Cosmic Awareness is a b****, ain't it... And those examples show the inconsistency of Superman, and pretty much just comics in general... In a race, which would imply Superman moves as fast as possible, he moves 99% the speed of light, yet travels thousands of times the speed of light on different occasions. And yes, Supes would win in a slugfest. No, the fight won't come down to a slugfest.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer also would know that Superman is stronger than he is. He would avoid a slug-out. Even if Superman did try to slug it out, Surfer could phase through his punches, or avoid him altogether. If you take away all of Surfer's powers except for strength, of course he isn't a match for Superman.
Sufer is only fast in traveling speed not fighting or reflexive speeds. He will tag sufer alot of times.
Originally posted by dvampire
Sufer is only fast in traveling speed not fighting or reflexive speeds. He will tag sufer alot of times.
Originally posted by leonidas
hey cube, did ss actually scan glads on the spot there, or was he previously aware of the weakness? he could have learned of it in a number of ways. as i said, i can't recollect an instance where he actually scanned a foe and discovered a weakness. i don't have the book that scan's from though.
I'm postive he has done it, but I'll try and find one for ya Leo.
Originally posted by dvampire
Sufer is only fast in traveling speed not fighting or reflexive speeds. He will tag sufer alot of times.
more nonsense assumptions. Superman fans are really assuming a lot about Surfer. Oh, he can move at faster than light speeds and wave his arms around and stuff, but he cant PUNCH! or REACT!
Awesome post 😄 Well done
Originally posted by dvampire
I'm tired of poeple underestimating, Superman so I thought I'll be generous enough to give you guys some of his feats.Awesome post 😄 Well done
Resistance to blunt force trauma:
In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Superman was literally punched halfway across the planet-from Metropolis, he to literally landing in china-without any injury or loss of consciousness.
But forget about being punched across the planet to china, how about through the planet to China. In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his magically-created, brain damaged, "imperfect" duplicate) switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro's body) punched Bizarro (in Superman's body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Bizarro (in Superman's body) was salmmed in the through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was shown ripping straight through the Earth's crust, mantle, and core, coming out on the other side of the planet. Superman's body was fully conscious and completely unharmed by the blow (Bizarro was smiling as usual).
At times, Superman has faced impossibly powerful foes with strength even greater than his own. Though outmatched in strength, he still endured these beatings impressively. In Superman #22, he withstood several blows from Quex-El, a pocketverse Kryptonian whose strength seemed comparable to Pre-Crisis levels. In Action comics #591, he withstood blows from the Pre-Crisis Superboy (a being who could juggle planets and tow a solar system) without visible injury, but this may have been artistic license.
Extreme Displays of Durability:
In JLA/Starbreaker, the "destructive force of a nova" failed to do him in.
In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporrizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards.
In Action comics #696, Superman survived passage through a cosmic wormhole. According to current theroy, a cosmic wormhole is created when two piont singularities-i.e., two black holes- cause space- time to "fold", thus creating a passageway from one part of the universe to another. The forces involved should destroy all matter.
In JLA: Created Equal, Book 2, Superman survived passage through a black hole.
Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface Superman punched Lobo into orbit and beyond with one uppercut.
JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Maggeddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system.
Several events show Superman as a Moon-mover. In JLA #7, as Electro-Superman, he halted the fall of the Moon towards Earth (caused by Neron's magical machinations), then moved the Moon back to its proper position in orbit. He later commented that he's more powerful as "regular" Superman. Writer Grant Morrison and Artist Howard Porter had originally intened the Moon-moving event in JLA #7 be done by "regular" Superman, but DC forced them to use Electro-Supes. This event is butressed by several more. In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the "geometrically increasing force" that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last "moon-bracing" shift. In Superman: Man of Steel #30, Superman grabbed, easily broke the forward movement of, and easily threw in the opposite direction, a space ship the size of a small moon. In JLA#58, Superman, Wonder Wonman and Green Lantern cllaborated to tow Earth's moon a distance of 238,900 miles in mere seconds, indicating a fantastic acceleration, and then pulled the moon out of Earth's gravity (which increases its weight tremendously). As he is universally regared as the JLA's most powerful member, I'm inclined to give Superman more than one-thrid, and conservatively-about one-half, the work effort. In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman spilt one of saturn's moons in half. Saturn's moons are small moons. Earth's moon weighs around 8.1 quintillion tons (8, 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000).
In JLA #75, Superman, WW, and Martian Manhunter, combined their efforts to tow the Earth an undisclosed distance. Following the same logic as above, I give Superman a good one half the work effort. (the team began to "lose it" at the end, however, and were bailed out by the resurrected GL, his powers inexplicably aided by the magics of Manitou Raven) The Earth's weight ranges in the 6.5 sextillion tons range (6,500, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000).
With WW, Superman carries a mass that embodies the ENTIRE universe (Spectre). Comically, the comic notes that "eternity is heavy " (JLA/Spectre: Soul War 1).
JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time. Later, he produces static electricity sufficient to be "corralled" by GL John Stewart into containing the black hole. Superman then launches the black hole into a neighboring wormhole.
Superspeed feats:
After racing the Man of Steel, Impulse stated that Superman travels at 99% of the speed of light.
War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.
Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip.
In JLA #51, Superman apparently made the trip from Saturn to Earth in a matter of seconds.
In Superman #153, a trip from Saturn to the sun (27 light minutes) and back again (for a total of 54 light minutes) was completed in mere monents by the Man of Steel. This works out to about 3000 times the speed of light (which really needs to be fixed, I don't think that anyone should move that fast).
Superman/Doomsday:Hunter/Prey, Book one: Superman stated he is now capable of space travel, and requires only a star chart and directions to Apokolips (apparently unaware it is located in another dimension).
Superman #13:flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1, 000, 000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.
Man of Steel #110😖tanding in one spot, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body invisible.
Superman #175: Taking another trick from the flash's book of tricks, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body intangible, thus allowing Doomsday punches and fire breath to pass harmlessly through him. A body moving at light speed within the atmosphere will become intangible (thats how the Flash does it).
Return of Superman😖uperman used his super speed to vibrate his arm so fast, it shattered the Cyborg's body into hundreds of fragments.
War of the Gods #4😖uperman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA:Heavens Ladder, it is stated Superman can race a photon to its target.
Heat Vision:
Superman #167:His power waning under a red sun, Superman still summoned enough heat vision to successfully power Jor-EL's planet-moving ion engines. The planet in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's. Superman's heat vision has a maximum range of at least 239,000 miles (the distance from the Earth to the Moon). In Superman #101, he let out a beam from Earth's surface that scorched the surface of the moon. Kryto did, too.
New Gods #10 (second series): Superman used his heat vision to couterize tears in the fabric of reality as caused by S'ivaa.
Back to Action Comics #782 (I had a hard time finding this one in my room):After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWarworld engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance to Superman's push. We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld's surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorld's engines allow WarWorld to travel at light speed through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Krptonian does not have that power!" Braniac's disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld's engines had no shortage of power; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex-energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex's reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies"😉.
Action comics #17:Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht'ros) war technology.
Action comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman twice defeated alien Armadas, each capable of destroying a planet.
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Originally posted by whirlysplat
But the power cosmic did not work on the Cyborg 😄 Who supes always beats and has similair powers, Why?
maybe because surfer is a pacifist and didn´t fought with all he got, or maybe, just maybe all the marvel/dc crossovers sucks.
next time someone will say wolverine has a chance of beating superman, because he defeated Lobo in a crossover comic.
saying supes over ss is a little bit different than wolvie over lobo or wolvie over supes . . .
and people ALWAYS say ss is a pacifist, that's why he didn't do this, didn't do that . . .
supes is also a pacifist and only VERY rarely unleashes his full power. both COULD win this fight, but ss has the better chance and will win if he uses his powers correctly.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
But the power cosmic did not work on the Cyborg 😄 Who supes always beats and has similair powers, Why?
I've already explained this many times. Surfer was not trying to destroy the Cyborg. He only tried to restrain him. Besides, the fight was interrupted. Crossovers aren't a good way to gauge a character's power.
Dvampire's entire post is copied and pasted from another website. I don't mean to discredit him, but the truth is that it isn't his research.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Red Sun Radiation does not always removesupes powers, I think For surfer to win it has to be the same as against gladiator he has to use Kryptonite wavelengths otherwise he gets beaten up. 😄
This is far from the truth. There are a multitude of means by which Surfer could win this fight. The only way Superman can win this fight is physically. His only means of attack is punching Surfer, which he won't be able to do. If you remove all of Surfer's abilities except strength, of course Superman wins. You're totally ignoring the Silver Surfer's powers.
Red Sunlight had quite an effect on Superman in Action Comics #826. Can you provide an instance when it did not affect Superman?
Originally posted by leonidas
saying supes over ss is a little bit different than wolvie over lobo or wolvie over supes . . .and people ALWAYS say ss is a pacifist, that's why he didn't do this, didn't do that . . .
supes is also a pacifist and only VERY rarely unleashes his full power. both COULD win this fight, but ss has the better chance and will win if he uses his powers correctly.
We've seen Superman going all out. It's nothing compared to when the Silver Surfer goes all out. Silver Surfer holds back far more often than not. Superman periodically lets go during his fights. I wouldn't classify him as a pacifist. He just doesn't like to kill. Surfer hates to fight, period.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer also would know that Superman is stronger than he is. He would avoid a slug-out. Even if Superman did try to slug it out, Surfer could phase through his punches, or avoid him altogether. If you take away all of Surfer's powers except for strength, of course he isn't a match for Superman.
Thats Supes trick. Not Surfers.
If they phased through each others attacks...they would probably end up talking at some point and not actually fighting.