Who ever said I try to monopolize moraly this topic is on evolution and science not morality. the subject of God is brought up on this thread because me and a small minority of people believe in a higher power who has created man. Also one thing troubles me omega what kind of proof do you want that a God or higher power exists would you like to elaborate? anyways i hope you found the research paper interesting any comments or questioens that you have i will be glad to awnswer them.
Iv'e been gone for so long due to technical diffulties with my internet connection.
Predator> You try to show me, that the Bible must be true based on some prediction made in said book.
So could you answer these questions, and not dodge them: From my last post to you:
Tell me which is right?:
Mt.2:14
"When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."
Lk.2:39
"And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth."
Then let’s assume we must take the DATES to be right.
If you pay any credence to the New Testament of the Christian Bible, there are at least two different dates and eras given to represent the birth of Christ.
1. The reign of king Herod, Found only in Matthew. Herod died in 4 BC So the " birth of Christ " must have been before the “official” Birth of Christ date.
2. In Luke, Jesus Christ is born at the time of the census Which is well documented in Roman records as being 6 A.D. This couldn't have been at the same time as Matthew's account as this was ten years after King Herod's death. And further more ths puts the " birth of Christ ", six years after the official Birth of Christ date.
And I was talking to Tpt on the subject of what morals should be based on. What do you say trouble you again? What kind of proof I want? START by answering my questions. And, PLEASE, for the love of Voltaire… don’t give me that “I’m a persecuted religious minority”-crap!
So you’d like to answer my questions? Well, then ANSWER them.
>Tpmanno1: If you want non-biblical proof in creationism then look at the first couple of pages on this thread look for a post by the Force i think you'll find what your looking for. As for using the bible as my chief proof i only wanted to show certain finding i had came across on-line go back to my link on the fall of bablylon. The infromation is supported by historians and archeologists as well as other reference material. Why dont i beleive in evolution? Because of the shear fact that the existence of a universe so perfect and organized could not have resulted out of an explosion or big bang. Forther more there is only a handfull of proof to verify evolution and when you break it donw it is impossible for such an event to happen. Also iam tiered of people like the omega who pretend to have brains as big as there ego's trying to make us believe that we are ignorant because we dont accept theories that are illogicaly concieved. Do i believe in creationism yes i do but if you mean hard-core creationism then no. I dont believe that the earth could have been created in a period of 6,000 years because of the evidence against said event like the amount of time it takes stars to travel in light years and the meathods used to determine how old rock sediments are i.e carbon dating. For the record the bible doesnt say that the earth was created in 6,000 years or a week that is a popular misconception. I was doing some research on the hebrew written bible and came across the descriptive word for "day" which in hebbrew in genesis is traslated to "yohm" when you analyze the word its real significance means a period of space in time or session which alludes to the fact that it could have been a very very long time even millions of years.
Predator> So, you still haven’t been able to tell me what is right? Can you tell me, how I’m supposed to take your link serious, when I can show you the dates in the Bible are not supposed to be taken literally?
So to answer your question: I have learned NOTHING from the link you provided. Now, you can finally answer this:
Tell me which is right?:
Mt.2:14
"When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."
Lk.2:39
"And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth."
Then let’s assume we must take the DATES to be right.
If you pay any credence to the New Testament of the Christian Bible, there are at least two different dates and eras given to represent the birth of Christ.
1. The reign of king Herod, Found only in Matthew. Herod died in 4 BC So the " birth of Christ " must have been before the “official” Birth of Christ date.
2. In Luke, Jesus Christ is born at the time of the census Which is well documented in Roman records as being 6 A.D. This couldn't have been at the same time as Matthew's account as this was ten years after King Herod's death. And further more ths puts the " birth of Christ ", six years after the official Birth of Christ date.
“If you want non-biblical proof in creationism then look at the first couple of pages on this thread look for a post by the Force i think you'll find what your looking for.”
That is pretty vague, isn’t it? If you’d bother to read on, I have refuted each an every single one of The Forces “claims.” So you must do better than him.
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Any proof P89, any at all. except the bible.Why don't you believe in evolution HD? Do you believe in creationism?
whats that?? if u mean that god made us?? yes i do believe that, tho I do not wanna go in war with ppl who r like "thats stupid evolution did exist" so just some ppl have some opinioins some have others 😉
Originally posted by The Omega
Predator> So, you still haven’t been able to tell me what is right? Can you tell me, how I’m supposed to take your link serious, when I can show you the dates in the Bible are not supposed to be taken literally?
So to answer your question: I have learned NOTHING from the link you provided. Now, you can finally answer this:Tell me which is right?:
Mt.2:14
"When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt."
Lk.2:39
"And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth."Then let’s assume we must take the DATES to be right.
If you pay any credence to the New Testament of the Christian Bible, there are at least two different dates and eras given to represent the birth of Christ.
1. The reign of king Herod, Found only in Matthew. Herod died in 4 BC So the " birth of Christ " must have been before the “official” Birth of Christ date.
2. In Luke, Jesus Christ is born at the time of the census Which is well documented in Roman records as being 6 A.D. This couldn't have been at the same time as Matthew's account as this was ten years after King Herod's death. And further more ths puts the " birth of Christ ", six years after the official Birth of Christ date.“If you want non-biblical proof in creationism then look at the first couple of pages on this thread look for a post by the Force i think you'll find what your looking for.”
That is pretty vague, isn’t it? If you’d bother to read on, I have refuted each an every single one of The Forces “claims.” So you must do better than him.
u dont need to sound bossy, he just have an opinion that u don't he's obviously trying to get proof but it's hard, I dont believe in evolution bcoz of othing called faith 😉
It's not "evolution did exist", it's "evolution DOES exist". It goes on constantly. ✅
And that last comment you made... You don't believe in evolution because of "faith"? So you reject centuries of logical thinking, hypothesizing, and researching basically because you don't want to believe in it?
Predator> Every claim Force made was both a) ridiculous and untrue, and b) trying to disprove evolution rather than prove creation.
For the record, I did a bunch of research on this creation thing myself, and was unable to find any real proof of creation anywhere. If anybody cares this much, they can go digging through the thread and find it...
Handfull of proof??
There are MOUNTAINS of proof for evolution in your body alone.
Did you hear my Flu virus example?
You get a flu vaccine every year. But every year you get the Flu before you get the updated vaccine. The flu virus finds a way to beat the vaccine. it Evolves!
I can't go into tooo much detail because I am not the scientist, Omega is.
I highly doubt that you have more knowlage on science than she does. Thats been proven time and time again.
Other examples.
Have you heard of the Galapagose(sp?) Finches? They evolve every couple of years to be able to eat the nuts on the island that they live on.
If you want more detail on that I could give it to you but im too lazy now
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Other examples.
Have you heard of the Galapagose(sp?) Finches? They evolve every couple of years to be able to eat the nuts on the island that they live on.
If you want more detail on that I could give it to you but im too lazy now
Heh, don't even get me started on the Galapagos Finches, you have NO idea how many times I had to write an essay in AP Biology using that...
The thing with the finches is that there're several (13, I believe) distinct species, each having adapted to their environments. Some are suited for eating bugs, some for nuts, etc. They're all similar, but they're all different in that they adapted to their environment differently. Therefore, they all evolved differently.
And Tpt, evolution takes a looot longer than a 'couple' of years ✅
I was being more specific. There is one Island that the birds evolve every year to adapt to the kind of Nuts droopped. Like for a couple of years big, walnut like nuts are dropped so the birds evolve to have big beaks to crack the nus. But when the trees start drpping smaller sunflower-ish nuts, after a coulpla generations, they have evolved to have smaller beaks better suited to eat the smaller nuts. And it goes around in circle like that ever 5 years or something.
BTW, nice sig!