The way i see it, double kick and double bass, it doesnt matter which, both have two pedals, one takes up less space. ive played on both and there isnt much of a difference, ur skilled on one, ur skilled on both. the rhythms that the rev pops out, especially live, are outstanding and i would consider him one of the best trapset players in the world..and ive seen and heard alot of good drummers. Why does everyone think that gates is all about speed? only people with minimal experience with guitars would say something like that...oh, he can only play fast, that's why everyone thinks he's so awesome. For all those people who have never heard him play a classical guitar solo, it's alot more than speed. I would even safely say that he would be ranked up high among guitarists too, though maybe not the best, but still pretty close, and worthy of some props. and give me a break...trivium....they sound like they're young. simple solos...all they've got is a speedy double bass beat..no advanced rhythms...BORING!. If you want that, just go listen to as i lay dying. they play nothing advanced, nothing exciting, and definitely nothing original...the problem is with bands like that, u get one cd, u have them all....at least it's not that way with A7X...at least not yet. and until then, i will pick them as my favorite band.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I heard that song by chance after hearing quite a few people and reviewers going bad over them. I was expecting them to be some innovative metal band but they were just like a really weak Velvet Revolver. Don't see what the big deal is at all.-AC
Velvet Revolver? You seriously dont have the first clue about music do you? Maybe your hearing has left you.....for the time being.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
Velvet Revolver? You seriously dont have the first clue about music do you? Maybe your hearing has left you.....for the time being.
Me choosing to not felch Avenged Sevenfold doesn't mean that I have no clue about music.
Everything you just said about Trivium, I can say about Avenged Sevenfold. Except Avenged Sevenfold are on their third album. Trivium are on their second at 19 and it's still quite good.
I personally have never heard Gates play outside of Avenged Sevenfold. If he's actually a really good guitarist, then fine. I'm referring to his role within the band, in which he doesn't play anything besides really fast stuff. Proof being Bat Country.
I'm not going by what he can do when showing off. Because a lot of musicians trapped in lame bands could do great when showing off. Travis Barker being a prime example.
Brann Dailor uses a double kick and it's a singular pedal, by the way. You only need one foot to operate a double kick, not both. Which takes more skill. The Reverend couldn't do what Dave Lombardo does, where as Dave Lombardo could probably burn a hole in The Reverand's drum kit. Stop using this "I've heard a lot of good drummers" as proof of him allegedly being great.
My final word on the band is: I don't like them at all. To be fair, you could probably do A LOT worse than Avenged Sevenfold. The fact is that you can also do a lot better. Which puts them in a catagory of about a million other bands. Sometimes the only thing worse that being really shit is being really like a whole lot of other bands.
-AC
by the way, gates plays the classical guitar in one of his songs on the city of evil soundtrack...partly borrowed from an awesome classical spanish guitar solo. by the way, reverend uses two foot pedals...dw 5000 series the last i saw. Ok, let me rephrase, being a drummer myself, watching/listening to thousands of extraordinary drummers throughout high school and college (music major), examining these drummers and actually playing their solos, expanding on them, etc., i think i would just a *little* expertise in this area. dave lombardo particularly does not impress me. Everything i have heard him play, especially with slayer, is all along the lines of metallica...but, all in all, i would pick the rev to take lombardo ANY DAY. avenged is nothin like trivium...two totally different sounds now. avenged's new cd does not sound like anything ive heard before...too advanced and definitely unique. u can say they sound like as i lay dying when the truth is obviously that there is nothin in common about these bands....and the same goes with velvet revolver, sounds nothing like them. and i can see that we're obviously just wasting our time on someone who has no taste in unique music, but chooses music of his liking at the time and says its unique....thus the trivium and velvet revolver statements....just copies of past bands, A7X has no copy on their new cd.
Well firstly, it's not a classical guitar solo then. "It's a classical guitar solo partly borrowed from an awesome classical spanish guitar solo." Cool, so he's unoriginal. Interesting.
Ok cool, so he uses two pedals. It's still a double kick. More over, you saying that The Reverend is a better drummer than Dave Lombardo is just outlandish. He's nowhere close, actually nowhere remarkably near Lombardo. Dave Lombardo is one of the greatest drummers of all time. The Reverend is just some guy from a metal band who happens to be better than you. When you first posted I thought "Ok cool, someone who can actually say why they think the band are good players." Then you spout tripe such as "I majored in music" followed by a ridiculous opinion. Don't get me wrong, if you believe The Reverend is better than Lombardo, that's fine. He's not, by far, but that's fine.
Who said Avenged were LIKE Trivium, first of all? Moving on.
City of Evil not sounding like anything you've heard before doesn't mean it's some ultra innovative record. I've heard plenty of albums like it. Avenged Sevenfold aren't doing anything that G'N'R didn't do. You saying that it's too advanced doesn't mean it is. Like I said before, to me, someone from a top art school may seem advanced. To Picasso they won't seem like anything special. Did you think it might only seem advanced because you simply don't know any better? Sum 41 are advanced to a Britney fan.
You are just proving yourself to be like the other two Avenged fans (who coincidentally joined around the same time you did. Yeah, I found it weird that you're all popping up now) who tried it with me in this thread. I don't like the band, I think they're way way overrated and I can prove with good reason, why. You don't like that so you say I have no taste in unique music (as false as can be) just because I dislike your boys. Flawed, failed, funny.
-AC
Ok, AC, ill leave you with this...Ive had a taste for metalcore bands ever since ive heard them, and i have a decent amount of experience in playing that kind of music. but, to bad none of us are picasso's or claim to be picasso's, but just claim to have a decent knowledge of musical content/depth, and of course people who have about the same playing level will not think as much of the playing ability, but will applaud for reaching that level....that is a GIVEN. in response to the classical guitar solo, it's not just merely the fact that he's using it, but he modifies it in a way to fit metalcore music, which to me is amazing because face it, u dont see it that often...you don't see classical, and i mean actual classical music combined with great instrumentalists (regardless of mine or your opinions, they have to be great instrumentalists to make it this far in the musical society) that often..sure you may hear of bands combining with orchestras, but the orchestra is bending to the band's sound, not vice versa. and, in all fairness, alot of great guitarists can get clumped together regardless of whether or not they are considered "great" as well as with drummers (even though you seem to lean more towards these "supposed ALLTIME GREATS" who almost everyone would conform with blindly not knowing a thing about music). you're free to chose your favorites, and i never said that they were the greatest of all time, i said they are, and i quote, "one of the greats", meaning "my boys" may not be my boys. out of all your posts, you'd be the one to talk of ridiculous opinions without any logical backing whatsoever....but, i guess, the eye of the beholder. personally, if i had to pick my boys, it would probably be dream theatre, only because of they're playing abilities because i dont particularly care for some of the music they play.
talking about flawed, failed, funny...u started out ur original post saying "A7X is an original band in a genre of carbon copies"..but then, posts later i.e. page 2, they're music is mediocre and it's not something i think of as unique which contradicts what u said originally...then you talk about how a band can be technically brilliant and put out crap music..but shouldnt it be the bands choice to put out music they like and you to like them for their talent? You flat out say "The only reason why i dont like them is because of their music" which means you only care about one result and that's what you're hearing...soo flawed, failed, funny that you should argue about their playing ability when you just dont like their music period.
I dont base my opinions on what i know alone. I have friends that attend M.I. and for those of you who don't know what it is, it's the Musical Institute in Hollywood cali, which happens to be the school where synyster went. I didnt even hear of the band until they told me, and they had to explain alot of the guitar stuff to me, because, in all honesty, i was never that familiar with guitar stuff...only percussion, including piano, and marching band instruments. and, from what they've told me, and what ive seen live, this guy is as good as they say he is. and i do speak of technicality of the rev from experience, whether you say it's absurd or not....and i know im not as good as him, i dont have the natural ability to spit out rhythms like his, but i dont practice that often either. but, any decent percussionist can tell you that his playing level is amazingly difficult and can recognize that he has talent...even synyster says he's amazed at how well the rev can play..which, regardless whether they are in a band together, is a compliment coming from someone of his background with music. playing as fast as they do, and the rhythms they play while going that fast are both difficult even if one is taken away.
You can't prove with good reason why...you only go on your opinions alone and along what a conformist would say, naming off bands that dont really have a similar sound, but are considered in the same category and naming off ALLTIME GREATS to compare the members of the band to. If you have to do that, then you have to admit that they are up there on the list. the only reasons you've given so far is that YOU personally think their band is mediocre, which anyone can say with not backing, YOU think their players are overrated, needless to say without backing, YOU don't like their overall sound, which you're entitled to YOUR own opinion, and YOU don't like their image. None of this has to deal with they're actual playing ability...just thoughts on the band on how their music comes out and what they look like.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
Ok, AC, ill leave you with this...Ive had a taste for metalcore bands ever since ive heard them, and i have a decent amount of experience in playing that kind of music. but, to bad none of us are picasso's or claim to be picasso's, but just claim to have a decent knowledge of musical content/depth, and of course people who have about the same playing level will not think as much of the playing ability, but will applaud for reaching that level....that is a GIVEN. in response to the classical guitar solo, it's not just merely the fact that he's using it, but he modifies it in a way to fit metalcore music, which to me is amazing because face it, u dont see it that often...you don't see classical, and i mean actual classical music combined with great instrumentalists (regardless of mine or your opinions, they have to be great instrumentalists to make it this far in the musical society) that often..sure you may hear of bands combining with orchestras, but the orchestra is bending to the band's sound, not vice versa. and, in all fairness, alot of great guitarists can get clumped together regardless of whether or not they are considered "great" as well as with drummers (even though you seem to lean more towards these "supposed ALLTIME GREATS" who almost everyone would conform with blindly not knowing a thing about music).
You're claiming that these metalcore bands are great because they've made it "this far in the musical society"? So by your rationale, Ashlee Simpson is great? Fame and popularity matter jack sh*t. You being an expert on "metalcore" (albeit self-proclaimed) is about as useful as me being an expert on manufactured pop. So you know a bunch of metalcore bands. So what? So do I. You think that because you like a lot, that you know more?
As for the all time greats thing:
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
you're free to chose your favorites, and i never said that they were the greatest of all time, i said they are, and i quote, "one of the greats", meaning "my boys" may not be my boys. out of all your posts, you'd be the one to talk of ridiculous opinions without any logical backing whatsoever....but, i guess, the eye of the beholder. personally, if i had to pick my boys, it would probably be dream theatre, only because of they're playing abilities because i dont particularly care for some of the music they play.
Good call on D.T, but moving on. Dave Lombardo is a better drummer than The Reverend, this isn't my opinion. I'm not judging musically, I'm judging technically. You're free to like The Rev more, sure. That doesn't make him a better drummer and I'm not throwing Lombardo's name out there so people will agree. You're new, so realise that there are a whole bunch of people here who know him anyway and have their own opinions.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
talking about flawed, failed, funny...u started out ur original post saying "A7X is an original band in a genre of carbon copies"..but then, posts later i.e. page 2, they're music is mediocre and it's not something i think of as unique which contradicts what u said originally...then you talk about how a band can be technically brilliant and put out crap music..but shouldnt it be the bands choice to put out music they like and you to like them for their talent?
By original I mean they were one of the first metalcore bands to be well known besides a couple of others before them. They weren't doing anything "new" per se. If anything, they're responsible for the birth of metalcore as it's known today. That's not something they deserve thanks for. Their music isn't unique, that doesn't contradict me thinking they were "original" because I called them original for popularity purposes. They were one of the original mainstream metalcore bands. Doesn't make them unique musically. They stole from bands like Poison the Well (who I don't care for) and Guns 'N' Roses.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
You flat out say "The only reason why i dont like them is because of their music" which means you only care about one result and that's what you're hearing...soo flawed, failed, funny that you should argue about their playing ability when you just dont like their music period.
Well....of course that's what I'm saying. I'm hearing their music, I don't like it. Where's the confusion? You're saying that I should like them despite not liking their music? What are you talking about kid?
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
I dont base my opinions on what i know alone. I have friends that attend M.I. and for those of you who don't know what it is, it's the Musical Institute in Hollywood cali, which happens to be the school where synyster went. I didnt even hear of the band until they told me, and they had to explain alot of the guitar stuff to me, because, in all honesty, i was never that familiar with guitar stuff...only percussion, including piano, and marching band instruments. and, from what they've told me, and what ive seen live, this guy is as good as they say he is. and i do speak of technicality of the rev from experience, whether you say it's absurd or not....and i know im not as good as him, i dont have the natural ability to spit out rhythms like his, but i dont practice that often either. but, any decent percussionist can tell you that his playing level is amazingly difficult and can recognize that he has talent...even synyster says he's amazed at how well the rev can play..which, regardless whether they are in a band together, is a compliment coming from someone of his background with music. playing as fast as they do, and the rhythms they play while going that fast are both difficult even if one is taken away.
Dude, first of all, they give props to each other because they're in a band. End of story. Secondly, you're spitting out all this "Any decent percussionist will tell you" and how he's "amazingly difficult", says who? You. You're the one just sitting there pulling all this out of thin air. I don't care what he can do technically when showing off. Because what he does in the band doesn't impress me, none of them do. Because I think they're just a mediocre band, overrated to the max. You can believe that Synyster is as good as your buddies (who are fans of his) say he is. That's your call. You're obviously completely biased.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
You can't prove with good reason why...you only go on your opinions alone and along what a conformist would say, naming off bands that dont really have a similar sound, but are considered in the same category and naming off ALLTIME GREATS to compare the members of the band to. If you have to do that, then you have to admit that they are up there on the list.
Of course I'm going with my opinion, what are you going by? Your opinion. You've proven nothing. For some reason all you Avenged fans like to throw tantrums when someone doesn't fall at their feet ready to suck off their "talent" just because you do. I threw out Dave Lombardo's name because we were discussing drummers who use double bass and you made the stupid claim that The Rev was as good. None of the Avenged boys are all time greats. None of them. If you believe they are, that's cool with me. Why do I care?
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
the only reasons you've given so far is that YOU personally think their band is mediocre, which anyone can say with not backing, YOU think their players are overrated, needless to say without backing, YOU don't like their overall sound, which you're entitled to YOUR own opinion, and YOU don't like their image. None of this has to deal with they're actual playing ability...just thoughts on the band on how their music comes out and what they look like.
What.........in the blind hell.......are you talking about? So......I SHOULDN'T focus on their music? What are you babbling about man? Why do you keep pointing out "YOU believe they're mediocre"? Yes, that's what I believe. What? I've never said it was a provable. I said I believe they are. I don't like their music, it has jack all to do with what they look like. They're mediocre. I think they're mediocre because they are to me. I'm not as easily impressed as you. They're nothing amazing at all. You can think they are and I can't change your mind.
Stop getting so upset just because I don't like them.
-AC
Looking at your past threads in other forums, i think you get off on disagreing with people and downplaying them....im, for one, not new by any means to metalcore, or to any other genre if that. 2, ashlee simpson is good in her own way, vocally, and if you like that music, so be it. 3. we throw tantrums for the same reason ur throwing tantrums, we have strong opinions 4. I do know other percussionist who think they are awesome, me and the drumlines i instruct at 2 high schools get a road trip together to go see them at warped tour every year at indy 5. If you don't care, why do u seem so intent on arguing with everyone else..and i do mean everyone else. 6. dont focus on music...you dont have to like country music to tell that there are good country musicians..same with metalcore, doesnt mean you have to diss on them and say they're overrated. 7. Where did i ever claim to be a self-proclaimed expert...it seems to me you're assuming more than what is written...need i repeat myself to all those visually impaired....", to bad none of us are picasso's or claim to be picasso's, but just claim to have a decent knowledge of musical content/depth" which is giving both you and me to have a decent knowledge...so get over urself......all i did was merely point out facts about how they combine with classical music, nothing more, nothing less, and anyone could see that
I'm not throwing a tantrum kiddo, I'm replying to your flawed and rather pointless post that never established any kind of factual base despite asking for one.
I don't say they're overrated for fun, I say it because I believe they are. I don't do it to "diss on them". Stop taking it so personally, damn.
It's not a fact, it's your opinion. Everything said so far, besides the drummers part, has been opinion. That's all it can be when it comes down to what we HEAR.
Oh and don't think I overlooked where you said Ashlee Simpson was vocally good. Your opinion is now about as valid as a food stamp on a plane.
-AC
look, u replied to my post as you have with almost everyone elses claiming the same thing, they're overrated by comparin them to "the best" because we like A7X..if thats not a tantrum, i dont know what is..it seems that you cant accept the fact that we like them, and thus have to cry about everyones opinion by giving the same nonsensical opinions over and over again.
you're opinion is just as flawed as mine, with NO factual base. it's all opinion. I can only comment on the actual parts they play and say it's not opinion, because there is no arguing whether or not a guitar part, or drummer part is technical, now you can argue whether or not you like what you hear, or whether or not it is as technical as someone's elses part...but, when you know that their parts are technical and yet you still argue against that, then that's nonsensical.
And for the record, once again, I hate having to repeat myself to people who can't see past the two words, ashlee and good to read the rest of the 2 sentences...."ashlee is good in her own way, vocally. If you like it, so be it" meaning that i dont necessarily need to think she has a good voice personally....it just means that alot of people think she has a good voice, and it sells, so she must be doing something right vocally, even if it is altering her voice or whatever, regardless of what i think. So i can safely say that duh she is good vocally, or people wouldnt buy her stuff. I am not as close-minded about differing artists as most people in the world are, even if i dont like their style of music.
but i guess replying to "flawed" posts with "flawed" posts is the way with AC...so far he has proved to be the master of that. I guess saying there members are "shit" is not doing it just to diss on them..what a moron. you coulda stuck with your overrated bologna and been ok. and you know what the really sad thing is, i havent commented once on what i actually "hear"...it's been all about their parts, but obviously you must have missed that point, KIDDO, on the past 6 posts. and im sure people wouldnt take it personally if you didnt go around replying to everyone's post that the band is shit, your opinion is duly noted...and it has been responded to, as any idiot shoulda expected and not understood why...as you've so proven. so, now that is has been given, feel free to let other people post as i will on the actual topic, and stop making it a kindergarten game feeling that you have to respond to every person in here that has an opinion about likin the band...any moron would know that this forum is going to be for the people who like the band, and any person that disagrees heavily..by saying they are shit, is going to be scolded, u shouldve expected that much....it will happen in ANY forum, where a lone person tries to disagree heavily with everyone that has posted.
there have been other people to post that have not liked avenged sevenfold in here..and nothing has been said....learn from them AC.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
look, u replied to my post as you have with almost everyone elses claiming the same thing, they're overrated by comparin them to "the best" because we like A7X..if thats not a tantrum, i dont know what is..it seems that you cant accept the fact that we like them, and thus have to cry about everyones opinion by giving the same nonsensical opinions over and over again.
What the hell do you mean I can't accept the fact that you like them? I've been saying for many posts, to many people, that if you wanna like them, it's fine with me. I don't care who likes them or not. So that in itself proves that you're running around with your eyes shut, stomping your feet because I don't like them.
Second, I am not comparing them to the best, or anyone. I think they're a very mediocre, overrated band based on the music I hear from THEM. Not when compared to anyone else. You seem to have a hard time accepting this.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
you're opinion is just as flawed as mine, with NO factual base. it's all opinion. I can only comment on the actual parts they play and say it's not opinion, because there is no arguing whether or not a guitar part, or drummer part is technical, now you can argue whether or not you like what you hear, or whether or not it is as technical as someone's elses part...but, when you know that their parts are technical and yet you still argue against that, then that's nonsensical.
No, you see. My opinion isn't just as flawed as yours. The only reason I said your opinion was flawed was on the drummers remark, in which case technique is provable. You're not wrong for liking Avenged, I never said you were, but you're obviously so upset that I'm saying anything but good things about them.
I've been saying for ages, even IF they are technically good or not (which you have yet to prove, I haven't heard any proof because I'm not impressed by mediocrity), I don't like the music they make. I'm not about to say they make good music just because two of them MIGHT.......MIGHT be technically decent. That would be stupid. Yngwie Malmsteen is fast, he makes shit music though.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
And for the record, once again, I hate having to repeat myself to people who can't see past the two words, ashlee and good to read the rest of the 2 sentences...."ashlee is good in her own way, vocally. If you like it, so be it" meaning that i dont necessarily need to think she has a good voice personally....it just means that alot of people think she has a good voice, and it sells, so she must be doing something right vocally, even if it is altering her voice or whatever, regardless of what i think. So i can safely say that duh she is good vocally, or people wouldnt buy her stuff. I am not as close-minded about differing artists as most people in the world are, even if i dont like their style of music.
There is a big difference between being closed minded and accepting shit, which you are doing by saying Ashlee is good, and you did say that: "ashlee is good in her own way, vocally" She's doing nothing right, she's everything that's wrong with music. You saying that just invalidates your posts.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
but i guess replying to "flawed" posts with "flawed" posts is the way with AC...so far he has proved to be the master of that. I guess saying there members are "shit" is not doing it just to diss on them..what a moron. you coulda stuck with your overrated bologna and been ok. and you know what the really sad thing is, i havent commented once on what i actually "hear"...it's been all about their parts, but obviously you must have missed that point, KIDDO, on the past 6 posts.
What in the crap are you TALKING about? "I haven't commented on what I actually hear"??? This is a music forum, what do you expect us to talk about? I'm not talking about technique because technique doesn't mean you'll make great music does it? If you think Avenged Sevenfold make great music because you think they're technically good, then you're silly. What's worse is that you keep saying you're not judging by what you hear. Nothing I've heard them play is technically exceptional at all. But the MAIN POINT is that REGARDLESS of how well they MIGHT be able to play when showing off, the music they make doesn't reflect that. I don't like Avenged because I think they make lame music. It's got nothing to do with them, their image or their POSSIBLE ability on instruments. I have been asked why I don't like them, I told everyone it was because I didn't like their music. So now you're implying that I have to ignore what I heard of their music, and like them because of what they're NOT doing? And you call ME a moron?
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
and im sure people wouldnt take it personally if you didnt go around replying to everyone's post that the band is shit, your opinion is duly noted...and it has been responded to, as any idiot shoulda expected and not understood why...as you've so proven. so, now that is has been given, feel free to let other people post as i will on the actual topic, and stop making it a kindergarten game feeling that you have to respond to every person in here that has an opinion about likin the band...any moron would know that this forum is going to be for the people who like the band, and any person that disagrees heavily..by saying they are shit, is going to be scolded, u shouldve expected that much....it will happen in ANY forum, where a lone person tries to disagree heavily with everyone that has posted.
People shouldn't take it personally whatever happens. It's not your family is it? Taking it personally just proves that you are in no shape to debate anything because no matter what, you're going to defend them.
I haven't continually and drastically ripped on the band. RedAlert ASKED me for reasons as to why I don't like them....more than once. So I gave them.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
there have been other people to post that have not liked avenged sevenfold in here..and nothing has been said....learn from them AC.
Considering you and PINBALL are the only two who get very upset that I don't like the band, I'd say you need to learn from other Avenged fans.
Get back in your pushchair.
-AC