Oh yeah, coz I said it, and you said it back. Slick.
Anyway, yeah it is. What's your point?
If I throw a stone, it's a projectile. If I fire a missile, it's a projectile.
You can block a stone, does that mean you can block the missile just because they both fall under the same catagory? No it doesn't.
Just because Yoda can block force lightning, it doesn't mean Vader can block Dr. Doom's concussion beams.
Keep em coming though champ.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI am giving reasons why I thing Vader would win and all you say is "no he cant". That is a good strategy you have there. I might have to start that.
Yeah but this thread is Dr. Doom Vs Vader.He isn't anywhere near as strong as Yoda, he blocks laser shots. He couldn't block concussion beams.
I think your desperation has been quite clearly displayed. Thanks for participating.
-AC
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I am giving reasons why I thing Vader would win and all you say is "no he cant". That is a good strategy you have there. I might have to start that.
Yeah exactly, you're giving ways in which you think Vader COULD win. I'm disagreeing, such is the wonder of debate.
If you are really under the impression that Vader can block concussion beams and win the fight with just the force and a sword, I laugh. Because that isn't going to happen.
You say Vader can force choke Doom, that's your way of Vader winning. He can't force choke if he's dead can he?
-AC
Your saying Dooms only chance is Energy projection? Well Vader has been training to defend that kind of attack since he was 9. Doom has about zero chance in hitting with any energy attack. First it would be hard to do if you cant breath, second dont you think Vader can see things before they happen or just not when they fight Marvel characters?
No. I don't Agree. And I never shall. You underestimate the Force. We've seen Dr. Doom in his prime but the Force in its prime never. Like Vader said. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force" Who knows if Vader will or wont go apeshit against Dr. Doom and really use the Forces' full potential on Dr. Doom and on top of that being that Vader is of the Force which will enable his to tap into beyond limits and at a much more deeper concentration. Just reread the Vader quote again and just think about what happened to Alderaan, 3x bigger than earth, the planet the Death Star blew to pebbles in less than a second. Now, imaging what the Force can do to Latveria. Nuff said.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
"The ability of Dr. Doom is insignificant, next to the power of Darth Vader" That will be his next infamous quote.
Hahaha. I noticed how Fist didn't call you a fanboy.
You Star Wars kids....you make me laugh.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Your saying Dooms only chance is Energy projection? Well Vader has been training to defend that kind of attack since he was 9. Doom has about zero chance in hitting with any energy attack. First it would be hard to do if you cant breath, second dont you think Vader can see things before they happen or just not when they fight Marvel characters?
No I'm not saying Doom's only chance is energy projection.
Being trained to block blaster lasers and droid fire is one thing. I doubt Obi Wan and Qui Gonn said to him "One day you might encounter someone who can destroy mountains with beams, you must use the force." Did they? No they didn't. Why? Because the two universes are separate. The level of power in SW universe is alot different than in Marvel. Marvel work on a grander scale than SW.
Doom, whether you like it or not, agree or not, accept it or not, simply has too much for Vader. It's not as simple as "Vader would just force choke him".
Anyway, if we wanna get technical. Doom has a time machine. He could go and kill Anakin as a kid. Case closed. Doom has more ways to beat Vader than Vader has to beat Doom, by far. All you are clinging to is "force choke".
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
No. I don't Agree. And I never shall. You underestimate the Force. We've seen Dr. Doom in his prime but the Force in its prime never. Like Vader said. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force"
Hahaha, blatantly a member of the Lucas Arts fan club.
Anyway, why have we seen Doom in his prime? No we haven't. The force can't be in it's prime, it's an entity, not a person. All depends on the person wielding it. Vader was at his strongest as time grew. In Episodes 4, 5 and 6, he did nothing that suggests he could beat Doom.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Who knows if Vader will or wont go apeshit against Dr. Doom and really use the Forces' full potential on Dr. Doom and on top of that being that Vader is of the Force which will enable his to tap into beyond limits and at a much more deeper concentration. Just reread the Vader quote again and just think about what happened to Alderaan, 3x bigger than earth, the planet the Death Star blew to pebbles in less than a second. Now, imaging what the Force can do to Latveria. Nuff said.
Hahahahahaha. Why are you talking about Alderan, the Death Star and Latveria? Too funny. This is about Darth Vader Vs Dr. Doom.
You are going by movie quotes, nothing more. Villains as powerful as the ones in Marvel, don't exist in SW universe. If they did, things would be different.
Point is, Vader hasn't demonstrated the power you think he has. Most likely because you're imagining he has it. In all of the appearances he's made, what has he done? Beat an ageing jedi and a reckless jedi, choked some imperial admirals. He simply isn't enough to beat Doom.
Then you said "Wait till Ep 3". Why? He won't be doing anything in Ep 3 that he couldn't do in Ep 4, 5 and 6.
Doom beats Vader, deal with it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha. I noticed how Fist didn't call you a fanboy.Anyway, if we wanna get technical. Doom has a time machine. He could go and kill Anakin as a kid. Case closed. Doom has more ways to beat Vader than Vader has to beat Doom, by far. All you are clinging to is "force choke".
Hahaha, blatantly a member of the Lucas Arts fan club.
Anyway, why have we seen Doom in his prime? No we haven't. The force can't be in it's prime, it's an entity, not a person. All depends on the person wielding it.
Hahahahahaha. Why are you talking about Alderan, the Death Star and Latveria? Too funny. This is about Darth Vader Vs Dr. Doom.
what has he done? Beat an ageing jedi and a reckless jedi, choked some imperial admirals. He simply isn't enough to beat Doom.
Then you said "Wait till Ep 3". Why? He won't be doing anything in Ep 3 that he couldn't do in Ep 4, 5 and 6.
Doom beats Vader, deal with it.
-AC
First of all I know Juggs was just joking. You apparently took it serious. Chillax. (Chillout+Relax)
If you really wanna get technical, Dr. Doom would fail in his attempt to kill young Anakin because of the prophecy of the chosen one that has to happen to be fulfilled. Dr. Doom would disintegrate in between time continuums attempting to do so. Little Annie wins let alone Vader.
Lucas Arts? Whats that? You know something I don't, honestly.
Dr. Doom is always primmied up whenever he goes up against FF and loses.
The Force canot be in its Prime ? Its an entity? Even better. It's a limitless power is what your saying, right ?
I bring up the death star, and Alderan as references to what the Force is capable of since you regard the force "not enough".
What has he done. He has no major enemies of worthy magnatude in the Empire. He breds fear thoughout the Galaxy just by the mention of his name, I read. Thats why i said wait till ep. 3, which I know you'll watch even though you dont like Vader at all. A hypocritical move I would say.
Nuff said. Vader beats Dr. Doom. face it. what can a "mountain destroying" blast do against the Powers of the Daark Side.. of the Force..Nothing Vader wins !!! Chillax.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
First of all I know Juggs was just joking. You apparently took it serious. Chillax. (Chillout+Relax)
Nope. Was aware of your joke. Was funny. I'm perfectly calm Mr. Vein Popper.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
If you really wanna get technical, Dr. Doom would fail in his attempt to kill young Anakin because of the prophecy of the chosen one that has to happen to be fulfilled. Dr. Doom would disintegrate in between time continuums attempting to do so. Little Annie wins let alone Vader.
Hahahahahaha. You sir, are the definition of fanboy. Absolute, unbridled biased.
"Oh but the prophecy" man, hahaha. Ridiculous. It wasn't fated, Anakin was discovered. Hence why they took him. They didn't go searching for him.
Regardless of your Star Wars loving antics, the time travelling is just one was for a win to Doom. But let's get back to Vader/Doom.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Dr. Doom is always primmied up whenever he goes up against FF and loses.
Clearly know nothing of the F4, Doom and their encounters then.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The Force canot be in its Prime ? Its an entity? Even better. It's a limitless power is what your saying, right ?
Wow, appears I know more about the force than you do. No it's not limitless because Vader can't even use it to a major potential. There are people who use it at max and he is nowhere near them.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I bring up the death star, and Alderan as references to what the Force is capable of since you regard the force "not enough".
You mean what Vader boasts that the force is capable of. He never said the force is capable of destroying planets. He said that all the technology isn't comparable to the force purely because he is an old styled believer in it. We clearly saw him be proved wrong when the lightsabre sliced his arm off and sent him to death. The force was strong then huh?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What has he done. He has no major enemies of worthy magnatude in the Empire. He breds fear thoughout the Galaxy just by the mention of his name, I read. Thats why i said wait till ep. 3, which I know you'll watch even though you dont like Vader at all. A hypocritical move I would say.
He had no major enemies? I swear he fought Luke and got whooped. Fought Obi Wan and got near fatally wounded, causing him to wear a life support suit. Hmm....you don't know your Star Wars too well do you? He's lost against every major threat he's faced.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Nuff said. Vader beats Dr. Doom. face it. what can a "mountain destroying" blast do against the Powers of the Daark Side.. of the Force..Nothing Vader wins !!! Chillax.
What can rationality and common sense do to the powers of the fanboy? Nothing also.
Hence why I'm the one seeing sense and you're the one weaving the wig of George Lucas.
Regardless of what you think, Doom isn't losing this fight. All you can reply with is random, farfetchedness and fanboyistic fanaticism.
-AC
Hahahaha.
If the planet destroying technique fails................the next rational step, to you, is flying around in a tie fighter? Hahaha.
No, Vader doesn't have a planet destroying device. He had ONE, it was called the Death Star. Took about a million staff to operate only to get blown up by Billy Dee Williams in a rust bucket of a spaceship.
Sure was a sturdy ol' lady.
-AC
well if my planet killer diddnt work properly. I dont think i would wait around to long, i mean that thing was the size of a moon. police are bound to spot that fairly easily.
you say vadar HAD one, If we are debating the possibility of doom and vadar battling, then vadar is still alive. I really dont see doom being an enemy to vadar though. I bet he gets in good only to stab him in the back and steal his moon of death, and goes off to kill the fantastic 4