Gladiator vs. Juggernaut

Gladiator can rip stars in half. I think he may have enough power to finish off Juggernaut. I've seen the Hulk in Secert Wars hold up a moutian range that weighed billions of tons. I'm not to sure what people are talking about when they say he is stronger than someone like Gladiator. I mean in order to rip a star in half you would have to be enormous and your invulnerability would have to be sufficant to withstand the heat of the center of a star.
That strength level combined with all the rest of his powers makes Gladiator the top contender to knock Juggernaut off his perch as Unbeatable.

I think Gladiator has beaten Juggernaut..not 100% sure.....

If he did I think it was easily, like he slapped him away or somthing

Gladiator takes this, but not because he can rip stars in half. I've never even heard he could do this...because mostlikely it isn't true.

ya, in that old x-men cartoon that used to come on when i was a kid, gladiator did punch juggernaut lik to another galaxy. just lik that. with such ease. it even makes me feel small. and by no means is juggernaut unbeatable. i mean you just mentione hulk. hulk owns juggernaut. i would take gladiator 100%

Gladiator has beaten Juggernaut already.

moshtitan

ya, in that old x-men cartoon that used to come on when i was a kid, gladiator did punch juggernaut lik to another galaxy. just lik that. with such ease.

No, Juggernaut was the one who threw the punch at Gladiator and had no effect at all. Gladiator didn't punch but grabbed Marko by the arm, fly upwards, and threw his ass across the ocean.

Originally posted by Beyonder
[b]moshtitan

ya, in that old x-men cartoon that used to come on when i was a kid, gladiator did punch juggernaut lik to another galaxy. just lik that. with such ease.

No, Juggernaut was the one who threw the punch at Gladiator and had no effect at all. Gladiator didn't punch but grabbed Marko by the arm, fly upwards, and threw his ass across the ocean. [/B]

yah i remembered that cartoon. it was funny to see the expression on juggy's face when he punched gladiator full in the chest and gladiator just smirked on him. gladiator has too much power at his disposal for juggy to match.

oh, and when and where did these 2 already fight? i wasn't aware of it (asides from the cartoons)?

yer talking about the imperial guard, not melvin potter, right?

yes, im assuming we're talking about the head of the imperial guard

ya thats how that cartoon happened. shocking really, how powerfulll gladiator is.

is this really a discussion?

Why wouldn't Gladiator just fly Jugg into a sun and drop him off there...

idk who has more TRUE power between the two...sometimes Gladiator seems vastly stronger than most earth heroes....but this is not his natural power...he uses psionic Shi'ar technology to enhance his strength....when this isnt working he was easily knocked out by invisible woman...cannonball has taken advantage of his artificial powers too...Galdiator is not unbeatable...but he would probably be a good match for Jugs, with or without his enhancements...his natural strength and durability r still way up there...his eye beams are pretty sweet too...but regardless....Jugs is way too slow to get close to touching Gladiator....his speed would be his greatest advantage in this fight.

If you look in the Marvel updated glossery of the 90's it tells why Invisible women could beat him. I think he may have fallen victim to some type of radiation, but i don't positivly recall the circustances.
Also it is unknown if Gladiator even uses shiar` tech. to increase himself, but it is presumed that since it is available that he most likely does.
There is actually a pic out there somewhere of Gladiator riping a star in half, ive seen it and also read about whether or not it was a boast. Marvel stated that he is probely capable of doing just that, then released the photo. Again i am not sure of the timeline of the release but there it is.
On the same note, i think Juggernaut of all individuals would be his best challenge. Frankly Cain is superstrong to invulnerablity, and then he is just plain invulnerable, and then he has the magic shield.
I'm not sure what it would take or even if Gladiator could get past the shield, and if he did he would face someone who should be completely invulnerable, at least thats how Juggs. was. Then he would face strength invulnerability.
It would be quit a freckin` match.
I'd be routing for Cain.

Wynndar
....when this isnt working he was easily knocked out by invisible woman...cannonball has taken advantage of his artificial powers too...Galdiator is not unbeatable

???Cannonball barely did anything; he managed one feat that stunned Gladiator. Gladiator was handling him like a baby for most of the time. And Gladiator's intent wasn't to kill the mutant; it was to draw out the X-Men and he succeeded.

This is a interesting fight. I remeber the fight that the X-men had with Gladiator and some other guys. The X-men matched up against a team with Gladiator on it. Don't remeber the comic book number, but it was a X-men comic. I know Gladiator had a fight with Collusus, and I believe Gladiator kicked Collususs ass, I think he knocked Collusus unconcious. Correct me if I'am wrong anyone. Anyway though, I know Gladiator is a bad ass fighter, and he's strong as hell, and he can kick most superheros or villans asses. I don't really know the extent of his powers, or weather or not he rely's on artifical or magical strength I don't know, but he's one tough cookie. Juggernaut, I know rely's on magic for his powers. Guess we need to see them fight toe-to-toe to see who wins, I don't know who's the better fighter, or who's more powerful? Very cool match up though 🙂

Gladiator's the better cause he's an imperial guard and probably lived longer than Kain. Gladiators more powerful and versatile as well.

for maelstrom:....im not sure who u r quoting from marvel...but if its the old marvel directory im pretty sure they mention he is vulnerable to an unknown wavelength of radiation....demonstrated by the Skrulls during his battle with the FF....however they do not say that is the reason Sue Richards easily knocked him out...they say his power is dramatically shortened when his confidence is compromised...and there is no evidence that this was caused by the radiation...additionally, his strength is augmented, for a fact, through some kind of psionic means...the same Marvel Directory says that this has been revealed to be Shi'ar technology...even Reed Richards stated that his powers were not brute strength, but psionic in nature...although he does still possess vast superhuman strength naturally, there would be no way for him to uproot a building without his psionic technology...the building would crumble under itself...this is fact...not speculation...and more evidence to why his powers r psionic....to Beyonder: i was not trying to say cannonball did anything, except take advantage of the psionic powers that belong to gladiator...it was being exposed to these powers that caused cannonball to absorb an unprecedented amount of kenetic energy...well, unprecedented for him at least...he didnt even do this consciously....i was not trying to build up cannonball or downgrade Glad. i was just giving more of an explanationof his powers...like he said, all gladiator would have to do to beat cannonball is punch him right into the sun...which he claims he can do...here is a good argument for why gladiator is not unbeatable, have u seen him battle Thor...they were both pretty evenly matched...I still say Gladiator takes down Jugs

I think you may be stating that the way you would like to understand it. They do indeed say the building would crumble with out some sort of aid to hold the building up, to be more percise. However, they go on to say they must speculate as to why the building didn't crumble and that includes the poss. that Gladiator is aided.
I think they want him to develope like a Prefect. Where he is total Strength, Invulnerablity and other powers that all complement his person.
I can say this, whenever there is real trouble in Marvel and no one else is up to the challenge, who appears but no one else than Gladiator.
Frankly though i see him as stronger and more invulnerable than Juggernaut ever was.
Superdarryl, the scene that wynnadr is speaking of is the one used in the Marvel deluxe edition under Gladiator. Right where he pics up the building and drops it on Colossus. It wasn't a contest. Gladiator got a little bit of dirt on him, but that is nessessary when you face off against someone.
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that the fight to save Phoenix form execution. Proffessor X felt really sad that Colossus had to be beaten down by Gladiator. He knew Peter could not hold his own, only postpone the inevitable.
Wynndar, i don't mean to sound like a jerk, but they just don't seem to know. Thanks for the psi explanation, the way i read it was that his uniform's tech. may actually aid him in what he does. So if it were his desire for the building to hold together it would.
Now if he has this psionic power all to himself, and the tech also aligns with the wearers power, then my own interpertaion of how strong he is has been an underestimation.

Originally posted by Maelstrom
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that the fight to save Phoenix form execution. Proffessor X felt really sad that Colossus had to be beaten down by Gladiator. He knew Peter could not hold his own, only postpone the inevitable

Yes, you're right, it was in an old X-Men comic, in my opinion a comic from a golden age - the John Byrne age 🙂. I think the fight was on the Moon, near the home of the Watcher, but I could be wrong. And Colossus lost to Gladiator, it was no real contest.

By the way, Gladiator can defeat Juggernaut. The way I see it, Gladiator IS Juggernaut with a few extras. But then again, didn't the Hulk almost kill Gladiator once ?

So maybe Juggernaut has a chance after all.

(Pff, I'm confused, I don't know who will win 🙂.)

If i remeber right the fight took place on a increadable hard to find planet that is guarded by a short sentinal(or guardian) who at a glace doesn't appear to imposing. He is supposed to be impassable for he guards the crystal that could destroy the entire universe. Dark Phoenix sought it and passed the little guy, and the classic Death of Phoneix, must a been in the early 100's of x-men or before, took place.