Avenged Sevenfold

i can understand if people like other guitarists better for the right reasons...yours, however, or for the wrong reasons. if someone can straight up tell me musically how they are better, ill be willing to listen. and another very wrong assumption to say someone you dont know has no technical knowledge..you can say this is bologna or do what you want with it....but, without being tripe, i have a major in music, including piano lessons for 8 years and drum lessons for 10 years, and a knowledge of most instruments in a band. ive got a good knowledge of technical music skills, the tools of counterpoint, musical melodies, etc..ive studied music by the musical geniuses in the classical era etc, and how they relate to today's music and i know synyster uses this knowledge also by the way the music is setup.

it's not denial either...i just take the knowledge i know and reflect on the music i hear. since im not skilled in guitar, yes i do ask other guitarists, ie the ones from MI, the ones in band, and ones from the places we perform at, what difference there is in the playing techniques that are incorporated on the guitar for the music they're playing, which gives a person an understanding of how advanced their music writing skills are and how advanced their actual playing skills are.

all ive asked for out of most of my posts is a logical, and i mean LOGICAL reason that their technicality is better....prove that these people can play more technical and advanced pieces..most common way, comparing a solo to synyster's solos and seeing if synyster incorporates that certain technique and musical difficulty as well, which you can do if you listen carefully. just because van halen supposedly invented all this stuff...(i believe it's been around for a long time, written by musical geniuses of the classical era who are more skilled than any of today's musicians..it's just been incorporated into rock music on a guitar).....then these new guitarists are taking it, blending, mixing it all up, and elaborating on what these guys did, but that doesnt mean that they didnt have the capability to come up with it themselves..that we will never know....but what they are doing with their elaboration on music, in my opinion, would make their predecessors very pleased.

Now, AC, its your choice on whether to write something...but, i'm seriously tired of hearing how it's suppose to be common knowledge...read my post before this and answer it..if you dont have an answer to this question that can really be technically proven, dont reply.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
listen alpha, im gonna be straight up with you...you either give me something musically technical that they play that exceeds synyster's playing ability or quit posting..it's simple, it's either you can do it or you can't....i mean, seriously, if they are common all-time greats, it should be easy to come up with something technical that they have over synyster....so, either post it, or keep quiet.

If you need ME to point it out why Jimi Hendrix is better than some average metal guitarist, you actually know nothing about music. The very fact that you think Synyster is better than the guitarists I mentioned proves this and anyone will tell you that. You go on about how fast Synyster plays, Steve Vai plays a guitar with three necks faster than Synyster plays one. Hendrix plays better with his teeth than most men do with their hands and when he turned up at a gig and they didn't have his guitar, he played a normal, RIGHT HANDED (he's a leftie) guitar, UPSIDE DOWN. I'm not going to sit here continually trying to convince you why Jimi Hendrix is better than a simple fast guitarist. You're going on like the man is some god, he's not. Stop fellating him.

The funniest part is how you're demanding all this technical info and you actually have no tech knowledge yourself, you only go by what people tell you and connect how much you like it with how difficult you think it is.

As for you calling Audioslave rip-offs, Avenged steal more from G'N'R than any other band. Everything they've got has been based on someone else.

-AC

then again, lana, giving ur all's post, your guys description doesnt show any proof, besides for you saying that your guitarists are that good just because they are, of them being able to contend with synyster...goes both ways kiddo......

anyways, getting back to the forum again...it seems its always being interrupted....yeah, there are pretty fast double bass/double kick players out there that probably have quicker speed than the rev...but what really impresses me the most is the combinations of advanced rhythms he throws out at times, especially live, and the length at which he extends these over 9 minute songs. he's a really unique talent and avenged is lucky to have a drummer of his caliber, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
just because van halen supposedly invented all this stuff...(i believe it's been around for a long time, written by musical geniuses of the classical era who are more skilled than any of today's musicians..it's just been incorporated into rock music on a guitar)

It hasn't. Where you believe it came from and where it came from are two different things. Sorry.

Stop talking about advanced technique, because you have no knowledge of it outside of what your buddies tell you to believe and you suck it up. Stop telling everyone to ignore common knowledge, because that's extremely hypocritical coming from someone who just agrees with guitarists because they go to a school.

Why would us proving it make any difference anyway? It's wasted on you because you don't know anything about technique, you said it yourself. So we'd be providing proof only for you to say "I don't agree" or "The guys at MI said you're wrong." You've already decided stupidly that Synyster is some legendary guitar god, better than the best untouchable guitarists. So what's the point? You're being an idiot. And I don't use that on members often, but you actually are a moron. You're talking about Jimi and Vai CONTENDING with Synyster. Synyster can't DREAM of trying to contend with them. It's not a matter of them contending with him.

FACT of the matter is, if you DID know anything about technique, there is NO POSSIBLE way that you would claim Synyster is what you say. Simple.

I want evidence of this school by the way. Links, references.

-AC

dude, dont even make me start on technical ability, i could write a book about it in this forum right now.....as for switching between right and left, even the lead singer of the ataris can switch from right to left handed playing...no accomplishment there......and im sure if synyster practiced playing with his teeth, he could do it as well as hendrix could...but, that wouldnt be too original now would it nor would it go with their style of music.

i told you technical stuff that doesnt include there good just because you say they are...and you couldnt do it, you to reply with the same ol'....shows the technical knowledge you have...what a dip, cant even answer a simple question in the line of music....ill give you time next time to go look something up on the internet. by the way, i obviously have enough knowledge of music to have the privivelege to drum instruct 2 drumlines here in southern indiana. but, as i said, stupidity is shown when a simple question cant be answered by someone, who is as fluent with music as yourself.

peace...hopefully this ends the little charade...now hopefully continuing on with the forum once again before being interrupted once again....

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
dude, dont even make me start on technical ability, i could write a book about it in this forum right now.....as for switching between right and left, even the lead singer of the ataris can switch from right to left handed playing...no accomplishment there......and im sure if synyster practiced playing with his teeth, he could do it as well as hendrix could...but, that wouldnt be too original now would it nor would it go with their style of music.

THINK! Just think about what you're saying. You're sitting there admitting to having no technical knowledge, then claiming you could write a book about it, THEN claiming Synyster is a better guitarist than the people I named. What the hell is wrong with you? You are so many different kinds of stupid, it's unreal.

There are MANY MANY of the world's best ever guitarists that regard Hendrix as the untouchable best. People who actually have mastered the instrument above most other people on this planet. Are you, someone with no technical knowledge outside of what he's told, gonna dispute them?

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
i told you technical stuff that doesnt include there good just because you say they are...and you couldnt do it, you to reply with the same ol'....shows the technical knowledge you have...what a dip, cant even answer a simple question in the line of music....ill give you time next time to go look something up on the internet. by the way, i obviously have enough knowledge of music to have the privivelege to drum instruct 2 drumlines here in southern indiana. but, as i said, stupidity is shown when a simple question cant be answered by someone, who is as fluent with music as yourself.

peace...hopefully this ends the little charade...now hopefully continuing on with the forum once again before being interrupted once again....

You actually radiate an aura that screams "I don't understand." Listen:

STOP talking about technical ability. All you know is what you are told, that's all. You're not making any sense. You are sucking up what you are told by friends, and guessing how difficult it is by how much you like it. Which is to the point of ejaculation it would seem.

You are discussing that which you ADMIT to having no knowledge on, what's wrong with you? Seriously.

Show me proof that you organise a drumline then. Show me proof that this institute exists. I'm still curious about that.

You haven't proven anything technical either, you've said a lot of pretty words, but you've not proven anything.

-AC

look, i instructed 2003 season and 2004 seasons at perry central and 2004 summer season at south spencer...records normally arent kept of past years, and im not telling anyone my name. im currently a transitional from music into mathematical teaching.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
look, i instructed 2003 season and 2004 seasons at perry central and 2004 summer season at south spencer...records normally arent kept of past years, and im not telling anyone my name. im currently a transitional from music into mathematical teaching.

I asked for proof.

Show me links, proof. I wanna know about this institute. Teachers, links etc.

-AC

i have also received the john philip sousa award and graduated with honors from college..not indicating what college and my name, as i have already admitted enough to give away my personal name which i hate because of freaks over the internet. im currently pursuing masters while transition, im the kind of guy who will sit down and critique concert/marching band music rather than listening to these bands.

as i said, they dont keep past records of past marching band seasons! but i can get some of the members who i instructed to vouch for me no problem.

past staff is almost always erased and practically impossible to find...but if i do find something, and i send it to you through messages, maybe such as a t-shirt photo from marching band season where my name is indicated, you're going to have to promise that you'll stop not knowing this technical stuff about music and promise not to give away my name..which i believe you'll respect that.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
i have also received the john philip sousa award and graduated with honors from college..not indicating what college and my name, as i have already admitted enough to give away my personal name which i hate because of freaks over the internet. im currently pursuing masters while transition, im the kind of guy who will sit down and critique concert/marching band music rather than listening to these bands.

Originally posted by Apocalypse9
past staff is almost always erased and practically impossible to find...but if i do find something, and i send it to you through messages, maybe such as a t-shirt photo from marching band season where my name is indicated, you're going to have to promise that you'll stop not knowing this technical stuff about music and promise not to give away my name..which i believe you'll respect that.

Forgive me if I call bullshit. Suddenly you're shaking in your boots.

Don't make such claims if you can't back them. You don't actually know anything technical, you haven't been 'in' this debate for a few pages, but now I'm curious as to just how full of it you are.

I think I actually know someone at Perry Central, so I'll be checking up on your claims.

-AC

go ahead..if you do just give me their name and i will tell them to give you a call right away..it would make this much simpler

No it's ok, I'll do my own research.

Either way, this has got pointless. You're full of crap, with regards to musical opinion and NOW I'm sure you're full of it in everything else. No matter what you are saying.

Lest we forget, being on a drumline doesn't give you some golden opinion of how good rock drummers are, or guitarists.

The thread is about the band, I was asked why I dislike them. Everyone good sad, depressed and started crying about it. Which ended up with us being here and you making claims that only solidify you as the most idiotic poster on these boards.

-AC

im the kind of guy who will sit down and critique concert/marching band music rather than listening to these bands.

Completely invalidated any opinion you have on this right here.

Besides which, quit asking us for reasons as to why Synyster's not as good as Hendrix, Vai, Van Halen, Satriani, and Morello. You're the one claiming he is, so it is solely up to you to provide proof. We're saying he isn't. You're making the positive statement so you must provide the proof.

Which is what I've said in about 5 posts since your last one 😉.

-AC

I said it more concisely 😛

Yeah well.....you suck.

-AC

full of crap? lol...petty at best. it seems that someone cant handle people having musical skill and expressing because poor alpha cant keep up with it...by the way, the 2004-2005 year at perry central high school was "it's an american tradition" music by aaron copland...hope you have more luck finding it than me, but nonetheless, you'll have what you want in about a week..all i got to do is call up director and get some pics..no big deal...

as for the rest of your post, dude, if you can't handle someone else possibly having more knowledge than you about musical concepts, dont even start in with them....i mean, if you are going to stoop to this level of kindergarten denial as you said i had but is more obvious in your last post, you might as well just give it up......no matter what anyone does, it's not gonna change your mind that these guitarists are the best......my mind has changed alot about which guitarist is the best...i used to idolize eddie van halen, jimmi hendrix, etc...it's all i grew up on, dad listened to it all the time....but over the years its changed, and i strongly believe for many right reasons that synyster is a serious competitor..now whether you do or dont, that's your opinion and everyone elses..but dont go into conversations blindly throwing out tidbits of information that are very debatable and claiming to be some kind of self-appointed expert on the subject......as for me, ive only made claims dealing with my knowledge of music at a college level of musical reasoning...there are many others who have surpassed that knowledge of reasoning and far be it from me to say without a doubt that synyster or anyone else is the best guitarist.....people of expertise disagree all the time, as well as college graduates, and even normal people with knowledge driven from just the net and listening to albums....but, what makes a difference is the way we go about discussing this......i already tried to make it an actual musical term talk, and you didnt like it because i think you knew right then and there that this guy might be more knowledgeable than me....no offense to all you other musically inclined people because there are probably some of those on this site that have had more experience than myself....but, this has in essence been between you and me....now we can bury the hatchett, or you can continue saying im full of crap while im asking for musically based relevance that ill probably never get. so, hopefully moving on for the very last time.....refer to post about rev's skill or zackyv/synyster duo, shadows voice, or whatever the heck us music fans want to talk about.....lets get this going again..

look, in response to lana, i did give a specific reason....about 50 posts ago..."he is able to triple stroke at insanely fast speeds (thus sextuplets), while playing patterns up and down the guitar, many times resembling arpeggios which are difficult to play when you are advancing 2-3 octave arpeggios, with sometimes grace notes in-between while progressing through this 2-3 octave arpeggio. But, the speed and that combined is incredibly hard to play. even sometimes play these in harmonic lead lines at the same speed which makes it insanely difficult" this is one reason i believe he plays at the level of these greats, but no one responded to it, so....but, anyways, as i said, bury the hatchett, lets get this going...