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Do you people know that you are full filling Biblical prophecy?

Matthew 10:22 "All men will hate you because of Me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."

John 15:18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated Me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to this world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."

Matthew 24:3, 11-12 "As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. 'Tell us,' they said, 'when will this happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?'"

"...and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase in wickedness, the love of most will grow cold..."

Mark 4:11-12 "He (Jesus) told them, 'The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you (believers in Christ). But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!''"

You guys see the word of God when creation is talked about, but you do not perceive it, and you never will. You hear the word of God spoken here, but you do not understand it, and you never will.

Mark 4:14-15 "The farmer (God) sows the word (Bible). Some people are like the seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they (you) hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them."

Matthew 10:32-33 "Whoever acknowledges Me before men, I will also acknowledge him before My Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before My Father in heaven."

John 8:47 "He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

II Peter 2:1-3 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth to disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

II Peter 2:10b-12 "Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even the angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish."

II Peter 2:17-18 "These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error."

You are all thumbing your nose at God Himself when you say he doesn't exist! And He also says that you will not go unpunished if you continue to do so.

The Bible is un-like any other book ever written. All other religious books were written by ONE person throughout HIS lifetime. The Bible was written over at least 600 years by over 30 authors, and yet fit together like it was written by just one! Also, the Bible is the only religious book that has prophecy in it, 3/4 of the Bible is prophecy! There is a reason for all this, there is one God out there that has created the universe and has communicated his love to us through the authors of the Bible.

II Peter 1:20-21 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Best part

Let's compare real science to "scientific" creationism.

1. Real scientists, as did Darwin, usually spend some time pointing out the possible weaknesses they see in their theories. This is done not only to highlight areas which need further study but in order to strike a balanced presentation that will not mislead the reader. Truth is the overriding goal. Creationists usually minimize or ignore the weaknesses in their theories unless the cat is out of the bag. Inserting their views into the public educational system is usually their goal.

2. Real scientists publish scientific literature, which can be very unorthodox, in refereed journals. This serves as a clearing house for ideas as well as a common testing ground.

Creationists, apparently having nothing worth saying to the scientific community, invariably write for the layman. They have found it necessary to publish their ideas in special "creationist journals" because none of the hundreds of legitimate scientific journals find their work acceptable. Creationist journals mostly serve as a rallying point for the faithful, rarely as a means for criticizing their fellow believers.

3. Real scientists are quick to criticize their colleagues if they suspect an error. (Remember the cold fusion flap?) Catching errors improves their status in the scientific community even as it improves the level of science.

Creationists have a fortress mentality, and they are quick to circle their wagons. To admit error is considered bad form among creationists, and most of them must literally be smoked out before admitting any errors whatsoever. With no effective mechanism for weeding out error, errors are passed down like the family jewels. Today, one can buy many creationist books containing errors that should have been eliminated 20 years ago!

4. Real scientists are quick to test promising new ideas (however unorthodox) and those which don't pan out quickly disappear from the literature. Fame and fortune await any scientist who successfully advances a novel idea.

Creationists are largely concerned with protecting their dogma, not with new ideas that might question that dogma. Rejection is the likely lot of any creationist who questions the central dogma. Creationist arguments having serious errors, including arguments based solely on obsolete data, circulate indefinitely in the creationist literature.

5. Real scientists are often involved in meaningful laboratory and field work. They are looking for new data which might clarify, overturn, or confirm their views.

Creationists spend most of their time combing through books and technical journals for quotes with which to snipe at evolution, geology, astronomy, and other areas of science which challenge their central dogma. When they're not doing that they can usually be found out on the stump drumming up support among the uneducated public.

6. Real scientists base their theories on the available evidence. They are not immune to the effects of prejudice, but they all understand that the facts dictate the conclusion. Conclusions are subservient to the data; data are not subservient to conclusions.

Creationists take their science straight from the Bible. Many creationist leaders have publicly stated, often in print, that any evidence at variance with their literal interpretation of the Bible should be rejected out of hand. Their a priori conclusions dictate what data are acceptable. That's not science!

7. No self-respecting scientist would ever think of signing an oath of allegiance to Darwinism as a condition for employment. Evidence is "king" in good science, and their is no room for competing loyalties.

Many creationist societies actually require a "loyalty oath," which is tantamount to an admission that their minds are closed! Such minds are slammed shut and rusted tight!

8. All good scientists admit that they might be wrong, that absolute certainty is not part of science. Scientists long ago recognized that our knowledge of the physical world is largely a product of inductive reasoning. In principle, inductive reasoning can yield a high degree of confidence, but it can never confer 100% certainty. The uncertainty of inductive reasoning follows from the fact that any set of observations can be explained, in principle, by an infinite number of hypotheses! One can never rule them all out no matter how much data one has. Thus, the proper scientific attitude includes a touch of humility no matter how great one's success.

Except for trivial details, creationists cannot conceive of the possibility that they are in error as that would take down their concept of biblical inerrancy. Since "scientific" creationism is really a branch of Bible apologetics, there is no room for compromise. "Scientific" creationism is there to defend the faith, not to probe the unknown.

9. Real scientists are often found in the great universities, where real science is done and advanced. None of those institutions take creationism seriously.

Creationists are usually associated with creationist societies. Those few "universities" where creationism is featured have either failed to get full accreditation or have done so only through the pulling of political strings. What discoveries have they made? Name their Nobel laureates!

10. Scientists build upon previous knowledge accumulated over the years, and only rarely participate in great, revolutionary breakthroughs.

Creationists fancy that they are in the process of overthrowing modern biology, geology, astronomy, anthropology, linguistics, paleontology, archaeology, oceanography, cosmology, physics, and numerous other branches of science. Some creationists (the flat-Earth societies) would add the "grease-ball" theory of round-Earth geography to that list. Anything that doesn't conform to their interpretation of the Bible is suspect and in need of revision.

Tpt> GREAT!

Creationism is a religious metaphysical theory which claims that a supernatural being created the universe. Creation Science is a pseudoscientific theory which claims that (a) the stories in Genesis are accurate accounts of the origin of the universe and life on Earth, and (b) Genesis is incompatible with the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution. “Creation Science” is an oxymoron since science is concerned only with naturalistic explanations of empirical phenomena and does not concern itself with supernatural explanations of metaphysical phenomena.

Creationism is not necessarily connected to any particular religion. Millions of Christians and non-Christians believe there is a Creator of the universe and that scientific theories such as the theory of evolution do not conflict with belief in a Creator. However, those Christians calling themselves ‘creation scientists’ have co-opted the term ‘creationism’, making it difficult to refer to creationism without being understood as referring to Scientific Creationism. Thus, it is commonly assumed that creationists are Christians who believe that the account of the creation of the universe as presented in Genesis is literally true in its basic claims about Adam and Eve, the six days of creation, making day and night on the first day even though He didn’t make the sun and moon until the fourth day, making whales and other animals that live in the water or have feathers and fly on the fifth day, and making cattle and things that creep on the earth on the sixth day, etc.

Creation scientists claim that Genesis is the word of God and thus infallibly true. They also claim that Genesis contradicts the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution. Thus, those theories are false and scientists who advocate such theories are ignorant of the truth about the origins of the universe and life on Earth. They also claim that creationism is a scientific theory and should be taught in our science curriculum as a competitor to the theory of evolution.

One of the main leaders of creation science is Duane T. Gish of the Institute for Creation Research, who puts forth his views mainly in the form of attacks on evolution. Gish is the author of Evolution, the Challenge of the Fossil Record (San Diego, Calif.: Creation-Life Publishers, 1985), Evolution, the Fossils Say No! (San Diego, Calif.: Creation-Life Publishers, 1978), and Evolution, the Fossils Still Say No! (Spring Arbor Distributors, 1985). Another leader of this movement is Walt Brown of the Center for Scientific Creation. Despite the fact that 99.99% of the scientific community considers evolution of species from other species to be a fact, the creation scientists proclaim that evolution is not a fact but just a theory, and that it is false. The vast majority of scientists who disagree about evolution disagree as to how species evolved, not as to whether they evolved.

Scientific creationists are not impressed that they are in the minority. After all, they note, the entire scientific community has been wrong before. That is true. For example, at one time the geologists were all wrong about the origin of continents. They thought the earth was a solid object. Now they believe that the earth consists of plates. The theory of plate tectonics has replaced the old theory, which is now known to be false. However, when the entire scientific community has been proved to be wrong in the past it has been proved to be wrong by other scientists, not pseudoscientists. They have been proved wrong by others doing empirical investigation, not by others who begin with faith in a religious dogma and who see no need to do any empirical investigation to prove their theory. Erroneous scientific theories have been replaced by better theories, i.e., theories which explain more empirical phenomena and which increase our understanding of the natural world. Plate tectonics not only explained how continents can move, it also opened the door for a greater understanding of how mountain ranges form, how earthquakes are produced, how volcanoes are related to earthquakes, etc. Creationism is not a scientific alternative to natural selection any more than the stork theory is an alternative to sexual reproduction (Hayes 1996). The theory has not led and is unlikely ever to lead to a serious understanding of biological phenomena in the natural world.

From "A skeptics dictionary" http://skepdic.com/creation.html

Originally posted by ska57
Do you people know that you are full filling Biblical prophecy?

Matthew 10:22 "All men will hate you because of Me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."

John 15:18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated Me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to this world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."

Matthew 24:3, 11-12 "As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. 'Tell us,' they said, 'when will this happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?'"

"...and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase in wickedness, the love of most will grow cold..."

Mark 4:11-12 "He (Jesus) told them, 'The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you (believers in Christ). But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!''"

You guys see the word of God when creation is talked about, but you do not perceive it, and you never will. You hear the word of God spoken here, but you do not understand it, and you never will.

Mark 4:14-15 "The farmer (God) sows the word (Bible). Some people are like the seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they (you) hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them."

Matthew 10:32-33 "Whoever acknowledges Me before men, I will also acknowledge him before My Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before My Father in heaven."

John 8:47 "He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

II Peter 2:1-3 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth to disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

II Peter 2:10b-12 "Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even the angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish."

II Peter 2:17-18 "These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error."

You are all thumbing your nose at God Himself when you say he doesn't exist! And He also says that you will not go unpunished if you continue to do so.

The Bible is un-like any other book ever written. All other religious books were written by ONE person throughout HIS lifetime. The Bible was written over at least 600 years by over 30 authors, and yet fit together like it was written by just one! Also, the Bible is the only religious book that has prophecy in it, 3/4 of the Bible is prophecy! There is a reason for all this, there is one God out there that has created the universe and has communicated his love to us through the authors of the Bible.

II Peter 1:20-21 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

"We now have fresh water crocodiles and salt water crocodiles that are different species but probably had a common ancestor. This is not evolution. It is only variation."

Umm, that's evolution reworded. Common ancesters becoming different, but similar species is a major poit of evolution.

Originally posted by ska57
The Bible is un-like any other book ever written. All other religious books were written by ONE person throughout HIS lifetime. The Bible was written over at least 600 years by over 30 authors, and yet fit together like it was written by just one! Also, the Bible is the only religious book that has prophecy in it, 3/4 of the Bible is prophecy! There is a reason for all this, there is one God out there that has created the universe and has communicated his love to us through the authors of the Bible.

Very not true. Actually the church picked the parts that fit together themselves. They left out everything that they thought didn't seem to fit right. There is ALOT more that was written that was intended to be in the Bible, but it's gone now, because someone noticed contradictions.

Oh, and SKA> How come you dodge everything we ask you? I don't expect you to respond because you can't think of a response

Is the best a Creationist can do to QUOTE the Bible and proclaim the end of the world?
That is – like – SO old, you know? Are you The Force in disguise again?

Ska> Either that or the people who wrote it were very smart at the art of brainwashing.
Listen to this, You have to believe in this cause with all your heart and mind, you cannot think of questioning his existance, and id you ask for the SLIGHTEST bit of proof other than this strange and mysterious book its called testing god, and you Go to hell. And if someone figues it out thats its all false, the authors have it planned so that it just seemes that they are evil and wrong and going to hell adn stuff.

Sounds too perfect for me. More like brainwashing.

Originally posted by The Omega
Is the best a Creationist can do to QUOTE the Bible and proclaim the end of the world?

Tpt - Awesome 👆

TO - he dodges because he cannot answer.

Yers> YES! I was trying to do some teenage girlish impression there. Tex will do as well.

Ae, Tpt, Darth> Yers and I just had a private conversation. How about this for a plan: The next Creationist who come in here will be ignored until he/she can provide proof of Creationism?
We'll just refuse to pour our wisdom over them until they give us some evidence NOT in the Bible.
🙂 That should be fun...

Silver> Yeah, I know. It's just fun to point it out... 😉

Isn't it, though? 😉

Yers...😂 nice Tex impression there.

Originally posted by The Omega
Yers> YES! I was trying to do some teenage girlish impression there. Tex will do as well.

Ae, Tpt, Darth> Yers and I just had a private conversation. How about this for a plan: The next Creationist who come in here will be ignored until he/she can provide proof of Creationism?
We'll just refuse to poor our wisdom over them until they give us some evidence NOT in the Bible.
🙂 That should be fun...

Sounds like a plan. The burden of proof is on their sholders, not ours. Time to sit back, review their weak "proof" and simply post a link to a site that counters it.

I just want to see SOME proof - ANY proof...
But leaning back sounds good as well...
(Gets a cocktail) 🙂

Oh, and on your plan, Omega...sounds like a great idea 👆 why should we keep digging up evidence supporting evolution while they've got crap to support creationism 'cept for the Bible?

Most of the creationist use the same form of "proof" I saw one that claimed that since to oldest living tree is 4200 years old, the Earth is young. I'll give a MILLION dollars/pounds/euros/whatever to the person who can tell me how the age of a tree proves that the earth is 6000 years old (btw, Noah's flood is said to have ocurred 4200 years ago, hmmmm)

Originally posted by ska57
The Bible is un-like any other book ever written. All other religious books were written by ONE person throughout HIS lifetime. The Bible was written over at least 600 years by over 30 authors, and yet fit together like it was written by just one! Also, the Bible is the only religious book that has prophecy in it, 3/4 of the Bible is prophecy! There is a reason for all this, there is one God out there that has created the universe and has communicated his love to us through the authors of the Bible.

Clearly you know nothing about other religions to say any of that.

"the Bible is the only religious book that has prophecy in it!"

That line had me laughing. Do some research and you will find that quite a number of religions talk about prophecies.

"All other religious books were written by ONE person throughout HIS lifetime. The Bible was written over at least 600 years by over 30 authors, and yet fit together like it was written by just one!"

That one was even worse. First, the Bible does NOT fit together like it was written by just one. Second, it is an outright LIE to say that all other religious books were written by one person. Third, I hope you are aware of the full history of the Bible, and how much of it has been changed by the Church and even believers in pagan religions to fit their needs at the time.

DR! you haven't read the other posts! 🙁

Tsk, tsk, DR...