Originally posted by Apocalypse9
i didnt link it, i only gave the relevant parts of it....look, ur saying synyster isnt as good as those guitarist is also opinion no matter how painful it is to admit it
It's not an opinion that Van Halen, Vai and Hendrix are better than Synyster. Let's raise our (your) intelligence above a remedial level shall we?
-AC
Look, you have no backing besides your knowledge..which you think should be everyone's knowledge..not everyone agrees with this "common" knowledge, making it not common, thus opinionated, as it will always be. and come on, quit fooling yourself...remedial level...another nonsensical opinion i guess that everyone should agree with...what bologna. it's sad..if you only knew the knowledge/intelligence some people possess, you wouldnt be throwing these worthless opinions around.
A) We're not off topic.
B) I'm finishing what you started.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
Look, you have no backing besides your knowledge..which you think should be everyone's knowledge..not everyone agrees with this "common" knowledge, making it not common, thus opinionated, as it will always be. and come on, quit fooling yourself...remedial level...another nonsensical opinion i guess that everyone should agree with...what bologna. it's sad..if you only knew the knowledge/intelligence some people possess, you wouldnt be throwing these worthless opinions around.
Well the music they made will always be subjective. The fact that the guitarists I named are factually, technically better, is what gives it that power.
How can you sanely sit there and call anything I say worthless when in one page you've said that Ashlee Simpson is vocally good and that Synyster Gates is better than Jimi Hendrix? Think about what you're saying. I'm all for free thought but saying Synyster is better than anyone I named doesn't make you independant, it makes you simple. I need no backing to claim that Hendrix and Van Halen are better, or Vai. Or Morello. Hendrix has been and will continue to be regarded as the best of all time by some of the world's best ever guitarists. Yet YOU claim Synyster is BETTER than Hendrix? Hendrix DIED at 28, he was already the greatest of all time. Synyster will either be long forgotten or a bit better by then. What...what drugs are you taking? I'd slap your dealer if I were you.
-AC
dude, get over it..people have different tastes..you can't just sit here and say it's factual and leave it at that....that's not how it works. I have absolutely no qualms about claiming that Synyster Gates is one of the best lead guitarists in modern music by Tony Pascarella....Lead guitarist Synyster Gates emerges as one of the finest players in metal, blazing away with the velocity of legendary shredders like Malmsteen, Skolnick and Becker, while the no-holds-barred arrangements carry the band into previously unexplored creative territory by long island press.....look, the simple fact is all these guitarists have aged, they've had they're 11 years to make a name...or in hendrix's case, 10...synyster is in what, his 3-4 years.21-22, and people are already starting to talk of how great he is and, frankly, i think this bothers people who's mindset is on all these old people who have had time to make their name throughout the years. and, you do need backing if you think he is good enough to be compared to these guys since you've been comparing them since the beginning...
look, we know you dont think he's the best..it's your opinion. people think differently, and it doesnt make it any less factual, because they are just opinions, so chill, relax, take a breather. let the forum continue, your opinion is duly noted that you do not like the band, so the forum will continue
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
dude, get over it..people have different tastes..you can't just sit here and say it's factual and leave it at that....that's not how it works. I have absolutely no qualms about claiming that Synyster Gates is one of the best lead guitarists in modern music by Tony Pascarella....Lead guitarist Synyster Gates emerges as one of the finest players in metal, blazing away with the velocity of legendary shredders like Malmsteen, Skolnick and Becker, while the no-holds-barred arrangements carry the band into previously unexplored creative territory by long island press.....look, the simple fact is all these guitarists have aged, they've had they're 11 years to make a name...or in hendrix's case, 10...synyster is in what, his 3-4 years.21-22, and people are already starting to talk of how great he is and, frankly, i think this bothers people who's mindset is on all these old people who have had time to make their name throughout the years. and, you do need backing if you think he is good enough to be compared to these guys since you've been comparing them since the beginning...
Guitarists don't LOSE talent with age. That is the absolute stupidest theory to ever be expressed on this music forum. If you continually practice, as they all do, you keep it. Eric Clapton still has it. Van Halen, Vai, Satch. They've all still got it. Why do you think guitarists lose TALENT with age? I'm just puzzled as to how you could come up with such a ridiculous theory. You don't lose talent with age. Avenged Sevenfold fans are praising him. The only praise I've ever seen him get in guitar mags is how fast he is, and he is fast.
Synyster Gates might be a better player than Malmsteen in terms of what music he puts out. I'd rather listen to Avenged Sevenfold than Malmsteen's CDs. But Malmsteen is a better technical player than Synyster.
I'm gonna end this with one more clarifying statement. Synyster Gates is NOT, whether you like it or not, anywhere close to being able to dream of being equal to Hendrix. It's more or less accepted by the world's best past and present that he is the untouchable. Sure, you don't HAVE to agree. Someone even said on this forum that they believe Van Halen is better. He isn't, but that's cool if they prefer him. You are confusing who you prefer with who is better. I am still in shock that A) You believe those guys are now worse because of age and B) You believe Synyster is better than those guitarists including Hendrix. THAT is just criminally retarded, I'm sorry. It is.
To claim that he's also a better technical player than Steve Vai and Joe Satriani is...well. At least you're entertaining, I'll give you that much.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
look, we know you dont think he's the best..it's your opinion. people think differently, and it doesnt make it any less factual, because they are just opinions, so chill, relax, take a breather. let the forum continue, your opinion is duly noted that you do not like the band, so the forum will continue
I'm not asking the forum to stop, am I? You are sitting there claiming I have no backing when you are the one who is claiming that he's better than Hendrix, Van Halen, Vai and co. You CANNOT have any backing for that because it's not true.
-AC
well actually AC..apocalypse and pinball arn't the only ones who get upset over this..everybody here who likes the band has..including me..if the band is not mediocre..they have so much more talent then a lot of bands..if they were mediocre then they are average meaning anyone can play like them..also yes the bands first album (sounding the seventh trumpet) was released in 2001 and they were only 18..waking the fallen was released in 2003 making them 20 and city of evil was released this yr making them 22 not 25...if gates' playing is so untechniqual then why are there not many bands playing as well as he is..i would like to see how many peopl can play as well as him..you also said before he has a backup rythme guitarist..but that doesnt mean shit because you can tell the difference between zacky (rythme guitarist) and gates especially when he is playing a solo..its not hard to tell how techniqual it is and how well he is playing..you obviously have no idea because the rev IS one of the best..just because he uses double kick doesn't mean anything..you say it has nothing to do with playing fast on the double kick but it does because anyone can play slowley..the faster the harder it gets to play fluently and keep a beat going and the rev plays amazingly..just because you don't like the band doesn't mean they are shit or overrated because they are neither..also if you just keep getting negative feed back and no one backing you up..obviously this is a forum for people who like Avenged so just leave already!
That's the silly thing, you're actually getting upset. It's funny, but sad.
Second, I never said he was so unteChnical. I said he's not as technically amazing as everyone claims. As for you saying "Why don't other people play as well?" Travis Barker is an excellent drummer, but you wouldn't know it from Blink. It restricted him. I don't even like Blink.
The Rev isn't one of the best, understand this. He is not one of the best in the world because there are unbelievable amounts of drummers better than him.
When I said about Synyster having a back up player, it means it sounds fuller and bigger than it really is. So you're judging work that isn't his.
I'm not giving negativity, I was asked WHY...TWICE, and I told. Apocalypse got sad and decided to try something futile, which is debate me and made himself look silly.
And finally, "just because you don't like the band doesn't mean they are shit or overrated." Just because you like them doesn't mean they aren't.
-AC
For one thing, since certain people seem to like to cry "opinion! opinion!" all the time....technical ability is one thing that CAN be proven to be factual in music. So don't even try and say that Synyster can go up against the bests, people like Hendrix, Van Halen, Vai, Satriani, Morello....because it is simply not true. Saying that it's your opinion is akin to a kid covering his ears because he doesn't want to hear something.
BTW, apocalypse....do you even know who Tom Morello and Adam Jones are?
if gates' playing is so untechniqual then why are there not many bands playing as well as he is
A great deal of bands, believe it or not, are FAR better. Unless you're one of those people who only listens to what's on the radio and MTV you could clearly see this.
Quite frankly, first time I heard Avenged Sevenfold, I thought "haven't I heard this before?" It didn't stand out in anyway and was very mediocre.
tom morello and adam jones....let me see..possibly like 30 someodd year old guitarist, one being from rage against the machine, and now audioslave..the other from tool. sory, rage bores me (no offense to all you rage fans), and audioslave...once again, no offense out there to audioslave fans, but all the songs ive heard from them are just ripoffs, and im supposed to be impressed? i will give tool its props though.
yes, i believe technical ability can be proven, but according to AC, its common knowledge, you can just say, hey, they're better that's it, and expect everyone to believe it...and the same with you Lana. i mean, you two assume im oblivious to how good these guitarists are or i just dont know them..but, you're badly mistaken. and i stand by my statement that the only reason you all think these guys are greats is because they've been around for 28-38 years popping off good solos here and there, and, according to your personal preference, their bands are good...but, what you cant and wont realize is that anyone with decent guitar skill can recognize that synyster has an extrememly high technical ability in todays metal scene. and i will continue to say that he can play with the greats.
now that you two are done saying that these supposed great guitarists are better just because they are, move on....im bored of hearing worthless opinions being thrown around without any technical knowledge as backing....if you want to say they are greater, at least say what they do technically that is better. and, i mean, come on, it has to be better than you can tell just by what you hear (you could have no knowledge whatsoever of what's being played). stop resorting to this common knowledge nonsense that not everyone agrees with. now, on with the forum.....once again......
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
how about the band's harmonic leads...do you think that synyster and zacky could possibly be one of the best duo's of all times? i think many times zacky vengeance is underestimated...he can play a pretty mean lead guitar part..
Not the best duo of all time, but certainly a great one. I agree that Vengeance gets less credit than he deserves. That guy easily be lead guitar in a band. Which is why I like how Avenged has two top-notch guitarists.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
tom morello and adam jones....let me see..possibly like 30 someodd year old guitarist, one being from rage against the machine, and now audioslave..the other from tool. sory, rage bores me (no offense to all you rage fans), and audioslave...once again, no offense out there to audioslave fans, but all the songs ive heard from them are just ripoffs, and im supposed to be impressed? i will give tool its props though.
POSSIBLY some? Adam Jones is on another level to Synyster and Tom Morello is the one man who could claim to be the modern day Jimi Hendrix. They're both above and beyond Synyster, if you TRULY understood technique you'd be agreeing with me.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
yes, i believe technical ability can be proven, but according to AC, its common knowledge, you can just say, hey, they're better that's it, and expect everyone to believe it...and the same with you Lana. i mean, you two assume im oblivious to how good these guitarists are or i just dont know them..but, you're badly mistaken. and i stand by my statement that the only reason you all think these guys are greats is because they've been around for 28-38 years popping off good solos here and there, and, according to your personal preference, their bands are good...but, what you cant and wont realize is that anyone with decent guitar skill can recognize that synyster has an extrememly high technical ability in todays metal scene. and i will continue to say that he can play with the greats.
See what I mean? You're in denial. You can't believe that anyone likes anyone better than Synyster so you just accuse those who know more than you of liking them by reputation. They haven't just pulled off the odd good solo. Have you ever heard Eruption by Van Halen? Synyster couldn't dream of doing that. Eugene's Trick Bag by Steve Vai? Steve Vai plays a guitar with THREE necks faster and more difficult than Synyster and MOST other guitarists can play one neck. Hendrix? The man is responsible for almost every guitarist today. He has made more or less the greatest guitar music ever, doing things nobody did before or since, at the age Synyster is now. Still to be unsurpassed and still regarded as the best ever by people better than you.
It IS actually common knowledge that Hendrix is the best of all time and IF.....IF.....IF there are ANY guitarists worthy of being mild contenders, they are those I mentioned, not Synyster Gates, who is just another generic guitarist.
You KEEP saying "Anyone with technical skill can realise", you don't have any technical skill or perception of. Because if you did you wouldn't be claiming Synyster Gates is better than Morello, Vai or goddamn Jimi Hendrix, you fool.
I'm not discussing this further. It's not up for debate.
Originally posted by Apocalypse9
As for your comments on the greats,now that you two are done saying that these supposed great guitarists are better just because they are, move on....im bored of hearing worthless opinions being thrown around without any technical knowledge as backing....if you want to say they are greater, at least say what they do technically that is better. and, i mean, come on, it has to be better than you can tell just by what you hear (you could have no knowledge whatsoever of what's being played). stop resorting to this common knowledge nonsense that not everyone agrees with. now, on with the forum.....once again......
Supposed? It's Jimi Hendrix, Steve Vai and Eddie Van Halen I'm referring to, you mug. What is actually wrong with you? It's not opinion that they are better. Most of the techniques that Synyster shows off and impresses you with were INVENTED by Van Halen.
You keep saying "technical knowledge", YOU HAVE NONE. You actually have NONE, do you? You just suck up what your buddies at the "institute" say. If you DID, you would KNOW that what you are saying is complete horsetripe.
-AC
listen alpha, im gonna be straight up with you...you either give me something musically technical that they play that exceeds synyster's playing ability or quit posting..it's simple, it's either you can do it or you can't....i mean, seriously, if they are common all-time greats, it should be easy to come up with something technical that they have over synyster....so, either post it, or keep quiet.
Good god, I have more technical knowledge than this guy, it seems.
Audioslave? Ripoffs? Of what, exactly?
Tom Morello? You ever even LISTEN to his playing? Goodness, he does stuff that most people could never dream of doing. What does his age have to do with anything? He was as insanely talented when he was young as he is now, and has only gotten better with practice. Like AC said - he is the one person who could claim to be a modern-day Hendrix, because he does stuff with a guitar that has never been done before; just like Hendrix did.
Hendrix, Vai, Satriani, Van Halen, are all widely considered and accepted as the BEST guitarists; Morello is heading in that direction. There is no chance that Synyster could play at their level.
If you prefer Synyster, that's fine....but it does not in any way, shape, or form, make him someone who can contend with the best.