Vader Vs. Dr. Doom

Arachnoidfreak

Vader can see a bullet coming at him at 300 mph? No? Even if a 9mm doesn't work, if Doom was forced to, he'd have a Doombot nearby with a sniper rifle. Yea, it's cheap, but like I said, Doom is the most determined man in all of comicdom. He does what has to be done to be victorious, whether it's seen as honorable or not.

Since when does Vs fights include outside help unless specified? Usually if there are no specifications, it's a one on one fight.

And Dr Doom does not need his bots or to even spy and learn Vaders secrets; he'll win by himself and his standard gears...or do you doubt the good Doctor, Arachnoidfreak? 😉

hahaha, doubt Dr. Doom? I'm not foolish enough to do that. I've said all throughout this thread that he would hand Vader his ass. Though, he nearly always has a Doombot go in before he does, this is Doom's "preperation time" that he sometimes needs.

True but this IS still a one on one fight. That has to be taken out of consideration even though he often uses it.

Well, in any case, I believe Doom would crush the old bald guy. I mean Vader.

ya doom owns all

You CANT! So shut the hell up you goddamn FANBOY!

Luke Skywalker is the Chosen One

Vader can see a bullet coming at him at 300 mph?

how can you resist the Ovoid Mind Switch when Doom's mind and will is greater than Vader's.

the force is unlimmeted, but darth vader does not have access to the whole force, where doom can pretty mutch do wut ever he wants with his magic

Originally posted by Beyonder
Guess you decided to ignore my post which was above yours huh? 🙄 And then blabbed on about Doom not being able to mind switch with Vader. 🙄

And force lightining looks a lot like electricity to me. And lightning isn't raw power? Doom's shield will hold and he can also absorb the stuff (whatever it is) as well.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html

force lightning might appear as electricity, but its not. Oh, and my comment about the mind switching was actually DIRECTLY referring to your comment above mine. The force shields a jedi's brain 100%, no mind swapping going on in any form...

WarSpawn

willpower has nothing to do with the mind switch, it still wouldnt work because the Force is unlimited.

And yet a Jedi can only use mindcontrol over the weak minded - gee the Force IS unlimited. 🙄 Doom mind switches with him. Doom wins.

Kontraz

force lightning might appear as electricity, but its not. Oh, and my comment about the mind switching was actually DIRECTLY referring to your comment above mine. The force shields a jedi's brain 100%, no mind swapping going on in any form...

Read what I wrote earlier:

In a NEUTRAL UNIVERSE (is always applied when a threat does specify the place of battle), where both have their standard weapons and powers, where the force operates as it does in SW universe and magic operates as it does in MU, Doom would win. Why? Here's the proof WarSpawn.

Vader's Suit (nothing special) - Doom's armor is comparable to Iron Man's (durability for one), photon blast, force field, sonics, super strength, aborbtion of energy, flight, scanning & analysis of subjects

Light Saber - negated by Doom's Force Field

Force Ligthninig - shield again

Jedi skills - shield & superstrength (Class 2 or above)

life support weakness - Doom has none

Force choke, telekenesis-like ability, force sense - magic, ovoid mind switch, flight, energy projection, superstrength, suit sensors (to analyze fight & at least try to counter force sense), sonic

Jedis can only control weak minded people, so Vader won't be controlling Doom. Doom, on the other hand, has one of the strongest minds in the MU. He beat the Beyonder through cunning and determination. And how can you resist the Ovoid Mind Switch when Doom's mind and will is greater than Vader's.

If Vader tried to cut Doom with his light saber, would be close enough to rip Vaer's arm off, or blast a sonics at him. Even if Vader had him in a force choke, Doom can still turn up his sonic and kill Vader that way. Magic isn't Doom's specialty - it's his technology & intellegence & determination.

i know, i did read it... hence why i said doom WOULDN'T be able to mind switch him... the force shields it "in a neutral universe". Also, i didnt say the lighting WOULD hit, i said it might, i dont really know how it works, i just know its not electricity. That, and doom would have no way to counter the force choke (or lift or push for that matter)

And yet a Jedi can only use mindcontrol over the weak minded - gee the Force IS unlimited. Doom mind switches with him. Doom wins.
I also wrote some stuff about sonics. Think Vader can stop or absorb sonics with the Force?

As for Force Lightning, energy is still energy. Doom absorb the Power Cosmic before and, unlike the Force, Power Cosmic has demonstrated feats beyond what the Force can do. Doom absorbs Force Lightning.

to quote the movies "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force". Really.... its the mortal's ability to wield the force that is limited, not the force itself. And as I said before, doom CANNOT mind switch with vader.... so stop using that one.

Kontraz

to quote the movies "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force". Really.... its the mortal's ability to wield the force that is limited, not the force itself. And as I said before, doom CANNOT mind switch with vader.... so stop using that one.

So which Jedi or Sith Lord destroyed a planet or even a continent with the Force?

If it's a limit based on the individual, then Doom wins. The guy willed himself and took over the Beyonder's powers. Even Xavier couldn't probe Doom's mind. Vader is weak minded compared to Doom. Vader's limitation means he CAN'T access the Force's unlimited powers - so again Doom mind switches with him.

It's not Doom Vs. The Force itself

It's Doom Vs. Vader

In a NEUTRAL universe, there would be no jedi powers. And doom wouldn't have his magic. Hell, if we just put them in OUR universe, the only thing that would work would be doom's suit and Vader's suit/saber.

Also, the blasters dont fire at the speed of light.... if they did the jedi wouldn't be physicly able to block them, the instant the trigger was pulled the blast would be done, not with this beam crap we can actually watch travel.

Once again, I have proven my point because no one has come up with a retort to my points. Therefore, Doom wins.

Nataku8188

In a NEUTRAL universe, there would be no jedi powers. And doom wouldn't have his magic. Hell, if we just put them in OUR universe, the only thing that would work would be doom's suit and Vader's suit/saber.

Then why have a fight at ALL if you're going to take away their standard abilities? In a Neutral Universe, neutral BECAUSE it tries to even things out, enabling both to operate as they would in their own thus have an ACTUAL fight, not a lopsided one.

it is impossible to even probe a jedi's mind, despite any form of "magic". And nataku, saying a jedi can't move at the speed of light doesn't mean in the least that doom has won. lol. That comment merely said that lazer's dont fire uber insanely fast.... doesn't really apply to this fight...

He's not probing Vader's mind but rather taking over the body, pushing Vader's conscience out of the body. And the Ovoid mind switch is NOT MAGIC. It's a technique used by a race of alien beings known as the Ovoids. Doom learned it from them.

Originally posted by Kontraz
it is impossible to even probe a jedi's mind, despite any form of "magic". And nataku, saying a jedi can't move at the speed of light doesn't mean in the least that doom has won. lol. That comment merely said that lazer's dont fire uber insanely fast.... doesn't really apply to this fight...

Sure it does, because a bullet from a standard .22 rifle is in the 900 fps range. Thats a lot faster then the stupid blaster rifles in starwars. If we are using the Jedi's force, then whos to say what Doom's magic Can or Cannot do? Hmm? Magic itself defies the laws of physics, so you can't say what effect it will have on the force itself in the first place. None of the force's rules apply to it.

And yet a Jedi can only use mindcontrol over the weak minded - gee the Force IS unlimited. Doom mind switches with him. Doom wins.

Thats a lot faster then the stupid blaster rifles in starwars

If I can see that bright red line, then the blaster isn't projecting shots at the speed of light. Can you see a bullet when it's shot out of a gun? the speed of light is 180,000 miles per second. that means that the NANOSECOND luke skywalker pulls the trigger, a stormtrooper's brains should be all over the floor. this obviously isn't the case.