I have never really been deeply into the evolution debate, but I feel I have a certain grasp, but could you explain Laskharis what you are getting at with
"but organisms with different numbers of them in their dna can't, on the genetic level, breed. (Or maybe they can, but the offspring will be, well, pretty messed up.) So how do groups of organisms with different numbers of chromosomes?"
Again, stop taking my quotes out of context...I said:
"I'm not wasting my time on trying to tell you what the Bible really says."
Meaning I wasn't going to go through all the quotes and try to prove them wrong...because there were too many and it would be a waste of my time...And if you believe in the Bible, God created creatism actually...We can't prove how long ago a Dinosaur lived. There were trees up by one of the volcanos around here (I forget which) that when the lava touched it...destroyed the tree...but when we took samples of it...it dated back to millions of years ago even though we knew the tree wasn't that old...it was because of what the lava had done to it.
Wait! Are you supposed to take the Bible literaly or not?
Because if you take it literaly all those quotes HAVE to be true.
But if you take it as a metaphore, the Genisis can be interpreted as a metaphore and Evolution is correct.
OR if its a bit of both, how can you tell what's a metaphor and whats not?
Wow. I've never seen anyone like hunchy before. This should be fun.
First off, I go to these anti-Bible websites, and they just take stuff out of context...and again, more misquotes. I'm not wasting my time on trying to tell you what the Bible really says.
www.skepticsannotatedbible.com IS the Bible, word for word. All written out in order and context, with little notes one the side, so you can see how the Bible stands up in today's world. Check it out.
Ok, so the Bible doesn't say how old the earth is, and you won't accept a substitue number because you take the Bible word for word.
Did you know that the Bible has been heavily edited since it was first written? What you read today is not the same Bible of 1000 years ago.
You know what? Jesus tells you to hate your parents, your siblings, and even yourself, or you cannot be his disciple. I suppose you hate everyone you know then? You'd have to hate them to be a good little Christian.
Well... if two organisms have different numbers of chromosomes, then the process of meiosis (or is it mitosis? I can't remember) just isn't going to work. So Jimmy the Ancestral Slug, with 14 chromosomes from a chance mutation, must find another organism with 14 chromosomes with which to interbreed. Although he doesn't know this, obviously.
If his potential mate isn't of the Ancestral Slug species, then, well, there are heaps of physical factors which will prevent breeding (imagine a guinea pig trying to impregnate a falcon.)
So Jimmy's mate must also be an ancestral slug, with the chance mutation of an extra chromosome. The odds Jimmy finding Janette the Ancestral Slug are pitifully low to begin with, and even worse when you consider the extra chromothingy has probably resulted in some pretty crippling deformities. And what if they succeed in breeding? Who will their offspring breed with? The gene pool is going to get dangerously shallow. Like hillbillies...
Not a very well expressed point, but hopefully someone can help me out.
"Love they father and mother"
One of the Ten Commandments.
That means to hate your parents? Because if you think that your really basackwards dude. You don't know ANYTHING about the Bible clearly from your comments. I know enough about evolution, that I am not spewing lies about it.
And by talking about the lies on that website, I meant THEIR comments on what the Bible passages meant...again, I will not waste my time trying to tell you how each one is deceiving in what it says. You Bible has not been heavily edited...it has been changed into different languages and that's it...Yes, maybe occasionally a word in the Bible may not be perfectly translated, but definately well enough to know what its talking about. There are literal parts of the Bible and non literal parts of the Bible...for instance, some people think that when he said 7 days, it wasn't 7 actual days...Or when Jesus is telling a story, it's obviously not literal...I can tell them apart.
Wait, what happened to the New Testament? Isn't that what Christians live by? Or are you Jewish? Because I said that JESUS said to hate your parents and your siblings, and yourself. Or did you miss that part of the Bible?
LUKE 14:26
"If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he CANNOT be my disciple."
I told you to check the website man.
I know the difference between a translation and editing. I meant what I said, it's been EDITED. Chunks have been taken out, words have been changed, new words were added in, it's been edited.
Originally posted by hunchy
You don't know ANYTHING about the Bible clearly from your comments.
Originally posted by hunchy
I know enough about evolution, that I am not spewing lies about it.
Originally posted by hunchy
And by talking about the lies on that website, I meant THEIR comments on what the Bible passages meant
quite silly to NOT go and spend time in trying to explain it all... from the same pov, why should a scientist pour time into educating you about the theory?
so, you take the bible literal? is the earth a square?
Actually the Bible was one of the first examples to say that the Earth was round. And yes, I have read many articles on Evolution. They taught it in our schools here...I think I know about it. I know they are lies on the site, because I have read the Bible and they are taking stuff out of context and lying about things...Why do I know this...because its as plain as the small brain in your head.
Originally posted by Laskharis
Well... if two organisms have different numbers of chromosomes, then the process of meiosis (or is it mitosis? I can't remember) just isn't going to work. So Jimmy the Ancestral Slug, with 14 chromosomes from a chance mutation, must find another organism with 14 chromosomes with which to interbreed. Although he doesn't know this, obviously.
If his potential mate isn't of the Ancestral Slug species, then, well, there are heaps of physical factors which will prevent breeding (imagine a guinea pig trying to impregnate a falcon.)
So Jimmy's mate must also be an ancestral slug, with the chance mutation of an extra chromosome. The odds Jimmy finding Janette the Ancestral Slug are pitifully low to begin with, and even worse when you consider the extra chromothingy has probably resulted in some pretty crippling deformities. And what if they succeed in breeding? Who will their offspring breed with? The gene pool is going to get dangerously shallow. Like hillbillies...
Not a very well expressed point, but hopefully someone can help me out.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Mitosis and Meiosis is the DIVISION of cells.
Mitosis is cell division for the growth, repair and Asexual reproduction of an organism. I.e., you get a cut on your arm, your skin cells go through mitosis and repair the cut. Now, mitosis works becuase the parent cell copies itself. Let's take the human skin cell for example. The cell holds 46 chromosomes. It wants to split into 2 cells. It copies it's DNA so it has 92 chromosomes. Then the cell pulls itself apart and now there is one set of 46 chromosomes in each of the 2 resulting cells.
Meiosis is cell divison for sexual reproduction. I.e. Sperm and eggs go through meiosis. A cell starts with 46 chromosomes. then, it wants to go through meiosis, so it copies it's DNA. The cell now has 92 chromosomes. It splits and then there are 2 cells with 46 chromosomes each. Now, here's the difference between mitosis and meiosis. These two sex cells cannot combine with the sex cells of the opposite gender, because then you'd get an organism with 92 chromosomes. The female's body would recognize it as not human, and dispose of it, in a natural abortion. So, These 2 cells with 46 chromosomes each have to go through ANOTHER split, this time NOT copying their DNA. Now we have 4 cells with 23 chromosomes each. When the sperm cell with 23 chromosomes meets the egg cell with 23 chromosomes, they combine to form one cell(a zygote) with 46 chromosomes.
That poor slug with the genetic disorder is going to die alone. No babies for that one. First off, an organism with a deformity is not appealing. A female won't mate with a deformed male because the children would not survive. It's called natural selection(surprise! another aspect of evolution). Survival of the fittest.
Originally posted by hunchy
Actually the Bible was one of the first examples to say that the Earth was round. And yes, I have read many articles on Evolution. They taught it in our schools here...I think I know about it. I know they are lies on the site, because I have read the Bible and they are taking stuff out of context and lying about things...Why do I know this...because its as plain as the small brain in your head.
You obviously didn't check the site. It's not out of context, all of the words are there. The ENTIRE Bible is on the site, for your reading pleasure. Nothing was changed. There are just notes there on the side.
Originally posted by hunchy
Actually the Bible was one of the first examples to say that the Earth was round. And yes, I have read many articles on Evolution. They taught it in our schools here...I think I know about it. I know they are lies on the site, because I have read the Bible and they are taking stuff out of context and lying about things...Why do I know this...because its as plain as the small brain in your head.
Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
where does it say the earth is round? or is this conviniently enough yet another one that you have to take metaphoricly? 😂
you sure do say they lie alot, but can you PROOF anything without mentioning every five seconds "but it's in the bible!"? in other words... Do you have ANY foot to stand on?
You are incompetent...I SAID that it wasn't the quotes from the Bible that were wrong...it was the quotes from what the people on the website were saying...Again, stop twisting what I say around. As for where it says the Earth was round:
The passage saying the earth is round is Isaiah 40:22:
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
"You obviously didn't check the site. It's not out of context, all of the words are there. The ENTIRE Bible is on the site, for your reading pleasure. Nothing was changed. There are just notes there on the side."
oh Tpt, you know that all of the Creationists that come in here do that. It's starting to lose it's appeal.
Hunchy: You call me incompetent, when you are JUST NOW changing your answer?? You said, and I quote:
I know they are lies on the site, because I have read the Bible and they are taking stuff out of context and lying about things
Do you know what "out of context" means? It means that I take a portion of what you say, without revealing the rest of what the quote says, and use it negatively to support my position.
That website did NOT take ANYTHING out of context, and neither have I. It simply put what the Bible says in laymans terms, and points out the NUMEROUS contradictions in it.
You don't want to go through it because you are afraid you veiws will be challenged and you will be forced to see things differently. That's ok, some people can't handle the truth.
What questions have I skipped over? I have never skipped over a question, unless I didn't see it because I posted somthing right after it. You guys assume that when I don't answer for a few seconds when you think you have a good question that I am ignoring you...I think you either believe the Bible for what it is or you don't. It's as simple as that...but one of the major things I think that proove it is prophecies that were later fulfilled, places and times that we can look back and trace ourselves back to...There are also things to back up the flood, people think they have found the Ark on Mount. Arafat and are going in on an expedition right now, The Shroud of Terrin is very interesting whether or not it is real...There are little things like that being found all the time that prove little things right said in the Bible...You guys seemed to skip over what I said before too...Here's some interesting websites:
http://www.biblestudysite.org/proof.htm
http://www.shroud.com/
http://www.bibletoday.com/archive/proof_text.htm