Hulk smashes a hole through Doom's bone chest, killing him.
Doom comes back with a reinforced bone chest so that he can't be killed by a blow like that again.
Hulk smashes the chest harder, killing him.
Doom comes back with a re-reinforced bone chest so that he can't be killed by a blow like that again.
repeat.........repeat.... repeat...
Eventually DD will be a giant block of bone with tiny little arms and legs sticking out that can't even move him around anymore, much less leave him able to fight.
At this point Hulk can just walk around him spitting on him.. maybe decide to do the same thing to his head to see if he can eventually mutate him into a bobble-head.
DD's greatest strength can be his greatest weakness
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubereally? cause I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him at that state... one....
Hulk can normally increase his strength to that level, given time and stress, without psychic intervention. Hulk getting angry requires a plot device. The "plot device" card can't be pulled in this situation.
the thread already says hulk.. so we know that the initial anger has caused him to become hulk in the first place.. no reason to assume the reason continues to give him stress.. he's turned hulk due to being bit by a snake before... I sincerely doubt his ability to get to onslaught levels of rage cause of a snake bite though...
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubehe going to if he wants to win the fight...
Hulk doesn't need to be at Onslaught anger levels to perform greater feats of strength than Supes, or Doomsday.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The purpose of the matter-antimatter feat was to show that Hulk's strength can be equally as infinite as the force of attraction between matter and antimatter. He did stalemate the orbs. They weren't converging. He defied the laws of physics.
comic characters defy laws of physics on a daily basis tis no great accomplishment to do so in the books... however my opinion on the matterhasn't changed so we must then agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He punched a dead rock with twice the mass of the Earth, and reduced it to rubble. That isn't impressive? Punching strength directly correlates to lifting strength in comic books. Besides, which is more relevant to a fight? Punching, or lifting?
people can punch with a force that's 8 times greater than the amount they can lift...
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I highly doubt Doomsday's fighting speed is anywhere near as fast as Flash's, or even Superman's. In fact, I'm positive that it isn't.
what has drawn you to this conclusion? even an enhanced superman was making the claims that doomsday was fighting on a level faster than supes himself could keep up.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I think I was a little overenthusiastic in some of my earlier posts. Allow me to apologize, Jinzin. I wasn't giving Doomsday all the credit he deserves.
it's a comic debate.. sometimes they just get heated... it's understandible.. no need to apologize... as long as you are more educated in the character and his abilities than you were before and are aware of that fact, then I've done my job.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubewhile I have no problems admitting that he CAN ascend to a level of strength higher than that of doomsday... It's simply too likely that doomsday would beat himdown before that ever became an issue.. furthermore, it's reasonable to assume dd would overcome hulks strength with his own evolution in one way or another as the fight progressed... on top of that coupled with doomsday's bone protrusians and fighting speed, I simply don't think hulk can win this...
Obviously, Savage Hulk isn't going to be able to get mad enough to defeat God Doomsday without some form of external influence (like, Jean grey) before he gets the crap pounded out of him. However, Savage Hulk could become strong enough to defeat him all by himself, if he had a sufficient source of anger.For example, if something happened that would cause Savage Hulk to go absolutely bananas, (for instance, someone tells him that Doomsday killed someone close to him, whether it's true or not,) any form of Doomsday would have a fight on his hands. Savage Hulk's strength would shoot right past his, and continue to rise until the fight was over. But without a plot device, Savage Hulk obviously gets wasted..
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
However, Mindless Hulk, at the peak of his power, was physically undefeatable. That is why I stand firmly behind my belief that he would not lose to any form of Doomsday.
doomsday at the peak of his is much the same... while I don't believehe would beat dd.. you are coming closer to making me change my opinion that it would at least be a stalemate...
Originally posted by olympian
"That's debateable.In case you didn't notice, the Hulk isn't a human"
But Banner who is inside him is. It gets that way when he doesnt have Banner`s influence inside him like ala Mindless Hulk.
Savage Hulk is not really influenced by Bruce Banner. Mindless Hulk isn't influenced by Banner at all.
Originally posted by jinzin
it's a comic debate.. sometimes they just get heated... it's understandible.. no need to apologize... as long as you are more educated in the character and his abilities than you were before and are aware of that fact, then I've done my job.while I have no problems admitting that he CAN ascend to a level of strength higher than that of doomsday... It's simply too likely that doomsday would beat himdown before that ever became an issue.. furthermore, it's reasonable to assume dd would overcome hulks strength with his own evolution in one way or another as the fight progressed... on top of that coupled with doomsday's bone protrusians and fighting speed, I simply don't think hulk can win this...
doomsday at the peak of his is much the same... while I don't believehe would beat dd.. you are coming closer to making me change my opinion that it would at least be a stalemate...
Thanks, Jinzin.
The bony protrusions wouldn't be a big problem. Hulk's durability increases with rage over time as well. Hulk's fighting speed is far greater than many are willing to admit, and it has been consistantly shown that it only increases with his anger. If Hulk did reach Hunter/Prey DD's level of strength, he would have a fight on his hands. It would depend on how much stronger Hulk became (which can be gradual, or exponential, depending on his rage) and how often Doomsday adapted during the fight. However, I will say this: Hulk has proven that there is no limit to his strength, but, although he's never failed, Doomsday hasn't proven that there's no limit to his evolution.
I don't know about Doomsday stalemating Mindless Hulk. The Beyonder was the 'God' of the Marvel universe with infinite power, and Mindless Hulk wrestled him to a standstill. I don't really think Doomsday could do the same, but I'm open to convincing.
DD's level of adapting is rediculous, you saw Waverider trying to use Chronal Cosmic energy on him, and he actually backfired it and used it AGAINST him?
Or when Superman flew away and suddenly DD was shooting his bones out, and through Superman's shoulder, then reeling Superman in?
If there's any way to win the fight, DD would likely adapt to do it.
To me... Doomsday is everything Hulk should have always been.
The ultimate evolver.
Originally posted by Juntai
DD's level of adapting is rediculous, you saw Waverider trying to use Chronal Cosmic energy on him, and he actually backfired it and used it AGAINST him?Or when Superman flew away and suddenly DD was shooting his bones out, and through Superman's shoulder, then reeling Superman in?
If there's any way to win the fight, DD would likely adapt to do it.
To me... Doomsday is everything Hulk should have always been.
The ultimate evolver.
Waverider was trying to find his central nervous system. All he got was feedback.
Hulk's rage can make him strong enough to perform insane feats as well. He's just more inconsistant because he's had more writers and appearance.
In a way, I agree, Juntai.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeIf Hulk started the fight with prep to be mad enough or something, I could see this fight going on near forever with no clear victor..
Waverider was trying to find his central nervous system. All he got was feedback.Hulk's rage can make him strong enough to perform insane feats as well. He's just more inconsistant because he's had more writers and appearance.
In a way, I agree, Juntai.
Originally posted by Juntai
If Hulk started the fight with prep to be mad enough or something, I could see this fight going on near forever with no clear victor..
Other than that, I've seen too many people run up and punch Hulk down off the bat to believe he could stand in a normal encounter.
But that would mean that isn't impossible to defeat Doomsday in a fight, because he would immediately adapt to your powerset. That clearly isn't the case.
Actually, now that I think of it, other than the Onslaught fight, I can't think of any villain Hulk has fought that he couldn't become stronger than. Heck, Hulk was even able to become stronger than Galaxy Master, (who's sorta like Imperiex,) without any sort of help. The Onslaught fight is just one inconsistency, and to be quite honest, the entire Onslaught saga was a continuity mess. Why would any version of Doomsday be too strong for Savage Hulk to get stronger than? He's never had that problem in the past.