Originally posted by WarSpawn
-Form bolts of energy with a great destructible power?
yes, if he tasked himself to it
-Make an astral form?
yes
-Teleport anywhere, even in another dimensions?
with a ship, yes he can
-Levitate?
yes
-Create portals anywhere?
yes
-Create illusions?
yesand i fail to see why you're laughing.
I meant under his own power...I doubt that Vader can travel between dimensions...
Doom traveled to Hell, I think. But I think that Strange helped him with that...or not. Someone, help me.
But anyways, Dr. Strange could beat Vader with magic.
-Form bolts of energy with a great destructible power?Yes.
Where he did that? I never have seen it. But yeah, if Emperor did that, Vader could probably learn it.
-Make an astral form?Yes.
Ok, maybe. But where he did that?
Teleport anywhere, even in another dimensions?Yes, with a ship, he can.
Aha! But he can't do it under his own power! Doom probably can.
-Levitate?Yes.
Yeah, I believe that he can do this with his own power. But he can't fly- Strange can.
-Create portals anywhere?Yes.
I believe that Vader can't etc. travel to planet to planet under his own power.
-Create illusions?Yes.
Yeah...maybe. But they aren't as strong as Strange has, I can assure that.
So yeah, I believe that magic is stronger then force.
Kontraz
if neither get any "powers" its going to be a bitter brawl... what condition is doom in minus his suit and magic? Cuz if hes fine and healthy, he could PROBABLY beat up on an old man on life support... unless we are talking about pre-accident vader, who then would be victorious if no powers were in use.
Probably? He'll kill old Vader. Pre-accident Vader would have a fight on his hand and might either stalemate or get his butt kicked. Reason being that Doom once fought and KILLED a lion with his bare hands while nake. Though Jedi's are trainned fighters, this trainning is in conjunction with the force. They rely on the force to sense moves to counter, even more than their eyes. Luke blind folded himself during trainning and relied on the force to guide him; he also did this during the aerial battles. Thus without the force, pre-accident Vader have a handicap. He still does have skills but lacks the force sense that all Jedi skills rely so much on.
Ok, maybe. But where he did that?
ha! But he can't do it under his own power! Doom probably can.
But he can't fly- Strange can.
I believe that Vader can't etc. travel to planet to planet under his own power.
But they aren't as strong as Strange has, I can assure that.
dude, doom would annihlate vader. so, omfg, shut the f*** up.
Beyonder, that's not exactly true. In the New Jedi Order series, the Jedi had to learn to fight without the Force due to the fact that their enemies didnt exist in it. And though some died, they still kicked their asses in the end.
Warspawn, you totaly forget that Doom has doombots. There is no way he can use the force to combat 5 doomboots AND doom at the same time.
"Narf narf force throws energy absortion narf narf "
How in the hell is he going to absorb something... he cant ****ing see coming ? Oh wait. He cant. You are basing every point of your argument on the fact that this fight will be in the starwars universe, but why dont you go back and read my post and try to prove ME wrong! You CANT! So shut the hell up you goddamn FANBOY!
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Warspawn, you totaly forget that Doom has doombots. There is no way he can use the force to combat 5 doomboots AND doom at the same time."Narf narf force throws energy absortion narf narf "
How in the hell is he going to absorb something... he cant ****ing see coming ? Oh wait. He cant. You are basing every point of your argument on the fact that this fight will be in the starwars universe, but why dont you go back and read my post and try to prove ME wrong! You CANT! So shut the hell up you goddamn FANBOY!
WarSpawn
you forget. Vader's the Chosen One. His control of the Force isnt matched by any other except perhaps Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron.
You mean his sperm was, right? Everyone in the council objected (including Yoda), except Qui-Gon Jinn said he'll teach Anakin himself and be his mentor. He's good, but Luke Skywalker is the Chosen One.
once again, all i hear is "Doom would win". Why dont you try posting some of those numerous reasons of why Doom would win.
In a NEUTRAL UNIVERSE (is always applied when a threat does specify the place of battle), where both have their standard weapons and powers, where the force operates as it does in SW universe and magic operates as it does in MU, Doom would win. Why? Here's the proof WarSpawn.
Vader's Suit (nothing special) - Doom's armor is comparable to Iron Man's (durability for one), photon blast, force field, sonics, super strength, aborbtion of energy, flight, scanning & analysis of subjects
Light Saber - negated by Doom's Force Field
Force Ligthninig - shield again
Jedi skills - shield & superstrength (Class 2 or above)
life support weakness - Doom has none
Force choke, telekenesis-like ability, force sense - magic, ovoid mind switch, flight, energy projection, superstrength, suit sensors (to analyze fight & at least try to counter force sense), sonic
Jedis can only control weak minded people, so Vader won't be controlling Doom. Doom, on the other hand, has one of the strongest minds in the MU. He beat the Beyonder through cunning and determination. And how can you resist the Ovoid Mind Switch when Doom's mind and will is greater than Vader's.
If Vader tried to cut Doom with his light saber, would be close enough to rip Vaer's arm off, or blast a sonics at him. Even if Vader had him in a force choke, Doom can still turn up his sonic and kill Vader that way. Magic isn't Doom's specialty - it's his technology & intellegence & determination.
Good enough reason and proof for you?
okay, doom bots would be idiotic... if he's allowed doom bots then vader's allowed his own clones (which he did have)...
force lightning MIGHT be abble to penetrate any force field. Its not electricity... its an embodiment of raw power (hence why it killed vader... it didnt shock him to death, it completly drained him of any life force).
The force "choke" would definately work, as it is simply the draining of life out of another person, barriers are not an issue.
Dooms "mind switch" would NOT work on Vader, as the force keeps one's mind 100% intact (and under their control). This is why jedi cant even PROBE another's mind (not force trick, but even take a glance in there...) and how the emperor was able to clone himself so many times...
oh, and "jedi strength" is pretty much unlimited... they are able to lift, suspend, freeze, etc, PLENTY. Don't really know how strong doom is, so im not gonna say vader is stronger, but in the books they could lift falling buildings, etc.
[QUOTE]okay, doom bots would be idiotic... if he's allowed doom bots then vader's allowed his own clones (which he did have)...force lightning MIGHT be abble to penetrate any force field. Its not electricity... its an embodiment of raw power (hence why it killed vader... it didnt shock him to death, it completly drained him of any life force).
The force "choke" would definately work, as it is simply the draining of life out of another person, barriers are not an issue.
Dooms "mind switch" would NOT work on Vader, as the force keeps one's mind 100% intact (and under their control). This is why jedi cant even PROBE another's mind (not force trick, but even take a glance in there...) and how the emperor was able to clone himself so many times...
oh, and "jedi strength" is pretty much unlimited... they are able to lift, suspend, freeze, etc, PLENTY. Don't really know how strong doom is, so im not gonna say vader is stronger, but in the books they could lift falling buildings, etc.
Guess you decided to ignore my post which was above yours huh? 🙄 And then blabbed on about Doom not being able to mind switch with Vader. 🙄
And force lightining looks a lot like electricity to me. And lightning isn't raw power? Doom's shield will hold and he can also absorb the stuff (whatever it is) as well.
Originally posted by WarSpawn
LOLfunny
projectile weapons are the stupidest weapons to use against a Jedi. They can just Force push it back to the shooter.
Vader can see a bullet coming at him at 300 mph? No? Even if a 9mm doesn't work, if Doom was forced to, he'd have a Doombot nearby with a sniper rifle. Yea, it's cheap, but like I said, Doom is the most determined man in all of comicdom. He does what has to be done to be victorious, whether it's seen as honorable or not.