One betrayal more in man spider 2, doc ock wont be myopic

Yeah I read about that too. Didn't we talk about it too?

But yeah, even then, the spider would have needed a REASON to pass on its powers, the reason was the fact it got iradiated and was about to die. In the movie, there was no reason, it was just an aggressive little critter, that's what I meant.

Posted by Max: "thats way i think i am a true fan."

Why has this 'true fan' thing suddenly popped up? WHo the hell cares? I have loved Spider-Man forever, and I'm more than happy to welcome people to the 'fold' as it were. I don' think it should matter if you liked him before the movie or if the movie turned you on to him. It doesn't matter. If you like Spidey more power to ya, no matter how or when you became a fan.
The spider being a super spider is just one of those things I think we all need to live with, like the Goblin and organic webbing. Although, I would love to hear Sam's reasoning behind why he changed ot from the radioactive spider.
I still think that radiation experiments, in today's context, are watched and monitored pretty carefully. I don't think a spider would be able to make it into something like that, not that in the movie it would have to be realistic. It would have been cool to see a radioactive spider, but in my boo, wasn't necessary. It just would have been cool if they had done it another way.

well heres my rant about the Spiderman films.....
the "power ranger" Goblin was pretty terrible.

but could they have taken the original costume and expected a better reation?

I dont think so, it worked in comics but if sombody looks like that on the big screen he will be luaghed at not feared. the real Goblin costumes that I feel would have made a good transition are
Phil Ulrich the 4th Goblin and coolest looking IMO

and maybe the second costume Norman wore that looked like what the movie version should have been.

I don't know. Looking at the picture you have posted (which I have seen many time) Id on't think it looks to horrible. When he's on the glider it actually, kinda, sorta, maybe, works just a little bit.

well it does work on the glider, and in the dark. but when he was fighting in the broad daylight he looked a little goofy.

Or when he was off the glider, but Willem still pulled off the Goblin.

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I didn't hate the Spiderman movie entirely because of the changes, but the changes were a factor in that film's downfall. Also the fact that a lot of the changes didn't really have to be made. The web-shooters arguement for example: would it really of hurt Sam Raimi's butget to show a couple of scenes of Peter Parker making a webshooter then for the rest of the film you wouldn't have to deal with it anymore(apart when he runs out of web capsules in mid-slinging). And if they are introducing the Green Goblin then they should have touched upon the death of Gwen Stacey because that would have at least provided some torment for the Peter Parker character to build up on and show in the second movie but thats obviously not the case.
Also if the guy playing Doctor Octopus has a cheesy German accent then I will make it my sole ambition to discredit every movie endorsed by MARVEL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE DECENT FILMS

you know what costume would of looked great for the movie, the one norman wore in Return Of The Goblin.

yeah thats my second favorite, but Phil Ulrich still looked the coolest IMO

"The films' downfall"? I never knew 400 million dollars could be considered a downfall.
I don't think the web shooters being put in the movie would be as simple as everyone thinks. A few scenes of him making web shooters would have kept the fans happy, but think of the rest of the audience. In the comic he didn't even make the web shooters. He had them from a previous science experiment.
Think about how much it would have sucked, "look, I created webbing and shooters to propel the webbing in my bedroom. It's great that I was able to do it so quickly even though no technology like this exists." Throwing it in too quick, which is what everyone seems to want, would have sucked more than the organics.

Yeah I thought the darker, more sinister Green Goblin (the modern 4th version) would have been a great Green Goblin design.

And Zeph, the poster of the GG on his glider does look REALLY cool. I like it. I was so hyped for the movie after seeing pics of the Goblin like that. The trouble comes when you see Goblin MOVING. It works as a single frame, a picture, but does not stand up when put as part of a moving picture, that face needed to move dammit.

Also, did you guys know what I was on about with the "original concept" Goblin suit? I think its on the Spiderman DVD. If you haven't seen it yet, you need to, you will realise just how wrong the Goblin was.

I'm glad they stuck with the original Spiderman outfit. I thought the way they changed the suit (the red spider on the back) a little made it even better than the comic book version imo. I saw the concept art for what they were ORIGINALLY going to use as Spidermans costume (it's again, on the DVD - and an alternate costume in the Spiderman Movie videogame), that looked awful. I think it was Alex Ross who designed them

So yeah, I wish they used Alex Ross's Green Goblin (which didn't look too far removed from that 4th comic book version of him), but I'm glad they at least kept Spiderman in his original duds.

I would love to know who the "yes man" was who was responsible for pushing the "Power Ranger Goblin" in favour of the Alex Ross version. THEY ALMOST USED IT!

I think they might have thrown in the Alex Ross version of the Spider-Man suit (which is the same one as in the game) just to make people think they had considered it. In reality, I doubt they would have ever really changed the Spider-Man costume from the classis we all know and love. Just like they never really would have changed Superman or Batman. The costume is a major part of who Spider-Man was.

damn straight, and i forget who said it but 400 million buckaroos is definetly not a faliure

Originally posted by Zephonim
I think they might have thrown in the Alex Ross version of the Spider-Man suit (which is the same one as in the game) just to make people think they had considered it. In reality, I doubt they would have ever really changed the Spider-Man costume from the classis we all know and love. Just like they never really would have changed Superman or Batman. The costume is a major part of who Spider-Man was.

I never said I wanted them to change SPIDER-MANS outfit. Have you seen the Alex Ross version? It's awful compared to classic Spidey.

Also, in the comics, they changed the costume with black spidey, and also when Ben Reilly took over as Spidey - it didn't work. Everyone (including myself) really wanted them to use the original costume again. You cannot improve on perfection.

Hey, I was thinkin - what if everybody loved the black spiderman SO MUCH that they kept it (because as we all know they do what the fans want). We'd never have got Venom!

So yeah, I was suggesting they shoulda used Alex Ross' Green Goblin design - but I was SOOOO glad they used the original Spiderman outfit.

this is the best spiderman pic ive seen.

Doc Ock wrapped up his tentacles to kills Spidey

The costume in the movie was almost better than the comic one. I loved the silver webbing and the brick design of the fabric.
I just watched Spider-Man again and need to apologize for trying to defend the Goblin suit. The mask looks badass, and I think that that worked, but the bodysuit really does just look like a power ranger. Not too cool.

Originally posted by Zephonim
"The films' downfall"? I never knew 400 million dollars could be considered a downfall.
I don't think the web shooters being put in the movie would be as simple as everyone thinks. A few scenes of him making web shooters would have kept the fans happy, but think of the rest of the audience. In the comic he didn't even make the web shooters. He had them from a previous science experiment.
Think about how much it would have sucked, "look, I created webbing and shooters to propel the webbing in my bedroom. It's great that I was able to do it so quickly even though no technology like this exists." Throwing it in too quick, which is what everyone seems to want, would have sucked more than the organics.

Making lots of money doesn't make it necessarily a good film and it was a complete failure because it didn't tell the story like it was and hired the wrong actors to play the part- they had to change it from what we know. WHY?

Very good point Lord Shadow.that cracks me up when people defend that horrible movie saying that it was a good film because it made so much money,thats the funniest logic I have ever heard.A movie making a bunch of money hardly qualifys it as a good movie.Look at the phantom menace,most fans and critiics alike hated that movie,yet its the biggest money maker of all the star wars movies.EMPIRE STRIKES BACK made the least most money at the box office,yet most people agree its the best star wars movie made.Like you said,this movie was a failure because it didnt tell the story like it was.I mean organic webshooters? wtf? whats next,a superman movie with him flying around on a jetpack? whoa I better be quiet,I dont want to give hollywood any ideas. 😆