Corlindel> “But most of the archological discoveries in Mesopotania at the XIX/XX CENTURY were made following the old testament.”
Such as? Could you give me a link or two or three??
” Just interpretate the Bible as a ancient manuscript as another else forgetting the religion mentions. That's what I meaned.”
Ah, well, THAT’s a different story. Let’s see if we can agree on the following: Some parts of the Bible is based of factual people and events? Not everything in the Bible is true?
If we agree on that, then the example of a Roman morningstar and a Babylonian King should be seen in the context of ME trying to convince YOU, that not everything mentioned in the Bible will EVER be found – as the Bible is based on myth and folklore.
The Israel/Palestine conflict? Hm, the only roots I see of that in the Bible is that the borders of Israel were pointed out to Moses by the Christian God (Moses then proceeded to die on the mountain, so how do we know what the borders are??), and so you have a state/religion which in the Torah claims to OWN a particular piece of land.
No, I’m a physicist, not an archeologist. I do know that Juadism, Christianity and Islam share the first books in the Bible and therefore have common roots, yes. And?
What escape from Babylon?
My current ”sources” are given to me by Christians on this forum, who points to various creationist sites, and the Ron Wyatt Museum. Doing a small search on the topics shows a lot of crap, nonsense and outright lies.
” But remember that religion gave is contribution to the evolution of knowledge.”
Hm, where? When? Religion halted scientific discoveries in Europe for centuries in the Middle-ages. Or look here http://skepdic.com/refuge/harm.html .
All> Is there some truth to Greek, Roman, Babylonian and Christian fiction? Sure. Does that mean everything from some source is true? No. Think Atlantis. My problem is Christians going along the lines of ”See, King Hammurabi really existed. It proves the Bible is the truth.”
Bah!
And there is the good Noah-question: If the Ark came to rest in Turkey, why doesn’t records show all animals to have originated in Turkey?
And why do those who believe in these story vanish when I ask questions????
[i]All> Is there some truth to Greek, Roman, Babylonian and Christian fiction? Sure. Does that mean everything from some source is true? No. Think Atlantis. My problem is Christians going along the lines of ”See, King Hammurabi really existed. It proves the Bible is the truth.”
Bah![/B]
I will only reply this and that about middle age the rest I will PM or post here later ok.
Ofc that "everything from some sorce" is not true as there are no evidences of most of all describe in the Bible. And so, thats I am not christian or a religious person. So I agree with you. What I am trying to explain is that no mather how many "lies" - I dont like this word - are there, Bible still is a good source of knowledge bcs help you to known social and culture facts of that age.
And ofc some, and I say it again, SOME christians going along the lines to presume that Bible is always true.
At least people learn that King Hammurabi really existed and that can be a beggining to learn more.
Ah! About that link, I didnt see it yet, but I understand what you mean.
But if you consider islam in ocidental middle-ages, and if you investigate it, you will see that religion was not an handicap to science evolution. Just remember the oriental medicin evolution comparing to the ocidental evolution at that time. This is just a point. Ofc that when religion is interpretated with fundamentalism there is no place for science or at least it is to difficult to cohabit.
But everiything has is place on time, and even if we think about the philosophy in middle age when our friend St Anselmus 😛 and St Thomas were science worst enemies, I think we must tolerate them and think that sometimes a step backward can help us to take two steps ahead firmly.
Conclusion: I agree with you but I still dislike your radical points of view.
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Originally posted by yerssot
so, from mount ararat it went to antartica?
and how convinient they "can't get it", you do know that there are people (Dixiedancecourt and someone else, both belgian) who pass poles for scientific research? they CAN get there!
No they can't. I'll try to find the article that I got this info from, but we've moved and everythings everywhere.
yes, there are people who can do reasearch and withstand the cold cold temperatures and stuff, but the article said that they can only spot the ark from a distance and they took a picture of it.
It is too far away from them to get to it, yet alone try and haul it out, so no, they CAN'T get there!
OMEGA: And there is the good Noah-question: If the Ark came to rest in Turkey, why doesn’t records show all animals to have originated in Turkey?
And why do those who believe in these story vanish when I ask questions????
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actually its Armenia,...cuz the turks took Armenian land in genocide of 1915...but you have a good point. i remember i read did a report on agriculture/botany...and somehow i started reading that life and all of agriculture began in Afghanistan...
Originally posted by eleveninches
Why would Noah have got off the ark in antarctica. You would need to explain how he got from Antarctica to the middle east with all of the animals without any of them dying.
There was no wood in antarctica to build another boat, so there was no way they could have got to where they ended up.
No, no. Noah never got off the ark in Anartica. He got off of it in the middle east, or something. It's just that after all of these many years, the boat has wandered to Anartica.
I mean, after he got off the Ark, ever wondered what he did with that buge boat?? Perhaps God moved it there . ..
Corlindel>
”Bible still is a good source of knowledge bcs help you to known social and culture facts of that age.”
How do you know that? The Bibles been rewritten and gone through faulty translations, so we don’t even GET an accurate or semi-accurate picture of social/cultural facts. We may get a picture of how some monks in the Middle-ages translated latin.
”At least people learn that King Hammurabi really existed and that can be a beggining to learn more.”
Frankly – I think people should get better sources. Sources that are not riddled with contradictions, graphic violence, and sexism.
”Ah! About that link, I didnt see it yet, but I understand what you mean.”
Not even a peek? Have a look and answer me when and where religion did good things.
“But if you consider islam in ocidental middle-ages, and if you investigate it, you will see that religion was not an handicap to science evolution.”
No, we had the House of Wisdom (I think) in what’s Bagdad today (I think, can’t remember the exact name or place) some centuries before the turn of the first Millennia. But NOT being a handicap does in NO way mean it’s furthering.
“But everiything has is place on time, and even if we think about the philosophy in middle age when our friend St Anselmus and St Thomas were science worst enemies, I think we must tolerate them and think that sometimes a step backward can help us to take two steps ahead firmly.”
History cannot be changed. But I will never condone the prosecutions against science by the Church in the middle-ages. And taking steps backwards does NOT mean it helps taking to firm steps ahead. That’s trying to turn a bad thing that shouldn’t have happened into something less bad. If science had not been halted for almost 500 years – think of where we’d be today.
HockeyHorror> Goodness. Do you want me to write “If the Ark came to rest in Turkey (formerly Armenia), why doesn’t records show all animals to have originated in Turkey (formerly Armenia)?
Life and all of agriculture starting in Afghanistan?? Shouldn’t you call the area by it’s right former name back when it started? And life didn’t start in a specific geographic location. Agriculture probably started around Eufrat and Tigris and then the Nile.
RoguePW25> Tell me how that Ark-thing supposedly ended up in Antarctica? And how Noah and co. got back to Judæa from the Southpole?? A place with a couple of permanent bases. AND if the Ark ha been found there don’t you think some rich Christians would easily sponsor an expedition to uncover i? The reason they don’t is because they know the Ark isn’t there.
The Ark WANDERED to Antarctica???
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GOD moved it? To the Southpole? Why? If the boat was in the way why not simple make it VANISH – forever?