Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Considering Darth Vader is possibly the biggest rip off of Dr.Doom ever, I'm voting Doom.Darth Vader would do that shitty throat thing, Doom would go:
[b]Doom:
Hahahaha funny.*Rocket to the head*
-AC [/B]
Great, another ignorant person to have this argument with. Vader was not a 'rip-off' of Doom. His LOOK was inspired by Doom, NOT his character. Learn what 'rip-off' means.
Oh, and 'huhuhuhuh', rocket to the head is blocked. Huhuhhuhuh.
hhhmmmm....well...given eaches complete recources available at hand at thier disposal...i think vader slightly comes out on top (i am talking the original and 'main' version of dr doom). but completely take away thier recources and put them both on a waste deserted island. dr doom would make vader is *****.
it should be considered that vader is thoudands of years advanced technologically and evotuionally, but even if they fought with thier complete recoureces at thier disposal, it would be vader's biggest fight in his career.
*sigh* Let me apologize up front if this has been covered in earlier posts, since I stopped reading at page 12.
Anyways...
it's been stated that Doom would win against Vader in a NEUTRAL universe where both's standard powers are in effect.
There have been many arguements about Doom's magic being unable to penetrate Vader's Force shields/walls/mind. Fine, I'll accept that. However, Doom's magic would still still apply to standard space/matter, would it not?
Doom could conjure up a spell to move the 10' x 10' x 10' area Vader was occupying into the heart of the nearest sun, could he not? The Force may be limitless, but we never see Jedi's surviving the vacuum of space and I'm sure the heart of a sun wouldn't be much better.
Ta-da, instant win.
Vader unable to be transported? Fine. Doom blasts a giant chasm beneath Vader. Vader falls. If he can't cushion his fall, he dies. If he can, Doom unleashes a sonic blast. The Force doesn't block sound, of it does, not enough to prevent what's left of Vader's ears and teeth from shattering. Battered, it's only a matter of time before Vader falls to Doom's onslaught.
Oh no, Vader's still deflecting all of Doom's attacks? Fine. Doom sets off a nuclear bomb he's got in his back pocket. Doom's armor can withstand energy and radiation at ground zero. Can Vader's?
Still not enough? Vader reads Doom's thoughts/sees the future? If Vader can, then he immediately pledges allegience to Doom. Why? Because he'd see that Doom would handily destroy the Emperor - something that, despite all your claims, Vader is incapable of doing. Vader's been looking for a way to kill that old coot for years anyway.
Seeing his chance to destroy the emperor as well as lure his son to the Dark Side (because let's face, Doom could do bring Luke to heel), Vader gladly becomes the right hand man of the most powerful being in the universe - Doctor Victor Von Doom.
See? No use of magic directly against Vader. No Ovoid mind swap. No time to allow Vader to bring either saber or Force bolts into play. Just Doom being an overwhelming presense with backup plans and enough savy and resources to either overpower or subdue Vader.
Originally posted by nomsans
hhhmmmm....well...given eaches complete recources available at hand at thier disposal...i think vader slightly comes out on top (i am talking the original and 'main' version of dr doom). but completely take away thier recources and put them both on a waste deserted island. dr doom would make vader is *****.it should be considered that vader is thoudands of years advanced technologically and evotuionally, but even if they fought with thier complete recoureces at thier disposal, it would be vader's biggest fight in his career.
Vader is thousands of years behind in technology yes? Star wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Doom exists in a Galaxy occupied by beings as old as time itself (galactus, watchers, beyonders, etc.) and is still inteligent to sometimes surpass their technology, if not assimilate it to his own means...how would you call Vader's resources and tech superior?...Doom has TIME MACHINES! what would stop him from traveling back in time and killing Anakin as a punk kid?
"Great, another ignorant person to have this argument with. Vader was not a 'rip-off' of Doom. His LOOK was inspired by Doom, NOT his character. Learn what 'rip-off' means."
The presence he has, the look, the voice (which not european) has that booming sound you would expect from Doom.
In all honesty, Doom would create his own "Force" if he had to. Vader's a master with a lightsabre and the force. Doom is a master of just about everything else.
-AC
Originally posted by Wynndar
Vader is thousands of years behind in technology yes? Star wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Doom exists in a Galaxy occupied by beings as old as time itself (galactus, watchers, beyonders, etc.) and is still inteligent to sometimes surpass their technology, if not assimilate it to his own means...how would you call Vader's resources and tech superior?...Doom has TIME MACHINES! what would stop him from traveling back in time and killing Anakin as a punk kid?
Behind in technology? Did you even SEE Star Wars? Just because the story took place thousands of years ago does not automatically make it behind in technology. It takes place in a galaxy far, far away, meaning you cannot compare times.
Also, Vader can survive in the vacuum of space. He doesn't breathe. And remember after Episode IV he had to cross hundreds of light years of space to get back to Coruscant after the Death Star exploded. A normal person would have died, Vader can go into a Jedi trance. Besides, as I said, he doesn't breathe and the suit protects him from the radiation of space.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Great, another ignorant person to have this argument with. Vader was not a 'rip-off' of Doom. His LOOK was inspired by Doom, NOT his character. Learn what 'rip-off' means."The presence he has, the look, the voice (which not european) has that booming sound you would expect from Doom.
In all honesty, Doom would create his own "Force" if he had to. Vader's a master with a lightsabre and the force. Doom is a master of just about everything else.
-AC
The presence he has is the presence all villains have. Would you argue Vader or Doom is a rip-off of Dracula? The European voice, the cape, the funny looking face...no. Again, Vader's appearance is inspired by Doom, but his character is completely different. It's original to the Star Wars storyline, in which Doom cannot be instilled. The whole 'they both wanted to take over the world/galaxy' argument doesn't work either because it wasn't Vader's idea. He was just offered lots of power and a chance to kill all the Jedi that pissed him off.
Doom is a master of many things yes, but the 'Force' pretty much includes 'everything else.' It's the friggin' Force for crying out loud.
"Doom is a master of many things yes, but the 'Force' pretty much includes 'everything else.' It's the friggin' Force for crying out loud."
Yeah but as said, Doom has time travel. He could either go kill Anakin or invent something to combat whatever Vader has. Realistically, can pretty much create anything he wants.
-AC
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Doom is a master of many things yes, but the 'Force' pretty much includes 'everything else.' It's the friggin' Force for crying out loud.