Silver Surfer vs Thor

Originally posted by Larceny
What's the point? BTW, you lied. ✅

Although if I did lie... I felt the need to debate, and I know you like to defend Thor. 🙂
And when Bran hasn't debated (a debate to me anyway, but I have argued about random things that I don't care about) in months... Bran will have his debate, or at least the feeling of debunking something...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I said I wasn't going to respond to a post against mine... your post, was clearly not against mine.

Although if I did lie... I felt the need to debate, and I know you like to defend Thor. 🙂

I know, but thats a long post. I don't think I currently have the energy. 🙁

On another peeksy... it appears Surfer has seemingly gotten three upgrades since his first fight with Thor.
When a piece Deathurge merged with him.
When he had the Blackbody in him.
And the recent Annihilation.

Plus...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg

🙂

Oh, and bump.

I've always wondered

despite Thor having proven himself to be more powerful then Surfer on multiple occasions

Surfer draining Superman has always been a factor in their fights

why isn't Thor draining Surfer of his power cosmic a factor in this one?

Thor 10/10 though.

Thor just has Surfer's number.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I've always wondered

despite Thor having proven himself to be more powerful then Surfer on multiple occasions

Surfer draining Superman has always been a factor in their fights

why isn't Thor draining Surfer of his power cosmic a factor in this one?

Thor 10/10 though.

Thor just has Surfer's number.

It's not like Surfer won't make him work for it, at times, he just doesn't have it in him to beat Thor straight up.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I've always wondered

despite Thor having proven himself to be more powerful then Surfer on multiple occasions

Surfer draining Superman has always been a factor in their fights

why isn't Thor draining Surfer of his power cosmic a factor in this one?

Thor 10/10 though.

Thor just has Surfer's number.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Surfer draining Superman has always been a factor in their fights

why isn't Thor draining Surfer of his power cosmic a factor in this one?

I'm going to call this speculation, but it deserves saying; Surfer was able to sample and simulate the Odin Power enough to alter Beta Ray Bill, so why wouldn't he be able to do the same thing to Mjolnir? I'm sure he couldn't totally overcome Odin's enchantments, by why couldn't he mess with them enough to keep Thor off balance?

Roarin Norrin.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Mostly because it ain't easy to do. Quasar couldn't do it, I don't think Thor would either.

I'm going to call this speculation, but it deserves saying; Surfer was able to sample and simulate the Odin Power enough to alter Beta Ray Bill, so why wouldn't he be able to do the same thing to Mjolnir? I'm sure he couldn't totally overcome Odin's enchantments, by why couldn't he mess with them enough to keep Thor off balance?

Because as previously shown, science has no effect on magic.

Hmm since i have no interest in debating this I will go head and say Thor 10/10 because I'm a fanboy.

Originally posted by Larceny
Because as previously shown, science has no effect on magic.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
And yet Surfer messed with the Odinpower and altered Beta Ray Bill. Then again, the Power Cosmic is hardly science...

Originally posted by Priest
He has, but Galactus himself cannot control, or manipulate magic, so i think that was a PIS moment.
Also im sure if Odin didn't want Surfer to manipulate the Odin Power, Norrin couldn't. Just saying...

It isn't like he overpowered Odin or was portrayed above Odin, he just synthesized the Odin Power.

Originally posted by Larceny
It isn't like he overpowered Odin or was portrayed above Odin, he just synthesized the Odin Power.

As for Galactus, has it ever been stated that he cannot control or overcome magic? Perhaps this is not what you were suggesting. In the end, I'm not sure that it matters, since the PC has essentially the same effect as magic.

I recall the instance in which he was stalemating Agamotto in his own realm. It was there stated that Galactus does not understand magic, but this is not to say he cannot overcome magic. He seemed to have little problem battling Mephisto in his own realm or ultimately defeating Dr. Strange on Earth.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Mostly because it ain't easy to do. Quasar couldn't do it, I don't think Thor would either.

I'm going to call this speculation, but it deserves saying; Surfer was able to sample and simulate the Odin Power enough to alter Beta Ray Bill, so why wouldn't he be able to do the same thing to Mjolnir? I'm sure he couldn't totally overcome Odin's enchantments, by why couldn't he mess with them enough to keep Thor off balance?

Eh Quasar's an inconsistancy, I can think of numerous beings below him who've done it.

The kicker is even if Surfer takes the energy out of Thor's hammer Thor's still going to be hitting him with CL 100 blows from an Uru Hammer that Surfer has shown he's not good at taking in their previous match-ups. And then you'll have to prove that if Thor tries to reabsorb it Surfer's adapt enough with controlling the magical energy that Thor won't just be able to easily take it back

and then some.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
And I'm not suggesting he would overpower Thor, but Surfer [B]did take Odin by surprise in that instance and might throw Thor off balance and limit his techniques with the same trick.

As for Galactus, has it ever been stated that he cannot control or overcome magic? Perhaps this is not what you were suggesting. In the end, I'm not sure that it matters, since the PC has essentially the same effect as magic.

I recall the instance in which he was stalemating Agamotto in his own realm. It was there stated that Galactus does not understand magic, but this is not to say he cannot overcome magic. He seemed to have little problem battling Mephisto in his own realm or ultimately defeating Dr. Strange on Earth. [/B]

He seemed to have near mortal trouble with the god blast. 🙂

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
The kicker is even if Surfer takes the energy out of Thor's hammer Thor's still going to be hitting him with CL 100 blows from an Uru Hammer that Surfer has shown he's not good at taking in their previous match-ups.

Originally posted by Larceny
He seemed to have near mortal trouble with the god blast. 🙂

Could Surfer manipulate the Odinpower? I think so. Could he get a win (easy or otherwise) from doing so? Again, I don't think so, but he might confuse Thor for a bit.

And Surfer is not going to instantly collapse before a HtH Thor. This isn't WM Thor. Surfer has stood toe to toe with Abomination, Champion, Wonder Man, Lunatik, and Krosakis (with the Unipower and Gladiator's power) and manhandled most of them.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Eh Quasar's an inconsistancy, I can think of numerous beings below him who've done it.

The kicker is even if Surfer takes the energy out of Thor's hammer Thor's still going to be hitting him with CL 100 blows from an Uru Hammer that Surfer has shown he's not good at taking in their previous match-ups. And then you'll have to prove that if Thor tries to reabsorb it Surfer's adapt enough with controlling the magical energy that Thor won't just be able to easily take it back

and then some.

Anyway... you haven't even scratched the surface of what would be needed for Thor to absorb his power... speculation.

Why I responded to this bullshit is beyond me...

EDIT: Ah... fixed. 🙂