Hulk vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by jinzin
but it would take a major plot device or amount of time for hulk to even reach that state of rage... he doesn't normally do that.. thus it was induced by plot device.. if he can't normally reach that state of rage why do you assume that he should be considered to be given the benefit of the doubt that he will? 🤨 I suppose every thread should automatically default to a characters strongest incarnation plot device or no huh?

every thread involving thing should be about spiky thing, every thread involving batman should be when he was augmented by magic, every thread involving spiderman should use cosmic spidey as the default...

that doesn't make any sense.

I understand it just fine.. and if the magnitude needed to push those apart was infinate, than they simply would have stalemated the hulk indefinitely... converging together as they were, would have resulted in a universal black hole yet that didn't happen and yet hulk resisted it.. I gather from that, that the device isn't all you crack it up to be... simple as.

I have seen hulk do it.. I didn't say he didn't do it... where did you get that from? 🤨

like how hulk doesn't normally reach the amount of stress he needs to fight onslaught?

he punched a dead rock, who hasn't... hell gladiator's done that... superman's done more of the same.. punching power doesn't equate to lifting strength.

I recall him getting staggered by heavy debris... suffice it to say doomdsay's punch would be much more effective than debris...

Hulk can normally increase his strength to that level, given time and stress, without psychic intervention. Hulk getting angry requires a plot device. The "plot device" card can't be pulled in this situation.

Hulk doesn't need to be at Onslaught anger levels to perform greater feats of strength than Supes, or Doomsday.

The purpose of the matter-antimatter feat was to show that Hulk's strength can be equally as infinite as the force of attraction between matter and antimatter. He did stalemate the orbs. They weren't converging. He defied the laws of physics.

He punched a dead rock with twice the mass of the Earth, and reduced it to rubble. That isn't impressive? Punching strength directly correlates to lifting strength in comic books. Besides, which is more relevant to a fight? Punching, or lifting?

Originally posted by olympian
"would say that while doomsday may not have been fighting as fast as flash he was fightig at comparitive speeds.."

Like at the same footing?

Nah, otherwise pll wouldnt be able to perceive his moves.

"Not Savage Hulk. It's just "The Hulk." He's unidentifiable. Last I saw him he was in "Grizzly Hulk." The story sucked."

I get lost with so many versions honestly. He had his most recent low showing (also bad writting) when Spidey Ko him. That was Savage or "Grizzly"?

What about when that snake chocked him? Was it during Pad`s run? Probably Merged then.

Awright. Ill just call him Green Hulk.

It was just a green Hulk. Not Savage Hulk.

Hulk is a jobber nowadays. He ALWAYS gets jobbed in fights against Spidey or Wolverine, just for the sake of the fanboys. But, fanboys = $

Originally posted by jinzin
I would say that while doomsday may not have been fighting as fast as flash he was fightig at comparitive speeds..

I highly doubt Doomsday's fighting speed is anywhere near as fast as Flash's, or even Superman's. In fact, I'm positive that it isn't.

"Hulk is a jobber nowadays. He ALWAYS gets jobbed in fights against Spidey or Wolverine, just for the sake of the fanboys. But, fanboys = $"

Honestly, everyone does. Heracles jobbed once also. Mcsterson Thor looked like a chump against Spiderman on another ocassion.

And Spidey? Wolverine only constantly loses against him. Thats how big the bug is 😉

Originally posted by olympian
Honestly, everyone does. Heracles jobbed once also. Mcsterson Thor looked like a chump against Spiderman on another ocassion.

And Spidey? Meh Wolverine only constantly loses against him. Thats how big the bug is 😉

Have they made Spidey class 100 yet?

No, but it sure looks like from some showings.

Like dancing around Hulk and flipping him of his back like Wondy did against the Mindless Byrne animal.

Cash cows are indeed cl 100 after all. 😛

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I highly doubt Doomsday's fighting speed is anywhere near as fast as Flash's, or even Superman's. In fact, I'm positive that it isn't.

Superman has said on numerous occasions that Doomsday is fast enough that it's hard for him to keep up.

Hulk can only get so angry. Doomsday take's him out. But this is a fight of two dumb ass's. Theyre both stupid as hell. Doomsday beat Superman, that's got to count for somethin.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Hulk can only get so angry. Doomsday take's him out. But this is a fight of two dumb ass's. Theyre both stupid as hell. Doomsday beat Superman, that's got to count for somethin.

Hulk has no limit to how angry he can become. He has no limit to how strong he can become.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk has no limit to how angry he can become. He has no limit to how strong he can become.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
A human brain only allows you to become angry to a certain point over that point you cant get any angier.

That's debateable.

In case you didn't notice, the Hulk isn't a human.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
A human brain only allows you to become angry to a certain point over that point you cant get any angier.

Angry enough to have a stroke 🙂

Originally posted by Gandhi_of_KMC
Angry enough to have a stroke 🙂

Exactly. But Hulk's anger doesn't seem to have any detrimental effects on him. He's been pissed off to levels that would kill any human, and he has continued to grow angrier without ever stopping.

I think I was a little overenthusiastic in some of my earlier posts. Allow me to apologize, Jinzin. I wasn't giving Doomsday all the credit he deserves.

Obviously, Savage Hulk isn't going to be able to get mad enough to defeat God Doomsday without some form of external influence (like, Jean grey) before he gets the crap pounded out of him. However, Savage Hulk could become strong enough to defeat him all by himself, if he had a sufficient source of anger.

For example, if something happened that would cause Savage Hulk to go absolutely bananas, (for instance, someone tells him that Doomsday killed someone close to him, whether it's true or not,) any form of Doomsday would have a fight on his hands. Savage Hulk's strength would shoot right past his, and continue to rise until the fight was over. But without a plot device, Savage Hulk obviously gets wasted.

However, Mindless Hulk, at the peak of his power, was physically undefeatable. That is why I stand firmly behind my belief that he would not lose to any form of Doomsday.

But the fight isn't considering mindless hulk, it merely said "Hulk" and "Doomsday", meaning both at normal, but optimal fighting caliber. As you said, Hulk would savagely get wasted.
Though I do agree that is believable that Hulk could possibly be mad enough to be stronger than DD.

Originally posted by Juntai
But the fight isn't considering mindless hulk, it merely said "Hulk" and "Doomsday", meaning both at normal, but optimal fighting caliber. As you said, Hulk would savagely get wasted.
Though I do agree that is believable that Hulk could possibly be mad enough to be stronger than DD.

That isn't really fair. Everyone is picking and choosing their Doomsday. Use current, (not future) mainstream universe Doomsday, with no power enhancements.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That isn't really fair. Everyone is picking and choosing their Doomsday. Use current, (not future) mainstream universe Doomsday, with no power enhancements.

Originally posted by Juntai
Most of the times we've seen ACTUAL Doomsday [such as original doomsday, hunter/prey doomsday, OWAW Doomsday when he was fighting off Imperiex probes AND Superman at the same time], he's been nigh undefeatable, however the clones and knockoffs were defeated with ease. The knockoffs and clones had the powers sure, but none of the effectiveness.

I'm not talking about the varying levels of power Doomsday has shown over tim. I'm talking about current Doomsday at normal power levels, with no powerups or enhancements. It's not fair for you to limit Hulk to jus "current normal Hulk" and not place the same parameters on Doomsday. If truth, all Hulk's are 'current,' because they all exist at the same time in the same body. That's not true for Doomsday.

Is this for real? Doomsday would wipe his ass with Hulk.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Is this for real? Doomsday would wipe his ass with Hulk.

No way. Hulk would stomp the tar out of Doomsday, over and over. He's too strong for him.