Avenged Sevenfold

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
full of crap? lol...petty at best. it seems that someone cant handle people having musical skill and expressing because poor alpha cant keep up with it...by the way, the 2004-2005 year at perry central high school was "it's an american tradition" music by aaron copland...hope you have more luck finding it than me, but nonetheless, you'll have what you want in about a week..all i got to do is call up director and get some pics..no big deal...

It's not a matter of handling it. The only thing that gets a reaction of of me now are your posts, and that's because they're depressingly funny because they're so stupid. There's really no way to describe it. "Synyster is as good or better than Hendrix". It's just stupid.

I think you're bullshitting. Anyone can create or find anything on the net in a week.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
as for the rest of your post, dude, if you can't handle someone else possibly having more knowledge than you about musical concepts, dont even start in with them....i mean, if you are going to stoop to this level of kindergarten denial as you said i had but is more obvious in your last post, you might as well just give it up......no matter what anyone does, it's not gonna change your mind that these guitarists are the best......my mind has changed alot about which guitarist is the best...i used to idolize eddie van halen, jimmi hendrix, etc...it's all i grew up on, dad listened to it all the time....but over the years its changed, and i strongly believe for many right reasons that synyster is a serious competitor..now whether you do or dont, that's your opinion and everyone elses..but dont go into conversations blindly throwing out tidbits of information that are very debatable and claiming to be some kind of self-appointed expert on the subject......

What do you mean MORE knowledge? You've admitted, in this case, to knowing nothing outside of what people tell you. At all. What are you talking about? I respect your right to an opinion but seeing as your opinions revolve around "Ashlee Simpson is ok vocally", "Synyster is as good or better than Hendrix, Vai, Satriani" and "I could write a book on technique, despite judging difficulty by how much I like it", you're invalidating yourself.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
as for me, ive only made claims dealing with my knowledge of music at a college level of musical reasoning...there are many others who have surpassed that knowledge of reasoning and far be it from me to say without a doubt that synyster or anyone else is the best guitarist.....people of expertise disagree all the time, as well as college graduates, and even normal people with knowledge driven from just the net and listening to albums....but, what makes a difference is the way we go about discussing this......i already tried to make it an actual musical term talk, and you didnt like it because i think you knew right then and there that this guy might be more knowledgeable than me....no offense to all you other musically inclined people because there are probably some of those on this site that have had more experience than myself....but, this has in essence been between you and me....now we can bury the hatchett, or you can continue saying im full of crap while im asking for musically based relevance that ill probably never get. so, hopefully moving on for the very last time.....refer to post about rev's skill or zackyv/synyster duo, shadows voice, or whatever the heck us music fans want to talk about.....lets get this going again..

Here's the kicker though, you tried to make it a discussion of musical terms. Why? That means absolutely nothing. ANYONE could do it. You know loads of terms, so what? So do I. You get what you know from everyone else, you're a sheep. The discussion went from me giving examples AGAIN of why I dislike the band, you getting sad about it, then going on many many stupid tangents of how YOU like Synyster and how he's technically great because to YOU it SOUNDS difficult. Do you realise how pathetically silly that is? You keep saying "I possibly know more.", "I could write a book", but you don't actually know anything do you? You've admitted this.

This has been you trying to discuss technique despite not knowing technique.

You believe Synyster is technically better than all those players, he's not, factually, but you can think that all you want. The fact that you are judging that by how difficult it SOUNDS, is wrong. Lots of players use tapping on to make shit sound more difficult than it is. Even the idiot in Atreyu does it.

Example of your crap:

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
look, in response to lana, i did give a specific reason....about 50 posts ago..."he is able to triple stroke at insanely fast speeds (thus sextuplets), while playing patterns up and down the guitar, many times resembling arpeggios which are difficult to play when you are advancing 2-3 octave arpeggios, with sometimes grace notes in-between while progressing through this 2-3 octave arpeggio. But, the speed and that combined is incredibly hard to play. even sometimes play these in harmonic lead lines at the same speed which makes it insanely difficult" this is one reason i believe he plays at the level of these greats, but no one responded to it, so....but, anyways, as i said, bury the hatchett, lets get this going...

Hahahaha. Who told you that? The guys at M.I? You don't actually know if that's true do you? You're just believing others.

You can throw out all the pretty terms in the world, Synyster could do all the fast speed playing all he wants, it will still never be as technically astounding as a left handed player playing a right handed guitar that he's not used to, out of tune, upside down. Synyster is not as good as the players I mentioned. He's just not, I'm sorry.

-AC

sure anyone can know terms...but can they apply them to music is the question....and hear what is actually being played...here's a key example..check it out, you wont find this on the net.....right now, im listening to the beast and harlot...coming upon the solo at about 2 minutes....here's exactly what's going in with it. quick vibration of strings to get a distorted sound of a-melodic notes heightening the lead into the solo.....2:02 seconds, he leads arpeggios in a sixteenth not pattern at about a tempo of 154b/s, an allegro piece obviously...at about 2:05 he plays a few sixteenth notes with a few grace notes intertwined leading into a leading into a scale at 2:06 in sixteen notes ending the scale with 3 half notes...then leading into the harmonic lead of high pitched notes is another scale with some overlapping, such as, although not the right notes, but in this pattern, c, d, e, f, d, e, f, g in a sixteenth note pattern....and then the squeal at 2:15-16...from 2:17 on, he does 5 notes in a scale that are adjacent and back down, instead of play the full 8 notes, each time playing the fifth note one full step up...it even appears that he triple strokes the 5th note with the note a step below it before going back down...then he ends with playing the 5 notes of the major 5th of the previous scale going down ending on the base note of the 3rd...this leads into another excellent harmonic lead line at 2:23 of excellent arpeggios played side by side🙂 sixteenth notes🙂.....now, that's just in a hurry..go check it out yourself, if you know anything about music, you'll see my technical description is pretty accurate for a quick overview..further exploration of this solo would have to be done using a pedal, or some other musical studio equipment to slow it down and see what's going on at the very basic level of this solo, but for the most part, pretty accurate. if you know anything about music, ull see this....this is what i look at and compare when i look at guitarists...can other guitarists do this, as well?, and then i go on comparing other pieces.......look, an idiot wouldnt know this stuff and this is more than just knowing terms. now please, lets bury the hatchet before i make you look more foolish, considering your obvious lack of musical knowledge.........so, continuin..wanting to bury the hatchet as earlier...

oh by the way, the arpeggio like progression ending it is in a triplet pattern...left something out🙂 i dont want to write all his pieces out to prove my knowledge of music, so please just take what dignity you have left and take my offer for a truce.....

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
sure anyone can know terms...but can they apply them to music is the question....and hear what is actually being played...here's a key example..check it out, you wont find this on the net.....right now, im listening to the beast and harlot...coming upon the solo at about 2 minutes....here's exactly what's going in with it. quick vibration of strings to get a distorted sound of a-melodic notes heightening the lead into the solo.....2:02 seconds, he leads arpeggios in a sixteenth not pattern at about a tempo of 154b/s, an allegro piece obviously...at about 2:05 he plays a few sixteenth notes with a few grace notes intertwined leading into a leading into a scale at 2:06 in sixteen notes ending the scale with 3 half notes...then leading into the harmonic lead of high pitched notes is another scale with some overlapping, such as, although not the right notes, but in this pattern, c, d, e, f, d, e, f, g in a sixteenth note pattern....and then the squeal at 2:15-16...from 2:17 on, he does 5 notes in a scale that are adjacent and back down, instead of play the full 8 notes, each time playing the fifth note one full step up...it even appears that he triple strokes the 5th note with the note a step below it before going back down...then he ends with playing the 5 notes of the major 5th of the previous scale going down ending on the base note of the 3rd...this leads into another excellent harmonic lead line at 2:23 of excellent arpeggios played side by side🙂 sixteenth notes🙂.....now, that's just in a hurry..go check it out yourself, if you know anything about music, you'll see my technical description is pretty accurate for a quick overview..

It's taken you about three or four pages to say that. Which leads me to believe you've had time to build all that. All the technical jargon you have before was pointless. You're making a tiny bit of sense now, finally. It still doesn't change the fact that ALL of this is told to you by someone else.

You're not getting all that from listening, so don't even bother lying. You don't play the instrument so for you to claim you got that by listening IS actually lies, let's not kid ourselves. Secondly, who told you all that? This is why you have no actual PERCEPTIVE knowledge, only assimilated knowledge. You suck up what people tell you like a sponge, come back here and wring it all out AND the funniest part is that it's still not proving that Synyster can do things that make him great. Any long term guitarist can do that. You turn on the Musicians Channel on TV and you can see amateurs doing all that.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
further exploration of this solo would have to be done using a pedal, or some other musical studio equipment to slow it down and see what's going on at the very basic level of this solo, but for the most part, pretty accurate. if you know anything about music, ull see this....this is what i look at and compare when i look at guitarists...can other guitarists do this, as well?, and then i go on comparing other pieces.......look, an idiot wouldnt know this stuff and this is more than just knowing terms. now please, lets bury the hatchet before i make you look more foolish, considering your obvious lack of musical knowledge.........so, continuin..wanting to bury the hatchet as earlier...

Oh come on man, he isn't so good that you need technology to slow his solos down and judge them. Get off your knees, he'll have nothing left by the time you're done.

The fact that you are so insecure as to keep saying "If you know anything about music" when you know nothing of relevance yourself is just not good is it? You compare guitarist, by what? By listening with a biased ear to what you like, who you like, what you don't like and WHO you don't like. THEN you go and compare it to someone you don't like as much as say Synyster is better, despite only having technique "knowledge" from what's fed to you.

You make ME look foolish? All I have to do is this:

"Ashlee Simpson is good vocally.", "and yes, i do believe Synyster can be as good or better than those players."

Keep trying.

PS: I want names of these teachers still, links to the Musical Institute site so I can see what you're talking about. Or are you lying AGAIN?

-AC

listen dude..i can do that to any solo..you name one right now, give me about 5-10, ill get it to ya....that was with no internet help, because you dont get internet help like that....and i didnt build to it...thus name a song by avenged and a solo and ill do it right now...promise🙂..teachers, Mrs. Elly Sharp and Mr. Mike Little....i hate giving names so stop asking for them.....www.mi.edu/

ill do another solo of your choice if you decide to bury the hatchett and get on with the forum....by the way, it was all by ear, almost all musical concepts can be generalized from mallets in percussion ie vibraphone, marimba, xylo, and piano to guitar and drums as well

one reason for hating giving names...you dont know much about the people you are giving it too...

and...sorry for so many posts, but slowing it down is the easiest way to hear the little notes in between and whether he's hitting the strings 2-3 times, and can even help finding the key which the music is being played in...as we all know, synyster likes to play in many keys, including minor, in one solo🙂 ie i wont see you tonight part 2

oh, and it isnt told to me by someone else....my friend is in class right now🙂

and the only reason i go to him is to actually see how it the pieces are played on the guitar...how far apart the notes/arpeggios are on a guitar, whether bending would be involved to hit certain notes, and techniques that synyster would use to make the parts unique playing wise, such as the note cominations used on different strings....i already know exactly what i told you before i go to him and we sit around and play, we talk about these parts, and stuff he's learning, etc....shoot the breeze. but only when he's home, otherwise we talk on the internet every now and then, but by no means all the time🙂

but...hopefully, this will let the forum continue!

*cough*

and its not biased, i never said i dont like the guitarists that you named....but from my experience i deduce that synyster of equal playing ability.....now, unless i say these other musicians are horrible, im not being biased as im giving them equal props for the most part. and i repeat, unless im saying these other artists are being horrible, then im not being bias..im giving to each his own

sorry lana if im taking up too much space

ok, give me time to download the specific song....got to wait for it to connect....but, indicate where the solo is

Wow, someone's scared...or defensive...or both.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
listen dude..i can do that to any solo..you name one right now, give me about 5-10, ill get it to ya....that was with no internet help, because you dont get internet help like that....and i didnt build to it...thus name a song by avenged and a solo and ill do it right now...promise🙂..teachers, Mrs. Elly Sharp and Mr. Mike Little....i hate giving names so stop asking for them.....www.mi.edu/

Eugene's Trick Bag by Steve Vai. Go for it 🙂. Or An Ode to No One by The Smashing Pumpkins. Go on Mr. Knowledge without knowledge, "inform" me. This'll be good.

All your other posts were you claiming you can decipher anything by ear (false) and how your friend tells you about guitar and you believe it all as gospel. Which is what I've said before.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
and its not biased, i never said i dont like the guitarists that you named....but from my experience i deduce that synyster of equal playing ability.....now, unless i say these other musicians are horrible, im not being biased as im giving them equal props for the most part.

sorry lana if im taking up too much space

The fact that you believe Synyster is equal shows that you're either biased or stupid, or both. By experience? What experience? Someone telling you? Hahahaha. Dude, give it up.

-AC

It sounds like the beginning starts off with 4/4 or 3/4 time signature *(depending on how you listen to it but no matter how you listen to it, after the beginning its a 4/4) alternating between two notes a half step apart (possible E and Eflat) in a 16th note pattern (but of course, if slown down, there could be no general pattern at all, just an interesting intro..depending on what purpose the soloist had for this beginning)..13 seconds then progressively slows down into arpeggios in 4/4 in an adagio 120 tempo..but it slows down a lil bit..it's a progressive piece so far, slow down speed up..could be just free write possible? it picks back up into adagio at 24 seconds, with notes 2 steps apart in alternation following a scale-like pattern of bottom notes ending in a minor high pitch squeal note....im not gonna keep track of speed up and slow down because he does it at will....at 28 seconds, he starts and plays two progressions of 4 notes a piece, with the second progression a step higher than the first but both in a minor scale, and progresses down from the last note in the scale that the beginning note of the 1st progression started on and repeats twice...then he swtiches keys from minor to major while keeping the properties of resolution of 5th's/3rds in mind the whole time as he eliminates the 2nd progression and plays the 1st progression of a different scale and the progession down immediately afterward in a 16th note pattern. at measure 36 seconds, he blends in the 16th note pattern of downward arpeggios letting one of them blend into the rest. he then proceeds to play in a pattern of: c,d,f,d and repeats that pattern in the same octave but not in that key....

he then at 43 seconds proceeds to keep the the bottom two notes but progesses through major and minor 5th's/3rd's base note in place of the f i placed up there still in a 16th note pattern in the adagio tempo. as this progresses, every now and then he'll triple pick the bottom notes....but it's in an ac/dc pattern like thunderstruck. he then chooses a note, as i said, cant tell you for sure what it is since im hurrying, but he then proceeds to go down 4 notes in the scale of the note he decided to stop on in a 16 th note pattern, always coming back up to the note before that original note of the 4 note progression....plays this 8 times at 56 seconds until the tension is resolved in the 5th chords going down. ..then after the bottom note is hit at 1:01, he plays sextuplets on the bottom note in 4/4 time at the original speed. then it sounds like he bends the note once, goes up possibly 2 octaves, and bends that note while coming back down and hitting the original low note and then ending in a high pitch pick

No no, don't hurry. Don't make excuses. You've got time Mr. Knowledge without knowledge.

So I'm going to assume you did the honourable thing and listened to the solo in An Ode to No One and listened to Eugene's Trick Bag the whole way through? (Or maybe you didn't, with the Thunderstruck remark).

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that after hearing Eugene's Trick Bag, you still believe Synyster is better, technically. I refuse to believe it.

-AC

of course that lower note is probably muted a lil...not for sure though, but most likely.....he then does sextuplet arpeggios at 1:05...he starts out by double picking the first few notes in a sixteenth note pattern but then quickly switches into a sextuplet pattern stopping 3 notes short of his finally arpeggio note and then hitting the 2 notes in between bfore ending on his final note..of course in a minor scale..but the last two notes make a transition back into a major scale..possibly C..these slow down of course...but still are in a 4/4 time signature....as i said this is a freely composed piece....speed will change to the way the soloist wants it to sound so sometime speed isnt a factor and sometimes it is.....there ya go...

look....i said that one part in the solo was like thunderstruck's intro...the way the notes progressed...that ONE part, but everything i named, ive heard synyster do...and it's in the other song that i critiqued. i didnt listen to both of them...i had to wait for this one to download so i was listening to it while it was downloading making sure i made ur time limit...now that i did that, it shows obviously that i know what im talking about and i dont just make stuff up.....and i didnt listen to the other one......im sorry, i critiqued both, like i normally do, and i dont see anything that synyster could not play by both of these critiques...if you allow synyster to sit down and think of an ingenious solo, he could do it, and many people would be impressed....all you hear right now is what's in his songs, and his solos in EVERY song contain elements of this guys solo everywhere, LISTEN TO END OF THE RAPTURE...it has alot of the elements in that song also.....but synyster elaborates on it with harmonic leads with zacky....and im sorry, but i do still believe that he is as good as these guys, even after technically critiquing it...why dont you go critique a song, and see if you know what you're talking about technically, it has yet to be proven........now, can we bury the hatchet?

Jesus Christ, it doesn't show that you're not making stuff up, it doesn't! What are you not getting? This is like talking to an actual brick wall.

"All you hear right now is what's in his songs". YES! That's the ORIGINAL debate, you moron. YOU are the one who started getting technical and you've only made it worse for yourself. I find Steve Vai, Joe Satriani etc very impressive, but not as impressive as a guitarist who can make awesome guitar music within a band without showing off. Synyster's work in Avenged is nothing special.

Last but not least: You claim you can hear everything by ear and that you could write a book on technique.

If this were true, you'd not be saying what you are, because Synyster isn't as good as that. That's how I know you're a bullshitter.

-AC