One betrayal more in man spider 2, doc ock wont be myopic

Originally posted by TheProgramSmith
Mr Parker,

I have to say I argee with you. The part about how he fought Hydro-Man was a very good point. Artificial webbing is what made Spider-Man Spider-Man, not Man-Spider. A point you have hammered home.

Anyways, one thing you have neglected to mention, and I think I may have read it somewhere, is that it is a weakness of his. How many times in the 90's cartoon did he plummet because his carterage was empty? Or, in the Rocket Raiders episode, "Out of webbing, no captured bad guys? I left (insert current girlfriend. Might have been MJ) for this?!?"

The organics really made me mad when I watched it for the first time, and me and my friend had a debate on the way home. They could have done it with the artificial ones and it would have not been stupid.

But, on the same note, why not a RADIOACTIVE SPIDER like in the comic? Why a genetically altered or what ever the shit it was? It was a good movie, I liked it. But, the UNNECESSARY CHANGES are the sliver in the ass. A good cake, but the icing tasted like soap. If that even makes sense.

But, changes like that, are inevitable. Look at the Return of the King. (Off topic, so I will stop, but if you want to hear my rant and rave about that, I will probably post it later tonight.)

Program Smith,you remind me of these two guys who used to run this site called no-organic-webshooters.com they created that site for true spidey fans who cared about seeing the TRUE character of spiderman onscreen to sign a petition and send to sony to try and get them to change their mind.the two guys that ran the site were a bunch of clowns because they never even followed through on their mission and never even sent in the petition so I lost my respect for them but anyways thats beside the point.you remind me of them because unlike me,they were still going to see the movie at the theaters and that they still enjoyed the movie despite him not having the mechs,that they always said it was going to be a good movie,but like you just said,thats exactly what they said which was -I have always said I think it will be a good movie just that without the mechs, it will leave a bad taste in my mouth.It will be a good cake I'm sure,its just that they will have left the icing off the cake so the cake wont be as good as it could have been.

That was why I refused to see it at the theaters and just waited till it came out on cable because why should I pay to see a movie that could have been so much better? I figured it would be a good movie but I wont accept mere good,I want to see a great spiderman film and thats not what we got.But yeah you are so right,thats one thing I always loved about spidey is seeing him have to defeat villians like in that cartoon episode you mentioned with hydroman where he had to mix certain kinds of chemicals together to defeat him or when he fought the rhino for the first time he mixed together certain chemicals together so that the hide would melt off his skin and he was able to defeat him and like you said,I always liked seeing him run out of web fluid in mid air,it brought a lot of suspencion to the moment.Like in that one 90's episode where he fought Kraven the first time-he says-MISFIRE,MY CARTRIDGE MUST HAVE BEEN DAMAGED IN THE FALL!!!! and he ends up landing in the water.you miss those kinds of classic moments with those stupid organics.then there was alo that time when he was rescuing Jameson from Mysterio and he ran out of fluid and could not swing off to safety and Jameson after spidey tells him he is out of fluid says-your bungling lame brainness is going to get us all killed.With organics,you could never have written a funny line like that.

I also did not like the fact they used a genetically altered spider instead of radio active spider,I mean when kids see the old 60's cartoon where they sing the song at the beginning of SPIDERMAN SPIDERMAN DOING WHATEVER A RADIOACTIVE SPIDER CAN,they are going to be confused by the movie now.the movie also failed to address how come he never runs out of webbing like he would if he DID have organics,and as I have said before the problem with organics is that the webbing would shoot out of his ass if he had organic powers not the wrists,there are just too many flaws with the organics that they failed to address in that film.

Originally posted by VENOMfan
so........Im not quite following, what I said was the "power ranger" costume obviously was either thrown together or made by the guys who whipped up the suits for Mortal Kombat:Annihilation((didnt that win a grammy? no? anyhow..))

but If they tried to say "hollywood" the original Green Goblin costume I fear it would have also been bad but to a slightly lesser extent.

what I mean is Spiderman and DareDevil didnt have severe coustume changes, they were altered but still had the familar look.

where say the X-men, Green Goblin and Kingpin had severe costume changes....Kingpin was quite severe.

anyhow even the slightest cosmetic change to the original Goblin would not have been enuf to make it look alright. but thats just my opinion

what I would have rather seen instead of a whole new character they should have used the Phil Ulrich Goblin costume, I belive that could have translated well.

But thats not what you said in that post though. 😕 You said that you dont think that the comic goblin costume could have worked on film and that if they HAD used the comic goblin costume,people would have laughed at it and not feared it-now are you referring to the people in the movie or the audience? either way I dont think thats true because The Green Goblin from the comics if done correctly,could have worked on film to where people could have feared him and many people in the audience did laugh at how goofy a looking villian he looked in that movie so the change did not work at all.Now they are doing the same damn thing with doc ock, instead of showing him wearing his white lab suit he wore in later years that would have given you the impression he was a scientific genius,they are dumbing his character down by making him look like an ordinary thug with that green trenchcoat matrix copy cat costume.that sucks. 😠

Originally posted by Mr Parker
But thats not what you said in that post though. 😕 You said that you dont think that the comic goblin costume could have worked on film and that if they HAD used the comic goblin costume,people would have laughed at it and not feared it-now are you referring to the people in the movie or the audience? either way I dont think thats true because The Green Goblin from the comics if done correctly,could have worked on film to where people could have feared him and many people in the audience did laugh at how goofy a looking villian he looked in that movie so the change did not work at all.Now they are doing the same damn thing with doc ock, instead of showing him wearing his white lab suit he wore in later years that would have given you the impression he was a scientific genius,they are dumbing his character down by making him look like an ordinary thug with that green trenchcoat matrix copy cat costume.that sucks. 😠

actually I made it clear in my first post the "power Ranger"costume was terrible. I just elaborated in the second post. I really cant see the Original Costume working on a live action film I might belive it if there was a few alterations......

and Im not suprised people luaghed at the movie Goblin it was a pretty goofy looking suit.

but as far as doc ock Goes yes they do seem to be riding the matrix band wagon, He could have looked fine wearing coke bottle glasses and a white suite and tie and the infamous bowel cut hair doo.

My two cents for the costume of Green Goblin:

To put him in green and purple tights would have made him more rediculous then the power ranger.

Well, let me say this first thing to the so-called 'true Spider-Man fans:' Get off your freaking high horses, you pompous asses.

This ends the venting portion of the rant.

How can you dare call yourself a Spider-Man fan if you can't even enjoy the movie due to some insignificant detail?!?! I really don't understand it. SO WHAT if Doctor Octopus doesn't happen to be extremely nearsighted?!?! Do you really think he could come of as a respectable villain in a live-action movie? There are many things that work on the page but not on the screen. And for this, moviemakers have to compensate by changing a few LITTLE things here and there to make it more appealing for the audiences (which I will admit can get annoying at times)

I, myself, I am a big fan of comic book characters, and all of the virtues and stylistic artistry, but that does NOT keep me from enjoying a well-constructed movie marred by a couple inconsistencies! For instance: I was a little annoyed that they changed the uniforms in X-Men. But then, I realized: "Does it really matter?" The new ones looked better anyway.

Whether or not Spider-Man's webshooters are mechanical or genetic in inconsequential. If Spider-Man didn't have webshooters at all, now THAT would be something to complain about. Catwoman, for instance, has a lot to complain about. Catwoman isn't white (not that physical appearance really matters in this field, as long as it's well-acted (many 'true' comic book fans have a hard time accepting this). Another thing about Catwoman: It has no connection to Batman, but they used a DC comic copyrighted character for it anyway. That, annoys me. A hell of a lot more than TINY things like a webshooter

Originally posted by TheProgramSmith
My two cents for the costume of Green Goblin:

To put him in green and purple tights would have made him more rediculous then the power ranger.

Nobody implied they ought to have used the old "cloth and tights" costume. They implied that an altered green and purple version should have been used.

They could have even used a rubbery exoskeleton with rubber a bit like captain americas, and Norman could have just added the mask and clothes (because he's insane).

And Lord Soth, well you make a good few points. I still enjoy the movie, I tend to like anything Spiderman related (for some reason I hated Spiderman Unlimited cartoon however).

About DOck Ock - I'm excited about the movie, and cannot wait until we see Ock on screen. There will always be haters and lovers. Me, I sit on the fence and make my own mind up. So far, the movie was enjoyable and the few things that blighted it werent enough to spoil it.

Yet, those things that were bad about it, are quite aggravating, because they were done for no good reason. Any excuse anybody has come up with for the changes hasnt been good enough so far. We keep coming back to "Why?", and so far, nobody has given a good enough answer.

Yet I still enjoy the movie - I was watching it the other night - and while I missed the webshooters and the classic goblin design, it was still a good movie that showed Spiderman off.

Even though Mr Parker et al seem to go on all the time about how bad the movie is, there's no need to have a go at them. I totally see and understand where everybody is coming from - the whole point about a discussion is to LISTEN to what others have to say - not to dismiss their opinions and call them names/flame them.

I just hope in Spiderman 2 the people of New York start to hate him again, just like good old times. Spiderman isn't a hero like Superman - the people mistrust him - at the end of the first movie ALL of New York seemed to congregate on the bridge to help Spiderman, capping it with the cheesy "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" line. I hope they leave cheesy happy bits like that OUT of the next one.

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Nobody implied they ought to have used the old "cloth and tights" costume. They implied that an altered green and purple version should have been used.

They could have even used a rubbery exoskeleton with rubber a bit like captain americas, and Norman could have just added the mask and clothes (because he's insane).

Yeah people a lot of times think that because I hate organics and the goblin costume that I want things to be exactly like the comics and that couldnt be anything further than the truth,for instance,I would like to have a sequel made where mary jane dies and Gwen is in a sequel and lives,but that will never happen.I have never said that I want the costume to look exactly like the comics,I dont know where to find it but they used to have a drawing of it posted I saw before of the alex ross design of the green goblin where he has on the metal green costume,but its painted in purple in other places,maybe my friend bakerboy can find that photo if nobody else from here can.It was a cool look and Im sure it would have looked awesome onscreen, much better than the costume we got stuck with that I still maintain was worse than the one from the comics. 😠

Originally posted by Red Superfly
And Lord Soth, well you make a good few points. I still enjoy the movie, I tend to like anything Spiderman related (for some reason I hated Spiderman Unlimited cartoon however).

About DOck Ock - I'm excited about the movie, and cannot wait until we see Ock on screen. There will always be haters and lovers. Me, I sit on the fence and make my own mind up. So far, the movie was enjoyable and the few things that blighted it werent enough to spoil it.

Yet, those things that were bad about it, are quite aggravating, because they were done for no good reason. Any excuse anybody has come up with for the changes hasnt been good enough so far. We keep coming back to "Why?", and so far, nobody has given a good enough answer.

Yet I still enjoy the movie - I was watching it the other night - and while I missed the webshooters and the classic goblin design, it was still a good movie that showed Spiderman off.

Even though Mr Parker et al seem to go on all the time about how bad the movie is, there's no need to have a go at them. I totally see and understand where everybody is coming from - the whole point about a discussion is to LISTEN to what others have to say - not to dismiss their opinions and call them names/flame them.

I just hope in Spiderman 2 the people of New York start to hate him again, just like good old times. Spiderman isn't a hero like Superman - the people mistrust him - at the end of the first movie ALL of New York seemed to congregate on the bridge to help Spiderman, capping it with the cheesy "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" line. I hope they leave cheesy happy bits like that OUT of the next one.

Thanks Red Superfly.Me and you have some disagreements about the movie but you have never insulted me.I have Lord Soth on ignore because unlike you,I cant get into a discussion with him without him flinging insults at me just because I hate and bash a film he likes.Thats why I have him on ignore.He does not care how hollywood screws up a comicbook film and no matter how redicules and stupid the changes are,he goes along with it and does not care how bad they screw up comicbook films.Whatever they do he automatically goes along with it.Just as long as the name spiderman is up there on the screen,like many people,thats all he cares about.As I have said before,I dont mind changes to comicbook films and I dont expect them to be exactly like the comics like many people have ignorantly thought so in the past on other sites I have been to.I very much enjoyed the daredevil movie because unlike spiderman,it had reasonable changes made to it such as a Black Kingpin instead of a white Kingpin.Black Kingpin=reasonable change,organics=moronic change.even the people like you and Program Smith who enjoyed the movie ,the movie left a bad taste in your mouths because they forgot to put on the icing on the cake.

Originally posted by Lord Soth
Well, let me say this first thing to the so-called 'true Spider-Man fans:' Get off your freaking high horses, you pompous asses.

This ends the venting portion of the rant.

How can you dare call yourself a Spider-Man fan if you can't even enjoy the movie due to some insignificant detail?!?! I really don't understand it. SO WHAT if Doctor Octopus doesn't happen to be extremely nearsighted?!?! Do you really think he could come of as a respectable villain in a live-action movie? There are many things that work on the page but not on the screen. And for this, moviemakers have to compensate by changing a few LITTLE things here and there to make it more appealing for the audiences (which I will admit can get annoying at times)

I, myself, I am a big fan of comic book characters, and all of the virtues and stylistic artistry, but that does NOT keep me from enjoying a well-constructed movie marred by a couple inconsistencies! For instance: I was a little annoyed that they changed the uniforms in X-Men. But then, I realized: "Does it really matter?" The new ones looked better anyway.

Whether or not Spider-Man's webshooters are mechanical or genetic in inconsequential. If Spider-Man didn't have webshooters at all, now THAT would be something to complain about. Catwoman, for instance, has a lot to complain about. Catwoman isn't white (not that physical appearance really matters in this field, as long as it's well-acted (many 'true' comic book fans have a hard time accepting this). Another thing about Catwoman: It has no connection to Batman, but they used a DC comic copyrighted character for it anyway. That, annoys me. A hell of a lot more than TINY things like a webshooter

First and foremost: I like you. You are funny. The funniest thing in the world is that you made the word tiny gigantic.

Anywho, I hope by that "true spiderman fans... pompus asses" comment that I am generalized in this catagory. I was defending the movie, but at the same time saying that there were changes made that I felt were unnecessary.

Anyways, thank you for your time. And, on a personal note, a better ending to your scrolling quote in your signature would be "why not?"

I was talking about the people who were making a big deal out of nothing.

Mr Parker only has me on ignore because he can't listen to reason 😄

That really didn't answer my question, Sir.

Where the hell did this "EVIL CHIP" crap come from? Ive never heard of it. Id like to see some confirmation. If it is in the movie, I trust that the writers will make it work so that everyone is satified.

Originally posted by TheProgramSmith
That really didn't answer my question, Sir.

Originally posted by Lord Soth
kay, then I didn't really understand the question. What exactly were you asking?

Was I encompassed in the above generalization?

I didn't read the thread at all, so I'm not sure. I just posted my rant and left

The Green Goblins costume in the movie was a hell of a lot better then the stupid cartoon and comic, so what if Doc. Ock is evil from a chip!? hes still evil isn't he? and thats what matters!!

Oh no spidey doesn't have web-shotters!! well boo-freakin hoo!!! there is absoutely no way that someone could make a material from peanut butter and tooth paste to support his body weight and another person if hes carrying them round the city. I loved it how they made the webbing organic, it made him more spider-like then just being able to stick to walls and have a sixth sense. Webbing made from tooth paste? come on, a teenager couldn't make something like that, hes not a scientist. Every change they made in the movie was for the best and made the movie even better. So stop crying about petty little things, go see the movie and enjoy it for pizets sakes!!

actually I posted how web shooters work, they are not just "peanut butter and tooth paste"

even tho I dont think the Original Green Goblin would look good being In a live action film, it dosent mean the new Goblin costume was ok.
Phil Ulrich had the spiffiest Green Goblin costume and it could have been made worked in the movie but this is beating a dead horse. nothing we can do about it so Im done complaining.

hope this clears up the web-shooter thing for ya

Originally posted by VENOMfan
for freddy vs jason the "how to" of the whole webshooter idea

Weapons: Spider-Man uses web-shooters which are twin devices worn on his wrists which can shoot thin strands of a special “web fluid” at high pressure. The web fluid is a shear-thinning liquid (virtually solid until a shearing force is applied to it, rendering it fluid) whose exact formula is as yet unknown, but is related to nylon. On contact with air, the long-chain polymer knits and forms an extremely tough, flexible fiber with extraordinary adhesive properties. The web fluid’s adhesive quality diminishes rapidly with exposure to air. (Where it does not make contact with air, such as the attachment disk of the web-shooter, it remains very adhesive.) After about 2 hour, certain imbibed ether cause the solid form of the web fluid to dissolve into a powder. Because the fluid almost instantly sublimates from solid to liquid when under shear pressure, and is not adhesive in its anaerobic liquid/solid phase transition point, there is no clogging of the web-shooter’s parts.

The spinneret mechanism in the web-shooter is machined from stainless steel, except for the turbine component, which is machined out of a block of Teflon and the two turbine bearings, which are made of amber and artificial sapphire. The wristlet and web fluid cartridges are mainly nickel-plated annealed brass. Spider-Man’s web cartridge belt is made out of brass and light leather and holds up to 30 cartridges. The cartridges are pressurized to 300 pounds per square inch and sealed with a bronze cap which is silver soldered closed. The wristlets have sharp steel nipples, which pierce the bronze cap when the cartridges are tightly wedged into their positions. A palm switch that is protected by a band of spring steel, which requires a 65 pounds pressure to trigger, actuates the hand-wound solenoid needle valve. The switch is situated high on the palm to avoid most unwanted firings. A rubber seal protects the small battery compartment. The effect of the very small turbine pump vanes is to compress (share) the web fluid and then force it, under pressure, through the spinneret holes which cold-draws it (stretches it: the process wherein nylon gains a four-fold increase in tensile strength), then extrudes it through the air where it solidifies. As the web fluid exits the spinneret holes, it is attracted to itself electro statically and thus can form complex shapes. The spinneret holes have three sets of adjustable, staggered openings around the turbine, which permit a single line, a more complex, spun web line, and a thick stream. The web line’s tensile strength is estimated to be 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section. The 300 pounds per square inch of pressure in each cartridge is sufficient to force a stream of the complex web pattern an estimated 60 feet (significantly farther if shot in a ballistic parabolic arc).

"But, on the same note, why not a RADIOACTIVE SPIDER like in the comic? Why a genetically altered or what ever the shit it was?"

Radioactivity was a scary, kind of new and unknown thing in the 60's. Likewise, Genetic alteration and biotechnology are a scary, kind of new and unknown thing nowadays. I thought that was one of the intelligent changes Raimi made, unlike the web shooters and Goblins costume.

Originally posted by Freddy_vs_Jason
The Green Goblins costume in the movie was a hell of a lot better then the stupid cartoon and comic, so what if Doc. Ock is evil from a chip!? hes still evil isn't he? and thats what matters!!

Oh no spidey doesn't have web-shotters!! well boo-freakin hoo!!! there is absoutely no way that someone could make a material from peanut butter and tooth paste to support his body weight and another person if hes carrying them round the city. I loved it how they made the webbing organic, it made him more spider-like then just being able to stick to walls and have a sixth sense. Webbing made from tooth paste? come on, a teenager couldn't make something like that, hes not a scientist. Every change they made in the movie was for the best and made the movie even better. So stop crying about petty little things, go see the movie and enjoy it for pizets sakes!!

OK I'm getting a little tired of people posting "boo freakin-hoo" and "shut up and enjoy the movie" as arguements.

Venom-fan even went to the bother of posting how webshooters work, it would have been courteous if you had bothered to read the post.

People: READ the facts first - then you may not make idiots of yourself by thinking Peter literally used toothpaste and peanut butter for webbing (Mmm.....webbing sandwiches)