Originally posted by $p@wnDeath Wolverine had no enhancements, other than the return of his adamantium skeleton. All apocalypse gave Wolverine were weapons and tools.
Yes, the keyword is MENTIONED. Apocalypse ALWAYS gives his Horsemen a GENETIC enhancements (it seems to me that sometimes he uses cybernetics also). It was stupid on the part of Apocalypse - to have Celestial technology and not use it maximum effectively. Uncle Apoc (;-) never shows himself stupid, moreover, he used to be nearly genius...
Wolverine didn't really need any enhancements to become a horseman. It's his sheer ability to kill just about anyone in the Marvel Universe, as well as survive anything thrown at him that made him an attractive choice for death, not how powerful he is. It was how dangerous he was.
I just read an old issue of Wizard during the time when Grant Morrison wrote New X-Men.
Morrison said Wolverine would beat Cyclops. He said Cyclops' blast wouldn't be able to kill him and that sooner or later Wolverine would get close and Cyclops would go down.
So I guess now I get to hear how much of a Wolverine fanboy Grant Morrison is.
If the top writing talent in the industry thinks Wolverine would take Cyclops down, then I think it's safe to say that not all Wolverine fans are on crack.
but morrison's cyclops was portrayed as a weakling. he got checkmated in a fight against three average students, he never actually did anything or won any fight in damn near the whole nxm run.
whedon's cyclops, however, restores him to his former glory, though we haven't seen cyclops' extremely underrated hand to hand prowess lately. in any case, cylops puts logan in his place a few times during the astonishing run.
Originally posted by riceroost
I just read an old issue of Wizard during the time when Grant Morrison wrote New X-Men.Morrison said Wolverine would beat Cyclops. He said Cyclops' blast wouldn't be able to kill him and that sooner or later Wolverine would get close and Cyclops would go down.
So I guess now I get to hear how much of a Wolverine fanboy Grant Morrison is.
If the top writing talent in the industry thinks Wolverine would take Cyclops down, then I think it's safe to say that not all Wolverine fans are on crack.
Morrison is not a Cyclops expert, nor is he his creator.
Originally posted by manorastroman
whedon's cyclops, however, restores him to his former glory, though we haven't seen cyclops' extremely underrated hand to hand prowess lately. in any case, cylops puts logan in his place a few times during the astonishing run.
And I do not remember Scott ever putting Logan "in his place" in Astonishing. Blasting him out a window? Yeah, he did that, to no apparant pain or discomfort on Logan's part.
Originally posted by riceroost
How does Emma playing Scott for a fool, calling him a Wolverine wannabe, and alluding to the fact that he only got the team leadership spot because Xavier felt sorry for him return Scott to his former Glory? Astonishing does nothing but imply Scott is a weak minded basket case.And I do not remember Scott ever putting Logan "in his place" in Astonishing. Blasting him out a window? Yeah, he did that, to no apparant pain or discomfort on Logan's part.
*Ahem* the Sentinel incident...
Originally posted by riceroostOh, ye, really?! );-E Didn't I make myself clear?! Or are you Apocalypse himself an' can say what are you does an' whay not?! Don't think so. But then again:
Death Wolverine had no enhancements, other than the return of his adamantium skeleton. All apocalypse gave Wolverine were weapons and tools.Wolverine didn't really need any enhancements to become a horseman. It's his sheer ability to kill just about anyone in the Marvel Universe, as well as survive anything thrown at him that made him an attractive choice for death, not how powerful he is. It was how dangerous he was.
Originally posted by riceroostDid you always believe in what authorities says? If yes - you are brainless and must not be allowed to discuss on this forum. If Grant says this - he knows A LITTLE 'bout X-Men. He's just normal human like others, there is no reason to treat him like G-d.
I just read an old issue of Wizard during the time when Grant Morrison wrote New X-Men.Morrison said Wolverine would beat Cyclops. He said Cyclops' blast wouldn't be able to kill him and that sooner or later Wolverine would get close and Cyclops would go down.
So I guess now I get to hear how much of a Wolverine fanboy Grant Morrison is.
If the top writing talent in the industry thinks Wolverine would take Cyclops down, then I think it's safe to say that not all Wolverine fans are on crack.
Originally posted by riceroost
I just read an old issue of Wizard during the time when Grant Morrison wrote New X-Men.Morrison said Wolverine would beat Cyclops. He said Cyclops' blast wouldn't be able to kill him and that sooner or later Wolverine would get close and Cyclops would go down.
So I guess now I get to hear how much of a Wolverine fanboy Grant Morrison is.
If the top writing talent in the industry thinks Wolverine would take Cyclops down, then I think it's safe to say that not all Wolverine fans are on crack.
And if Morrison ever wrote a fight between the two he would likely have Wolverine winning. However, you have to keep in mind that the circumstances in which fights take place in comics will often have an effect on the outcome of the fight in question. Meaning that if Morrison wanted Wolverine to win a fight I'm sure he could think of a reasonable set of circumstances to get that result.
But what many are missing is that in this fight, as it is set up by the rules of the forum, there is no reason that once Scott hits Wolverine (and even Morrison alludes to the fact the it is Wolverine's durability that would give him the victory not that he would avoid getting hit) then there is no reason that Scott would ever stop the initial attack. It isn't as if he is limited to the brief blasts that he uses most often in comics. All he'd have to do is keep looking at Wolverine until all the flesh has been ripped off his bones.