Flash vs. Spider-Man

Started by Kuntz27 pages

I summarise and explain processing speed

Originally posted by Kuntz
Ah but CM a belief that you have to be intelligent if you are fast just doesn't work. I know my times tables there if someone says 7 x 6 etc I can answer far quicker than someone more intelligent than me who does not know their tables as I react to the question more rapidly. A Flash that can think at the speed of light doesn't have to know his times-tables or be smart to answer quicker than me as he can add 7 x 6 together faster than my taught response can react.

This is what Creshok is arguing in my opinion and its unwinnable. light travels 33, 000, 000 metres in a second. The action potential and NCV Nerve conduction velocity in a human nerve whilst varying depending on the thickness of the myelin sheath and the second messenger is 10 of millions of times slower. Wally could potentially think a whole a whole months thoughts in a second. Interesting less seconds exist in a year than metres travelled by light in a second roughly 31, 400, 000 seconds rounded down. Flash really can do a lot of thinking he doesn't have to be intelligent, his fast.

Very fast. Although nothing compared to the fastest characters in comics the Warpsmiths from Miracleman who could be anywhere instantly. They didn't think as fast or move as fast as flash though they just controlled spacetime. [/QUOTE

CM understand everything

[QUOTE=4629892]Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Agreed here, peter is more intelligent, though he cannot "think" as fast, flash can simply get the advantage for that reason, his mind is more complex, but faster, I agree with you here.

My previous post was sarcasm, not aimed at you,lol.

Agreed

Agreed,lol. I wasn't talking about you.

Crshock replies with nothing to do with the original question

Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't have to know what you're doing in order to do something.

Thats a ridiculous argument. So paper can't hold ink because it doesn't know that its holding ink.

Ink can't come in different colors because it doesn't know that it is coming in different colors.

Chess computers can't play chess because they don't know they're playing chess.

Wires can't transmit electricity because they don't know they're transmitting electricity.

It's a ridiculous argument.

The chess computers play chess because that's what they are programmed to do. My computer can't play chess as well as Deep Blue because it's not programmed to.

If Wally never learned quantum physics he'd never be able to solve problems that require it, not matter how fast he thinks. Because he will never come up with the right answer because he wouldn't know how to come up with the answer.

It doesn't matter how fast you arrive at a conclusion, if that conclusion is wrong.

If Flash doesn't know how to do something, thinking fast will only have him arrive at the wrong conclusion faster.

Which I point out

Originally posted by Kuntz
Some of what your saying is right in some parts you've missed the point of the previous posts completely. bored now.

-Kuntz 🙂

He deviates again

Originally posted by Kuntz
Some of what your saying is right in some parts you've missed the point of the previous posts completely. bored now.

-Kuntz 🙂

and again

Originally posted by Creshosk
And people say that you're a good debator. . yet you can't understand simple concepts.

If you can't come up with the right scenerio, then you won't come up with the right scenerio, no matter how many scenerio's you go over nor how fast you go.

Computers can come up with the right scenerio because its already there.

If flash doesn't know there is a forecfield up ahead, he's not going to be able to factor it in to any of his scenerios.

If he doesn't know how to devise a battle strategy then he's not going to come up with the right battle strategy.

A thousand monkies banging away on a thousand type writers for a thousand years will never come up with the works of shakespere.

Function more as a human brain and grasp meaning, rather than a computer that only goes off of literal meaning.

So he really hasn't a clue 😂

-Kuntz

Originally posted by Kuntz
CM understands and chips in

I agree with him

Oh right Computers can't process the probabilites because they don't even know what the probabilites are. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh right Computers can't process the probabilites because they don't even know what the probabilites are. . .

😂 they have a program which says yes no maybe these are all options 😂 options = choices = probabilities

0 and 1 are options and therefore probabilities

have you ever tossed a coin🙂

-Kuntz

Originally posted by Kuntz
I summarise and explain processing speed

Crshock replies with nothing to do with the original question

Which I point out

He deviates again

and again

So he really hasn't a clue 😂

-Kuntz

And lacking anyway to ACTUALLY refute my points. Whirly here tangents off with a recap of his take on the fight. Once again showcasing his lack of understanding of what I'm saying.

Yes a wonderful debator. 🙄

And since he can't follow the train of thought he think's that I am deviating.

Originally posted by Kuntz
01 are options and therefore probabilities
and 0 and 1 can never be interpreted into moving a knight to take a queen because Computers don't know what a knight is or what a queen is.

🙄

Originally posted by Kuntz
😂 they have a program which says yes no maybe these are all options 😂 options = choices = probabilities
They don't have any such thing, all they have are 1's 0's ands, ors and ifs.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And lacking anyway to ACTUALLY refute my points. Whirly here tangents off with a recap of his take on the fight. Once again showcasing his lack of understanding of what I'm saying.

Yes a wonderful debator. 🙄

And since he can't follow the train of thought he think's that I am deviating.


No because your points have nothing to do with the concept of processing speed or probabilities🙂

Its an old tactic when you know your wrong talk about something else or result to personal abuse 😂

Thay are all you have shown🙂

-Kuntz 🍺

Originally posted by Kuntz
No because your points have nothing to do with the concept of processing speed or probabilities🙂
My point is that it doesn't matter how fast you process if you can't come up with the right probability.

Is that simple enough for you?

My minesweeper program can never beat me at chess. Even though it processes as fast as my chess program.

Why? because it's not programmed to. It doesn't have the programming, it doesn't know HOW to calculate the probabilites for selecting the right move in chess.

Originally posted by Kuntz
Its an old tactic when you know your wrong talk about something else or result to personal abuse 😂
You're the master at that tactic.

Originally posted by Kuntz
Thay are all you have shown🙂

-Kuntz 🍺

They are all you've been able to understand, which is why they seem to be your primary tactic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
My point is that it doesn't matter how fast you process if you can't come up with the right probability.

Is that simple enough for you?

My minesweeper program can never beat me at chess. Even though it processes as fast as my chess program.

Why? because it's not programmed to. It doesn't have the programming, it doesn't know HOW to calculate the probabilites for selecting the right move in chess.

You're the master at that tactic.

They are all you've been able to understand, which is why they seem to be your primary tactic.

No I agreed with your arguments they just weren't the ones originally being discussed. On those you simply didn't understand if you are processing at the speed of light you can go through a lot of options very quickly. Which would when talking tens of millions of cals more often than not lead to the right answer. Thats how computers and the flash can work.

thats the argument and on that part you thought top computers could lose at chess when I showed you they didn't you started with tangents nothing to do with the original ideas.

Its no biggie😄

-Kuntz

So...Flash totally stomps Spidey.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So...Flash totally stomps Spidey.

Exactly 🙂

Originally posted by Kuntz
No I agreed with your arguments they just weren't the ones originally being discussed.
I was answering a question.

"If flash thinks so fast why does he still screw up."

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So...Flash totally stomps Spidey.
Totally and completely.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I was answering a question.

"If flash thinks so fast why does he still screw up."

Bad writing

-Kuntz

Originally posted by Kuntz
Bad writing

-Kuntz

That's also a lazy write off. . . just as "because it's a comic" is.

Fast does not always mean good, as far as thinking goes.

Speed doesn't matter if you come up with the wrong answer.

"Slow thinking and getting the wrong answer" isn't much different than "Fast thinking and getting the wrong answer".

Because you still come up with the wrong answer.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's also a lazy write off. . . just as "because it's a comic" is.

Fast does not always mean good, as far as thinking goes.

Speed doesn't matter if you come up with the wrong answer.

"Slow thinking and getting the wrong answer" isn't much different than "Fast thinking and getting the wrong answer".

Because you still come up with the wrong answer.

However if you have 10 millions thoughts conservative estimate to everyone elses 1 and you are of average intelligence Wally is a graduate so he is a bove average intelligence. Chances are 10 million to 1 in your favour.
thats how Chess computers work. Wally actually has advantages in the way he processes info in comparison to a computer so his chances should be even higher.

So it has to be bad writing🙂

-Kuntz🍺

Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't have to know what you're doing in order to do something.

Thats a ridiculous argument. So paper can't hold ink because it doesn't know that its holding ink.

Ink can't come in different colors because it doesn't know that it is coming in different colors.

Chess computers can't play chess because they don't know they're playing chess.

Wires can't transmit electricity because they don't know they're transmitting electricity.

It's a ridiculous argument.

The chess computers play chess because that's what they are programmed to do. My computer can't play chess as well as Deep Blue because it's not programmed to.

If Wally never learned quantum physics he'd never be able to solve problems that require it, not matter how fast he thinks. Because he will never come up with the right answer because he wouldn't know how to come up with the answer.

It doesn't matter how fast you arrive at a conclusion, if that conclusion is wrong.

If Flash doesn't know how to do something, thinking fast will only have him arrive at the wrong conclusion faster.

Not my point, but do you think computers are cognitive, sentient beings?

Originally posted by Creshosk
The original point was:

Quality over Quantity. It doesn't matter how fast you do something if you don't do it right.

Not always true, peter is smarter, but if flash reaches his conclusion first....

Would you rather have filet mignon for a month 1 time, or a months supply of normal food.

Spiderman Vs The Flash( Yes has been done but Can't find it)

If you find the other one, put a link in here. Anyway Logically, How can Flash hit Spiderman ?

Sure he goes fast as hell, but an early warning system like Precog, could easily make him move out of the way.

Spidey could dodge then, post little web traps all over the place, untill The Flash makes get caught, in a web that hold buildings togather.