spider- man vs daredevil

Originally posted by jrodslam
I know statistically Spidey is better. Thats obvious. But are you saying just because someones statistically better against another, they win automatically? Thats surely not the case. Smarts play a factor as well. Fighting ability also. DD's senses allow him to roll with tougher opponents punches. They also help him deal with faster opponenets.

well statistics are important. so are factors like you say such as intelligence or previous feats, but DD is facing an opponent where intelligence doesn't count for much when your opponent is punching you like 15 times a second. Fighting skills doesn't mean anything against an opponent who can leterally run circles around you. as for previous feats, well spidey fights a whole bigger league than DD. Spidey has fought Bullseye once, and Bullseye was forced to run away in the fight. DD usually has a long drawn out battle with Bullseye such as the time elektra was killed, or Bullseyes brain tumor storyline or when he first got his adamantium. spidey beats up guys wayy more powerful than this every day of the week.

Daredevil can win if he fights dirty. While spiderman has more durability and strength a shot to the nuts is still gonna hurt him like a mofo. Daredevil's fighting skill allows him to hit that spot easily in a close quarters situation.

Originally posted by willRules
well now you are predicting the outcome in terms of speed, who is faster? spidey is easily faster.

Did i ever say DD was faster? I dont think so. Spidey even stated that no matter how fast he was, he still couldnt land a good hit to put DD down.

Originally posted by willRules
The spider-sense doesn't tell Peter what the danger is it tells him what to do to avoid the danger, following it instinctively Peter has been known to dodge lasers, machine gunfire etc etc. DD can work out the danger through things like (example) a jump in heartbeat. he then must decide how to react and then react. By this time Spidey would be knocking him unconcious, he is simply too strong and too fast for DD.

Read above.

Originally posted by willRules
But only just. he can't do it easily. he needs to predict the movements. Spidey dodges bullets like we breathe, its virtually a natural, instinctive reaction.

You make it seem as if DD just stands they and tries to predict. Its just as natural for him as it is Spidey.

Originally posted by willRules
But it takes effort and he does it with training and peak huma speed. Peter dodges lasers with natural superhuman ease.

Originally posted by willRules
the spider-sense tells Peter he is in danger and immediately alerts him what to do to avoid the danger. the radar sense is merely and awareness of danger. it doesn't tell matt what to do to avoid it. He must use his own time to work that one out.

The radar sense tells DD what the danger is. As soon as he knows what it is, he moves out the way. You think he has to put together an equasion on how to avoid the danger?

Originally posted by willRules
well he is much more likely to knockout DD than DD to lay a finger on him.

Spidey said no matter how fast he was, he couldnt get a good enough hit to ko DD. DD has punched Spidey many times before. Instead of using a fist it will be fingers. Not that hard. It would be easier for DD to land a finger than Spidey to ko DD.

Originally posted by jrodslam
She has precog and got webbed up? 😆

She?

Scarlet spider his clone.

Spidey said no matter how fast he was, he couldnt get a good enough hit to ko DD. DD has punched Spidey many times before. Instead of using a fist it will be fingers. Not that hard. It would be easier for DD to land a finger than Spidey to ko DD. [/B][/QUOTE]

so true.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Spidey said no matter how fast he was, he couldnt get a good enough hit to ko DD. DD has punched Spidey many times before. Instead of using a fist it will be fingers. Not that hard. It would be easier for DD to land a finger than Spidey to ko DD.

yep and one shot to the nuts will take out spidey

Originally posted by willRules
well statistics are important. so are factors like you say such as intelligence or previous feats, but DD is facing an opponent where intelligence doesn't count for much when your opponent is punching you like 15 times a second. Fighting skills doesn't mean anything against an opponent who can leterally run circles around you. as for previous feats, well spidey fights a whole bigger league than DD. Spidey has fought Bullseye once, and Bullseye was forced to run away in the fight. DD usually has a long drawn out battle with Bullseye such as the time elektra was killed, or Bullseyes brain tumor storyline or when he first got his adamantium. spidey beats up guys wayy more powerful than this every day of the week.

Intelligence counts for alot. DD plays on the defensive against Spidey, seeing how spidey said no matter how fast he is he cant land a good enough hit on DD. When DD gets an opening, he then attacks Spidey. Smarts is always a factor when fighting an opponent who has advantages over you. Fighting skills also play alot in DD's favor because he can literally put Spidey down with a touch.

You also mention villains crossing over? Spidey lost to Owlman. Someone who DD beats up on the regular. Bullseye also beat Elektra who is a better fighter than both. Whats your point. When villains cross over, sometimes they job sometimes they dont.

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
yep and one shot to the nuts will take out spidey

thats if he can land a hit on spidey in the first place.

One shot to the nuts isn't even going to hurt that much for someone with endurane like his. a guy that gets hit with punches from metas,shot at,sliced and still pushes through and endures it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You make it seem as if DD just stands they and tries to predict. Its just as natural for him as it is Spidey.

umm no its not as natural. thats sort of the entire point. Spidey dodges things with superhuman ease and he does it natural, the spider-sense is a natural reaction for him from the back of the brain. DD radar and other senses may be considered natural, but he still hs to work out how to dodge which isn't natural. Spidey's spider-sense works it out for spidey, therefore its natural.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The radar sense tells DD what the danger is. As soon as he knows what it is, he moves out the way. You think he has to put together an equasion on how to avoid the danger?

Nope but he has to work out how he is going to dodge. Spidey's spider sense when he allows it, allows him to instinctively dodge these things. it cuts out the middle man to quicken the process. DD lacking in a spider-sense doesn't have this advantage.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Spidey said no matter how fast he was, he couldnt get a good enough hit to ko DD. DD has punched Spidey many times before. Instead of using a fist it will be fingers. Not that hard. It would be easier for DD to land a finger than Spidey to ko DD.

So you are telling me spidey who has dodged lasers and various weapons/opponents who are by far faster than DD, can't dodge DD?

Whereas you provided scans written with spidey at his worst and DD with all he has got so that means DD can hit him when peter fights opponents like he usually does? Does DD have a slow-motion aura which means spidey can't dodge him but dodge things far faster than DD?

Originally posted by Jose123
She?

Scarlet spider his clone.

I dont know why, but i had Spider Woman on the mind. Is Scarlet Spidey as good as the original?

Originally posted by Jose123
a guy that gets hit with punches from metas,shot at,sliced and still pushes through and endures it.

Dont all heroes? Thats why they are heroes.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know why, but i had Spider Woman on the mind. Is Scarlet Spidey as good as the original?

yup,sometimes better with his gadgets

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know why, but i had Spider Woman on the mind. Is Scarlet Spidey as good as the original?

Same powers.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Dont all heroes? Thats why they are heroes.

yep. so a shot to the nuts especially from someone who isn't that strong compared to the people who knock his ass around on a regular basis isn't going to do anything.

Originally posted by Jose123
yep. so a shot to the nuts especially from someone who isn't that strong compared to the people who knock his ass around on a regular basis isn't going to do anything.

thats assuming DD hits Peter's nuts, and Peter simply doesn't dodge, or knock DD out before he kicks him there.

Originally posted by willRules
umm no its not as natural. thats sort of the entire point. Spidey dodges things with superhuman ease and he does it natural, the spider-sense is a natural reaction for him from the back of the brain. DD radar and other senses may be considered natural, but he still hs to work out how to dodge which isn't natural. Spidey's spider-sense works it out for spidey, therefore its natural.

Yes its just as natural. Unless youre saying its the Spidey-Sense that moves Spiderman. Both the spidey and radar sense warns them of danger. Both of them are able to move to avoid the danger. Daredevil doesnt take extra time ti figure out a plan. Its just as instinctive for him as it is for Spidey.

Originally posted by willRules
Nope but he has to work out how he is going to dodge. Spidey's spider sense when he allows it, allows him to instinctively dodge these things. it cuts out the middle man to quicken the process. DD lacking in a spider-sense doesn't have this advantage.

What?:wft: DD just dodges. He doesnt work anything out.

Originally posted by willRules
So you are telling me spidey who has dodged lasers and various weapons/opponents who are by far faster than DD, can't dodge DD?

Did i say Spidey couldnt dodge DD? They both have hit each other plenty of times. Thing is, Spidey cant land a good enough hit to ko DD. Thats my point. Regardless of how fast he is.

Originally posted by willRules
Whereas you provided scans written with spidey at his worst and DD with all he has got so that means DD can hit him when peter fights opponents like he usually does? Does DD have a slow-motion aura which means spidey can't dodge him but dodge things far faster than DD?

Ahh, i see. So both scans i presented was Spidey at his worst because he couldnt ko DD? None of Spideys opponents are as skilled fighting wise and have the radar as DD so you cant really compare.

Originally posted by Jose123
Same powers.

But are they both skillfully equal?

Originally posted by jrodslam
But are they both skillfully equal?

Originally posted by Jose123
yep. so a shot to the nuts especially from someone who isn't that strong compared to the people who knock his ass around on a regular basis isn't going to do anything.

Well first off, theres a certain weakspot in the nuts. Its much easier to still be standing after a punch or kick in the face or chest. However being hit in the balls is a whole different story. Im not saying DD would do it though. But if he did, Spidey would sure as hell feel that.

Originally posted by jrodslam
But are they both skillfully equal?

Pete has a good 3-4 years experience on him.