Agnostics or Atheists

(hugs Phoe back)

Not offended! But I'll need some help buying a handbag.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
But they both say they have proof, Phoe. Answer is simple- one, or both, of them are wrong.

Not everything is simple, especially not in politics. Perhaps there is no black and white - only many shades of grey.

Originally posted by Phoenix
It's not misleading, it's a dictionary definition.

The important point is this use of the word 'Faith'. The word faith as applied to religions does not apply to atheism. It does not matter what other literal meanings it can also have- so it is misleading to try and muddle that.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
(hugs Phoe back)

Not offended! But I'll need some help buying a handbag.

I have a shoulder bag you could borrow... It's lilac, with a kitty kat piccie on! 😄

Originally posted by Phoenix
Not everything is simple, especially not in politics. Perhaps there is no black and white - only many shades of grey.

Err, then they are both wrong, seeing as you are the one invoking that they 'know they are right'- that leaves no room for shades of grey.

My logic stands.

Originally posted by Phoenix
I have a shoulder bag you could borrow... It's lilac, with a kitty kat piccie on! 😄

Oooh, cool..

But logic has no place with people, who are an illogical species.

Now the Vulcans, that'd be a different story... 😄

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oooh, cool..

so enthusiastic! 😄

I cannot help thinking you are somehwat branching off into something else there, m'dear!

Anyway, I'm not your prime 'enemy' here, as you know; Omega will fill that role perfectly. I just like things well-defined.

Well, how am I supposed to be able to make a quality control statement on handbags?

(hides)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I cannot help thinking you are somehwat branching off into something else there, m'dear!

Anyway, I'm not your prime 'enemy' here, as you know; Omega will fill that role perfectly. I just like things well-defined.

I'm not the one being all attacky! 😛

*dons hobbit armour*

oof, bit of a squeeze...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, how am I supposed to be able to make a quality control statement on handbags?

(hides)

*sighs*

Oh, if only Tex were here... 😛

I think you should wear sexier armour...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You have to prove things positive, Lil, not negative. Basic rule. It is up to someone to prove God exists before anyone has to make any move whatsoever to prove otherwise.

As those with faith are not interested in proof- because they have faith- I don't really see what your point there is.

Defining God would take us into an entirely different topic, though.

😑 I was continuing from Phoe's ''prove that table exists'' and Fires ''if God was proven to exist'' ''you cant prove god exists''

Read few replies before my. I wasnt even talking to you but generaly on comments made 😑

Well, I apologise if I misinterpreted you. I think it was worth mentioning though.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Now the Vulcans, that'd be a different story... 😄

Originally posted by Fire
Trekie ALERT

But I like Star Wars too... now, ehen I'm being a Geek, I have to debate with myself whether to say 'May the Force be with you' or 'live long and prosper'!

Originally posted by Phoenix
But I like Star Wars too... now, ehen I'm being a Geek, I have to debate with myself whether to say 'May the Force be with you' or 'live long and prosper'!

why not say: may the force live long with you and prosper?

ok...lame 😮

idd 😄

Fire> Ah, no. If God(s) were proven to exist, then it would not be faith anymore. Then it would be what Phoenix claims to have: Knowledge. But it is not science.

Gregory> 😄 Ah, well. Then it's a very lousy God, not letting hs/her worshippers know hs/her will, huh?

Phoenix> Knowledge still requires proof. That you draw into this a thing lie politics won't make it better. The Palestinians THINK they are right. The Israels THINK they are right.
Let a comitee of historians, politicians and economists see who really IS right. Again - claiming knowledge is not the same as HAVING it -
A claim does not equal proof or fact. If I claim i can fly, I can refuse to show you, because I KNOW I can...?

And if you want a prime "enemy" (As Ush so eloquently puts it) it will probably be me... If enmity is needed.