Originally posted by Never
He was upgraded. Those are old profiles. Peruse those profiles and you will see Colossus at ~Class 70 strength. He is now Class 100.
I don't quite get it. I was not talking about Colossus, but about Firelord.
Could be that Firelord was upgraded - I admit that I don't know. But he certainly was class 50 when taking fighting lessons from Spider-Man.
That I do know.
who?-kid
No, he did not deserve to win because he did his best. He deserved to win because he was the better fighter. What's the use in being stronger if you can not hit your opponent ?
Even if Firelord was at Class 50, that's still five times stronger than Spidey. This is just so wrong. Spidey beating a herald of Galactus? Spidey should've broken his hand against someone like Firelord. Winning in a fist fight? This is clearly ludicrous against someone like Firelord, cosmic no less.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Even if Firelord was at Class 50, that's still five times stronger than Spidey. This is just so wrong. Spidey beating a herald of Galactus? Spidey should've broken his hand against someone like Firelord. Winning in a fist fight? This is clearly ludicrous against someone like Firelord, cosmic no less.
No it's not ludicrous. Again, it was a very fair fight. Did you even read it ? It took Spider-Man two comics before he was able to beat Firelord. Before that, he mostly tried to run away from him, but that didn't go so well.
It was not a walk in the park for Spider-Man, but thanks to his speed, reflexes and spider-sense, he was able to avoid the attacks of Firelord.
When he went berserk, he hit Firelord from every angle, one powerpunch after the other !! Firelord didn't know what was happening to him. Who cares if he was 5 times as strong as Spider-Man ? Firelord didn't hit him even once !! Titania was stronger than Firelord, and Spider-Man beat her very easily!! He beat the crap out of her. Remember Rhino : same thing. I remember a comic in which he beat Rhino with ease (granted, sometimes he had more trouble).
Don't forget Firelord is a lousy fighter. He depends way too much on his firepowers, but when it comes to fighting, he's no big deal (a bit like Torch). He's not in the same league as the most famous herald of Galactus, Silver Surfer.
Btw, this thread was originally about Gladiator vs Juggernaut.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Remember Rhino : same thing. I remember a comic in which he beat Rhino with ease (granted, sometimes he had more trouble).
other than his speed and strength, Rhino has nothing to fight with...no brains, no fighting skills, nothing
firelord is galactus' herald right? which means he travels through space and is able to withstand the vacuum of space. Any person who is able to withstand the vacuum of space should never get knocked out by powerpunches from 10 ton class guys like spidey. the only reason why spidey won that fight coz he's 100 times more popular..... and because physics doesn't apply to comics....
interesting how Spiderman can seem to have his hands full against one baddie like Doc. Ock, but he can somehow handle all of the Sinister 6.
I would most definitly believe that Spiderman could have won this fight after seeing some of his past feats.
Firelord is by no means Silver Surfer. Firelord was like the weakest of Galactcus' heralds. And just because he's a lot stronger, doesn't mean that Spidey's punches and kicks wouldn't hurt him. Especially if he swings at Spidey and misses....leaving him open for a clean shot.
Of course. Firelord is a bit of an amateur when it comes to fighting (compared to other heroes). And he’s not half as durable as some people believe he is.
And again, Spider-Man has beaten other powerhouses too with his bare hands : Titania and Rhino, both are extremely strong and both are very, very durable.