at Jessica Lynch's story and the tearing down of the Saddam statue. The latter of the two was a complete fabrication, the former was just blown way out of proportion. Second, people danced in the streets after WWII ended by dropping the nukes, in which millions of people died, just as people danced in the streets when we won our independance.
Second, people danced in the streets after WWII ended by dropping the nukes, in which millions of people died, just as people danced in the streets when we won our independance.
First off, the two atom bombs together haven't and will not kill over 500,000 people. Millions didn't die.