Originally posted by Mr.BiscuitsMust be my Ultimate universe doppelganger.
No he clearly said "Mindscape" biscuits
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I want to see 'em both go at it with their current levels. And I want to see a truly cosmic fight; none of this Hulk/Sentry-threatens-all-of-New-York-City nonsense.
Just something to note... we've seen how Surfer fought Thor in a non-retard situation. We saw Thor fail to react to him.
Surfer has gotten more powerful, and has better speed feats, and etc. He hit Thor like 10 unanswered times in that fight.
What happens when he fights him again? What happens if he fights the same way? Are Thor's reactions up to snuff; is Thor's durability up to snuff?
And no matter how many times a Thor fan says Thor won that fight, he didn't. Thor was the one lying on the ground... Thor was the one reaching for his hammer. Thor was the one who really only had a chance to react when Surfer let up. And no matter if he was holding back or not, what the hell is he going to do better? Is he going to fire blasts at a speeding Surfer? Is he going to shoot teh lightning? Is he going to punch him? He managed to clip Surfer... 's board in that fight, and that's about it. Surfer however, stayed on the offensive the entire time
And you know what? I'm sick of hearing about WM. If ever there was a time Surfer ran into a fight to get his head smashed, it was that fight. Surfer ran up to Thor to start the fight, and grabbed his wrists. He stood in front of Thor, and basically let him slap his face. He tackled Thor. He hit him with his board. Surfer fired one... ONE blast in that entire fight.
The worst part though, is that Thor threw his hammer, Surfer fired a blast. Now, I've read a lot of Thor comics, and the only way for this part to work* is if Surfer sat there for a couple seconds, waited for Thor to bring back his hammer, and then let him smash his face. Yes, Surfer rushed up to Thor, fired a blast, and then sat there until Thor got his hammer back. 😐
* http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=SilverS16.jpg
Great writing on that one, eh?
Now, I've sat by, and read lots of arguments about Thor vs Surfer. Quite frankly, all I've seen is people twist the first fight, and use the garbage that is Blood and Blunder. Sure, a couple arguments arise, but nothing that would persuade me, nor I don't think anyone to say Thor takes a strong majority, or even close. Quite honestly, I've never seen a decent argument for Surfer taking a loss here. 😬
And, in terms of comics... I would say I'm very knowledgeable in both of these characters. I've read a couple hundred comics involving Surfer, and I've read over 500 comics featuring Thor (easily). I've also read through both respect threads just when I didn't feel like reading comics. Personally, I'd say I'm more knowledgeable when it comes to Thor (perhaps). Thor, could take out Surfer... if it goes that way. Surfer could take out Thor.
However, here's my take on the fight. 🙂
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Yes, my friends, this fight is how I see the Thor vs Surfer fight going... with certain circumstances however. 🙂
And here they are:
Now, let's couple in some power ups for Surfer (I'm not even going to make a statement about the sonic shark).
OK. Unilord saga. Surfer got part of a Blackbody in him. This was never officially take out to my knowledge.
And of course, the recent Annihilation. Do I need to go into detail on this one?
Let's add in the fact that Surfer has better speed feats (kind of irrelevant, but you never know).
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http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
And, of course... powerful blasts.
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I'm not going to get into durability, or matter manipulation, because well, he's not going to get hit if he follows his first fight, and he's not going manipulate anything following his first fight.
Add up all those, and you got a bad ass Surfer.
Also, ignoring how smart Surfer fought in that first fight, Surfer was still able to blast him down basically without opposition, and he's got better feats since then, so, if Surfer got him down even once, wouldn't Surfer relentlessly fire blasts at him anyway? I mean, he's able to do it, so shouldn't it be a viable option here anyway?
Continuous waves of energy would be sexcellent... after he separated his hammer maybe ('cause you never know). 🙂
Oh, did I neglect to mention that with Annihilation that Surfer is not going to 'doubt' himself, that he's not going to hold back, just because Thor might be a hero, and he was wrong.
Of course, this hero talk is irrelevant, because this is the forum, and they are forced to fight whether Thor just gave Surfer roses, or he killed his girlfriend of that time. Perks that also come with the forum is that Surfer isn't going to stop firing blasts just because.
So basically, Annihilation or not, Surfer isn't going to let up. 🙂
*I went through this already, but what the hey*
Of course, people are going to say Thor held back in his first fight (following what Surfer says, because Surfer obviously read his mind, and knew he was...), however, how the f*ck do you hold back your durability, and what else would Thor have done? Would he have threw his hammer harder... faster... more accurate? Would he have punched him when he didn't come close? Would have fired some pointless blasts? Really, I'd love to know.
And with two (or hell, let's say one to make people happy) powerups, and better feats, all of those blasts Thor took in that fight... ya, he's going down so hard it's not even funny.
Now, I know some people may have heard me say that Thor fights better when mad. He does seem to fight faster, yes. However, he certainly hasn't fought fast enough to show that he's hitting Surfer fighting smart. Plus, it's also assuming Surfer comes close, and quite frankly, those hammer throws are a gamble, and the blasts are really his only option, IMO. 😬
Of course, this is all my opinion. Whether you believe it or not, this is what I think will happen, and I hardly doubt anyone is going to change it. You're welcome to try, but I fail to see any reason to debate against it, so I won't respond if you so feel the need to respond... and 'rape my post' if that's what some of you think. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Just something to note... we've seen how Surfer fought Thor in a non-retard situation. We saw Thor fail to react to him.
Surfer has gotten more powerful, and has better speed feats, and etc. He hit Thor like 10 unanswered times in that fight.What happens when he fights him again? What happens if he fights the same way? Are Thor's reactions up to snuff; is Thor's durability up to snuff?
And no matter how many times a Thor fan says Thor won that fight, he didn't. Thor was the one lying on the ground... Thor was the one reaching for his hammer. Thor was the one who really only had a chance to react when Surfer let up. And no matter if he was holding back or not, what the hell is he going to do better? Is he going to fire blasts at a speeding Surfer? Is he going to shoot teh lightning? Is he going to punch him? He managed to clip Surfer... 's board in that fight, and that's about it. Surfer however, stayed on the offensive the entire time
And you know what? I'm sick of hearing about WM. If ever there was a time Surfer ran into a fight to get his head smashed, it was that fight. Surfer ran up to Thor to start the fight, and grabbed his wrists. He stood in front of Thor, and basically let him slap his face. He tackled Thor. He hit him with his board. Surfer fired one... ONE blast in that entire fight.
is if Surfer sat there for a couple seconds, waited for Thor to bring back his hammer, and then let him smash his face. Yes, Surfer rushed up to Thor, fired a blast, and then sat there until Thor got his hammer back. 😐
The worst part though, is that Thor threw his hammer, Surfer fired a blast. Now, I've read a lot of Thor comics, and the only way for this part to work[b]** http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=SilverS16.jpg
Great writing on that one, eh?
Now, I've sat by, and read lots of arguments about Thor vs Surfer. Quite frankly, all I've seen is people twist the first fight, and use the garbage that is Blood and Blunder. Sure, a couple arguments arise, but nothing that would persuade me, nor I don't think anyone to say Thor takes a strong majority, or even close. Quite honestly, I've never seen a decent argument for Surfer taking a loss here. 😬
And, in terms of comics... I would say I'm very knowledgeable in both of these characters. I've read a couple hundred comics involving Surfer, and I've read over 500 comics featuring Thor (easily). I've also read through both respect threads just when I didn't feel like reading comics. Personally, I'd say I'm more knowledgeable when it comes to Thor (perhaps). Thor, could take out Surfer... if it goes that way. Surfer could take out Thor.
However, here's my take on the fight. 🙂
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle11.jpgYes, my friends, this fight is how I see the Thor vs Surfer fight going... with certain circumstances however. 🙂
And here they are:
Now, let's couple in some power ups for Surfer (I'm not even going to make a statement about the sonic shark).
OK. Unilord saga. Surfer got part of a Blackbody in him. This was never officially take out to my knowledge.
And of course, the recent Annihilation. Do I need to go into detail on this one?
Let's add in the fact that Surfer has better speed feats (kind of irrelevant, but you never know).
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7517/annihilationsilversurferi9.jpghttp://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
And, of course... powerful blasts.
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http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7697/annihilationsilversurfekt9.jpgI'm not going to get into durability, or matter manipulation, because well, he's not going to get hit if he follows his first fight, and he's not going manipulate anything following his first fight.
Add up all those, and you got a bad ass Surfer.
Also, ignoring how smart Surfer fought in that first fight, Surfer was still able to blast him down basically without opposition, and he's got better feats since then, so, if Surfer got him down even once, wouldn't Surfer relentlessly fire blasts at him anyway? I mean, he's able to do it, so shouldn't it be a viable option here anyway?
Continuous waves of energy would be sexcellent... after he separated his hammer maybe ('cause you never know). 🙂Oh, did I neglect to mention that with Annihilation that Surfer is not going to 'doubt' himself, that he's not going to hold back, just because Thor might be a hero, and he was wrong.
Of course, this hero talk is irrelevant, because this is the forum, and they are forced to fight whether Thor just gave Surfer roses, or he killed his girlfriend of that time. Perks that also come with the forum is that Surfer isn't going to stop firing blasts just because.So basically, Annihilation or not, Surfer isn't going to let up. 🙂
*I went through this already, but what the hey*
Of course, people are going to say Thor held back in his first fight (following what Surfer says, because Surfer obviously read his mind, and knew he was...), however, how the f*ck do you hold back your durability, and what else would Thor have done? Would he have threw his hammer harder... faster... more accurate? Would he have punched him when he didn't come close? Would have fired some pointless blasts? Really, I'd love to know.
And with two (or hell, let's say one to make people happy), and better feats, all of those blasts Thor took in that fight... ya, he's going down so hard it's not even funny.Now, I know some people may have heard me say that Thor fights better when mad. He does seem to fight faster, yes. However, he certainly hasn't fought fast enough to show that he's hitting Surfer fighting smart. Plus, it's also assuming Surfer comes close, and quite frankly, those hammer throws are a gamble, and the blasts are really his only option, IMO. 😬
Of course, this is all my opinion. Whether you believe it or not, this is what I think will happen, and I hardly doubt anyone is going to change it. You're welcome to try, but I fail to see any reason to debate against it, so I won't respond if you so feel the need to respond... and 'rape my post' if that's what some of you think. 🙂 [/B]
9/10 for that post alone. 😮💨
Just something to note...... We've sen how a non retarded, Loki amped, opportunity driven Surfer fought a Thor whom at the time was worried about his surroundings and was holding back. We saw the outcome of the fight. Since that Time Thor has seemingly become more powerful with a change of attitude that may eliminate his need to hold back.
What happens if they fight again? A fight where Surfer isn't amped, Thor isn't holding back, and the battle takes place at a neutral site?
For those of us who've read Surfer and Thor's it's obvious Thor wasn't the victor. It's also obvious he was holding back, and briefly incapacitated by his fellow Asgardians whom at times became liabilities. The fight wasn't fair in any sense of the word.
What would happen if the circumstances behind the fight were different? What would happen if Thor wasn't holding back? What would happen if Thor was blood lusted as he would be in a forum battle? What would happen if Surfer wasn't amped by Loki? It's obvious. Eliminating the nuisances would allow him to focus on the task at hand instead of those around him. Being able to fight without restriction would enable him to use his powers in a more intelligent and effective way. Eliminating the outside interference by Loki would have Surfer operating at normal levels. Basically the fight would be more fair. With all of the above the end result may be the possible change of the outcome of the fight.
Although people despise the Blood and Thunder arc you cannot ignore the content of the arc. Surfer and a host of others were incapable of defeating and restraining a blood lusted, rage induced Thor. They made their attempts, and failed miserably. Could it have been written better? Of course. Would the premise of the battle be different if written today? Of course. Would the outcome of the battle be any different? I doubt it, at least in Surfer's case. This was the first time we were exposed to the power of a blood lusted Thor. A Thor without restraint or remorse. A Thor whom only wished to bust ass, and well, thats what he did. Fortunately for Thor's case, and my own the forum rules pre determine his mentality, placing him in a blood lusted state, making Warrior Madness an obtainable possibility.
How'd their fight go after Surfer claimed not to be holding back any longer?
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His reflexes may be up to snuff. As for his durability? He should be alright.
Here he takes a bomb thats capable of destroying a planet.
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Here the takes the pressure of score of planets.
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Takes a blast equivalent to an exploding sun.
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Survives the pressure and heat of the suns core.
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I think his durability will hold up. 😉
Now I've set by and read lets a lot of arguments regarding why each character should be capable of defeating the other. Quite frankly I've seen a lot of poster without knowledge of either character blindly scream Surfer would win. Basically because of the hype surrounding Surfer and other heralds of Galactus. Sure a few posters such as Bran or Goober form strong arguments supporting Surfer's case, but nothing would persuade me in thinking Surfer's capable of taking the majority against Thor. Maybe 3 or 4 wins, or possibly even a split. However the majority? No. Not against a rage induced Thor.
My take on the fight? Possibly Thor 6/10 or even a 5/10 split. At least while operating at levels such as these.
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Sure Thor was killed, but he had a great showings against a Galactus level character.
Lets talk about speed. The speed Surfer doesn't have without his board which has proven to be no so indestructible. In fact it was broken by Durok.
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Outside of his his board, I don't think Surfer will be able to use his speed in any way to gain an advantage over Thor.
Power? Thor's power rivals if not eclipses Surfer's. In fact, Surfer admits it himself.
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As for examples of power....
"The fabric of infinity itself starts to shatter"
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A blast capable of tearing the very fabric of the universe.
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Exitar... (note, Thor has the belt of strength, however through WM he should be capable of duplicating a similar attacks.)
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The famous cheap shot hat nearly killed Galactus.
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There is much, much more but this should be enough to get my point across.
Add all those up and you get a beast ass Thor. At least while he's blooslusted and not fighting like an idiot.
Also, did I mention that as of his new series Thor is new longer holding back? Thor not holding back equals an unlucky Surfer. Just look above as he was knocked at for brain refreshment.
As for speed, Thor should be able to find ways around it. He could summon omnidirectional storms, break Surfer's board, summon shields, etc. In fact below is a shield that nullified a bomb capable of destroying 1/5th the universe.
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With massive absorption abilities, unparalleled strength, millions of years of battle experience, exceptional skill and prowess, unrivaled godly power, and a mean right hook(See Surfer ktfo'd above), he should have this battle in the spades.
Of course this is my opinion. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant as I doubt you could sway me to think differently. You're welcome to try, but fail to see any reason to debate against it. So do as you wish, debate until your fingers fall off, but this is my opinion and will remain my opinion. 🙂
I mean, how could a bad ass warrior god lose to a square with metallic skin anyways? 😎
The scan where Thor takes the nuclear device that would destroy a planet... he was traveling too fast for it to have any effect on him.
Most (all) of the attacks someone mentioned take time to complete... and direct hits. 🙂
WM = a common use on the forum... happened three times in comics (one was an alternate reality). 🙂
Just wanted to point that out... context I mean. 🙂
Mine was original as well. 😠
Still haven't seen this magical Thor argument though...
Because it's so subtle, it's worth pointing out again. 😏
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The Surfer (standing on rubble, not his board) has separated Thor from Mjolnir and has the thunder god crawling on the ground. The Surfer was able to do this because of unrelenting cosmic fire...which he then ceases. 'Tis good Soarin' Norrin is a not a Go-for-the-Kill type, because this is the pause which allows Thor to recover.
Regardless, SS knew exactly what to do: an immediate tactical assessment executed to perfection (which he then wastes by monologuing). Please keep in mind that this is also a Surfer still a fraction of his original power (even with Loki's amping, yes. I've posted the history and reasoning for this often enough; see thread page 41).
In the very last panel, the Surfer says the "mallet's magic" is truly mightier than his cosmic force. Not Thor. The above would appear to bear this out.
Originally posted by Mindship
Because it's so subtle, it's worth pointing out again. 😏http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurferv1004p042ip2.jpg
The Surfer (standing on rubble, not his board) has separated Thor from Mjolnir and has the thunder god crawling on the ground. The Surfer was able to do this because of unrelenting cosmic fire...which he then ceases. 'Tis good Soarin' Norrin is a not a Go-for-the-Kill type, because this is the pause which allows Thor to recover.
Regardless, SS knew exactly what to do: an immediate tactical assessment executed to perfection (which he then wastes by monologuing). Please keep in mind that this is also a Surfer still a fraction of his original power (even with Loki's amping, yes. I've posted the history and reasoning for this often enough; see thread page 41).
In the very last panel, the Surfer says the "mallet's magic" is truly mightier than his cosmic force. Not Thor. The above would appear to bear this out.
See above explanation.
Fraction of his original power? The only powers taken from Surfer at that time were I believe his time manipulation power. Assuming he only possessed a fraction of his normal is speculation. Not only that, but it's obvious that at the point of the fight, the writer was no longer writing Surfer as if he restrictions were placed upon him.
Also, that last statement is irrelevant as Mjolnir's power is Thor's power just as the PC belongs to Surfer. Outside power sources given to them by more powerful "masters".
