Wolverine VS Cyclops

In a recent issue of UXM, there was a scene where Northstar attacks the X-Men. There's the dialogue box that states something like:

"Speed of light 186,000....."
"Speed of servos in Cyclops' visor - considerably slower".

Now, i guess there are two options to think of here. The writer COULD be talking abour Northstar and his ability to potentially reach the speed of light (at the last time i read up on this guy, he theoretically could, but his bodily limitations were such that he couldn't: someone update me if this is wrong now). Equally though, it's perfectly possible that the "speed of light" reference was about the speed of Scott's blasts.

I've always thought the blasts are the speed of light....

He was talking about Northstar, as Hydra and the Children of the Vault upgraded him.

Originally posted by Accel
Can you name any that aren't Canadian?

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Honestly grow up, Cyclops blasts as stated are not light based. Their concussion blasts not actual light, look at all the people with eye blasts and none of them move at the speed of light.

Cyclops blasts are his eyes transferring kinetic energy in the form of gravitons

Rough day, Mungi? Not like you to take the tongue smiley seriously.

No, as I keep getting the exact same thing in mutliple threads and I'm tired of it.

I don't see how any one could have guessed that. I've seen you joke about it more than any body.

I did, but now I'm being called a fanboy more times than not. I take offence now.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He was talking about Northstar, as Hydra and the Children of the Vault upgraded him.

How can you prove that? I interpreted it as the speed of Cyke's visor servos as being considerably slower than his blast, thus enabling Northstar to reach Scott before a blast could even be produced.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
How can you prove that? I interpreted it as the speed of Cyke's visor servos as being considerably slower than his blast, thus enabling Northstar to reach Scott before a blast could even be produced.

easily, because as stated Northstar or Aurora couldn't reach lightspeed as they didn't have the durability. However, thanks to Weapon X for Aurora her skin was augmented making it harder, Northstar was augmented by Hydra making his body considerbly more durable even colliding into people at mach three with no damage but the person he collided into exploded, as well as flying through sentinels with no damage. Then the Children of the Vault even mentioned it a few times they augumented the twins even further.

Cyclop's blasts have never shown light speed, even normal people have dodged it.

edit: even before the twins upgrades, Aurora was zig-zagging between lightening bolts.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
easily, because as stated Northstar or Aurora couldn't reach lightspeed as they didn't have the durability. However, thanks to Weapon X for Aurora her skin was augmented making it harder, Northstar was augmented by Hydra making his body considerbly more durable even colliding into people at mach three with no damage but the person he collided into exploded, as well as flying through sentinels with no damage. Then the Children of the Vault even mentioned it a few times they augumented the twins even further.

Cyclop's blasts have never shown light speed, even normal people have dodged it.

Like who? I mean, really. When Cyke was REALLY trying to hit them, and they didn't just happen to dodge/move before he fired the blast...who has dodge his optic blasts? Prove me wrong, I'm curious to know.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Like who? I mean, really. When Cyke was REALLY trying to hit them, and they didn't just happen to dodge/move before he fired the blast...who has dodge his optic blasts? Prove me wrong, I'm curious to know.

Quicksilver for one easily dodged his blasts, Wolverine, Northstar pre-upgrade (he got blind-sided once from the blast), bar goons when Cyclops left the X-Men. As stated his blasts are not even made out of light.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
edit: even before the twins upgrades, Aurora was zig-zagging between lightening bolts.

Speed of lightning = 149,668,992 m/s

Speed of light = 299,792,458 m/s

She was dodging things that travelled at half the speed of light. Not the same at all, but impressive, nonetheless.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Speed of lightning = 149,668,992 m/s

Speed of light = 299,792,458 m/s

She was dodging things that travelled at half the speed of light. Not the same at all, but impressive, nonetheless.

where did I say they were speed of light? As even before that example I mentioned they couldn't go lightspeed due to durability issues, but that since then they have been augmented by the likes of Hydra, Weapon X, and now the Children of the Vault.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Quicksilver for one easily dodged his blasts, Wolverine, Northstar pre-upgrade (he got blind-sided once from the blast), bar goons when Cyclops left the X-Men. As stated his blasts are not even made out of light.

Quicksilver's reflexes dwarf Cyke's. He's merely dodging before a blast is fired in his direction. If they were both standing ready, facing each other, and Scott fired a blast, I don't think Quicksilver couldn't even move in time to dodge it. He'd see it a bit slower than most, but it would still be too fast for him to manuever out of the way. Probably even too fast for him to react.

i think metalmanx is referring to the "scoobless" method of dodging, not just being faster than cyclops' head.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Funny where did I say they were speed of light? As even before that example I mentioned they couldn't go lightspeed due to durability issues, but that since then they have been augemtned by the likes of Hydra, Weapon X, and now the Children of the Vault.

I never said you said lightning travelled at the speed of light. Calmness, my friend. I was merely pointing out the considerable speed difference.

Originally posted by manorastroman
i think metalmanx is referring to the "scoobless" method of dodging, not just being faster than cyclops' head.

Hm? 😕 Please explain?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never said you said lightning travelled at the speed of light. Calmness, my friend. I was merely pointing out the considerable speed difference.

Which doesn't mean much as it was pre-upgraded Aurora and yet she acheived that with eaze. So why wouldn't after all their upgrades couldn't they go light speed

For those unaware this is the scan in question
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_18.jpg

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Quicksilver's reflexes dwarf Cyke's. He's merely dodging before a blast is fired in his direction. If they were both standing ready, facing each other, and Scott fired a blast, I don't think Quicksilver couldn't even move in time to dodge it. He'd see it a bit slower than most, but it would still be too fast for him to manuever out of the way. Probably even too fast for him to react.

There's even scans of Quicksilver doing that exact same thing, once again Cyclops blasts are not made out of light. Show me proof as now the burden is on you that they can travel at lightspeed

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hm? 😕 Please explain?

scoobless (at least i think it was scoobless) had that whole threaed about who ought to be able to dodge bullets, and he did a fine job of drawing the line between dodging bullets and just evading the aim of the gunmen.

like what you said about quicksilver, basically.

Even then, Quicksilver during the old days was mach 1 at best yet he was face to face with Cyclops and he avoided the blasts. Also hard to dodge the aim, as Cyclops can extend or narrow his optic blasts