gladiator has this one. yes he can rip stars in half. the thing that makes his strength incalculable is for the fact that, not only does he start out at class 100 under optimum circumstances, if he truly belives he can do something his will be done, this will further enhance his strength speed and invulnerablilty. this was most evident when he threatned to punch Cannon Ball to the sun, he would have done it too if CB didnt absorb the kinetic energy of the blow and turned it against him. also, by degrees of separation. back in the days juggy fought sasquash, who got his ass handed to him by Wendigo, who was evenly matched by the hulk, who was subdued by ironman in his hulkbuster armor, who got pulverized by Colossus, who could only manage to rip Gladiator's clothes in the dark phoenix saga. Therefore, Kallark would smash juggy to mush.
Originally posted by Beyonder
[b]Originally posted by JuggernautFan
i also believe that spiderman has a clear cut victory over firelord. we all know that spiderman is no match for juggernaut..... so yea id say it's well within juggernauts abilities to match firelord....Like Never said, Firelord is cosmic level; he shouldn't have lost to Spiderman.
I know Spideys beaten Juggernaut before, but he shouldn't be able to. Peter's at Class 10 and shoots webbing, yet that should not match Juggernaut's magical nature which gives him Class 100 and invulnerbility. Juggernaut getting beaten by Spidey is crap. Spidey beating Firelord is bullcrap.
Juggernaut's stat:
1] emassary of the god Cyttarok (magical in nature)
2] invulnerbility against attacks
3] Class 100
4] Magical Force Field
5] Intellegence: Low
6] SlowFirelord's stat:
1] herald of Galactus (cosmic in nature)
2] Can fly through a star like most heralds
3] Class 100
4] Energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star
5] Fly near light speedBtw these two, Firelord has the edge over Juggernaut against Spidey. Spidey's speed, sense, and ability to keep a distance gives him a better chance at fighting or surviving an encounter against Marko. Against Firelord - who's faster, stronger, and more versatile - Spidey would be lucky to live through such a fight with the herald. Peters wins against Juggy and Firelord are shit, mainly against Firelord. [/B]
Wrong. The fistfight against Firelord was a very fair fight. No tricks, no secret weapons, just man against... euhm man.
Granted, against Juggernaut, Spider-Man does not have a chance. His most famous fight against Juggernaut ended with Juggernaut being trapped in concrete. THAT was some kind of trap.
Without that concrete, Spider-Man could have ended up dead. But against Firelord, when he started fighting Firelord instead of trying to escape from him, Spider-Man gave him everything he got, and that's a lot.
He deserved to be the winner.
btw, I always thought Firelord was class 50, not level 100.
Originally posted by who?-kid
btw, I always thought Firelord was class 50, not level 100.
Nay.
Strength: 100 Class
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/firelord.html
Originally posted by manjaroalso colossus is beyond class 100 now
'Bout "top a top" and unno mussie CAAN read - shotta know how fe read and write, youthie. Nuttin' nuh goh soh true is ONGLE Class 100 strength, soh is how man and man can seh Colossus BEYOND Class 100?
When grown man talk pickney fe tannup one side.
dude, check the latest marvel encyclopedia, or x-men role playing game and you'll see that colossus is listed at class 100. Simply because he's a grown ass man now. as opposed to all the previous incarnations where he was a teenager.
what lower life forms need to realize is that class 100 is merely a template to categorize the strongest in the marvel universe. That doesnt necessarily mean that everyone who can lift a 100 tons is only limited to that number. Quite a few charcaters have the ability to go beyond that like everyone of those abstract cosmic entities, the Maestro, thanos apocaplyse, Savage hulk, thor, wonderman,the absorbing man, every god and so on . I could go on 4 ever dude.
WI HAVE DI MACHINE FI DUN A FASSY NOW!!
Lol @ machine. Unno lickle pyie pyie or one pop yuh ah buss?
"Old sawed-off pump rifle weh we have nah stall; fly through steel, bore through wall..."
If it "doesnt necessarily mean that everyone who can lift a 100 tons is only limited to that number" then that is understood when one references another character as "Class 100 strength," don't?
And mind yuh mouth my youth, bout "manjaro" and unno neva know bout Red Hills Road and Whitehall Avenue; Patch-Eye, Ainsley, Jeremy Lee.
I could go on 4 ever dude considering "dem trying and dem trying to test the big hi-fi; Jaro is ah mountain, soh why deny..."
Originally posted by manjaro
gladiator has this one. yes he can rip stars in half. the thing that makes his strength incalculable is for the fact that, not only does he start out at class 100 under optimum circumstances, if he truly belives he can do something his will be done, this will further enhance his strength speed and invulnerablilty. this was most evident when he threatned to punch Cannon Ball to the sun, he would have done it too if CB didnt absorb the kinetic energy of the blow and turned it against him. also, by degrees of separation. back in the days juggy fought sasquash, who got his ass handed to him by Wendigo, who was evenly matched by the hulk, who was subdued by ironman in his hulkbuster armor, who got pulverized by Colossus, who could only manage to rip Gladiator's clothes in the dark phoenix saga. Therefore, Kallark would smash juggy to mush.
but what makes gladiators strength drop?? when he saw cannonball take his most powerful blow what happened??? it shook his confidence. what would happen when juggernaut took his most powerful blow? then his heat vision? then his other array of powers without skipping a beat?? what happens to gladiator then? he get's pounded...... we can play what if's all day. you are also comparing a bunch of different times/people to each other. juggernaut fought sasquatch just rescently *stalemate, but juggernaut has been severely depleated of power as of late*. by your reckoning, juggernaut has beaten hulk/thor/colossus decisivly where gladiator never has. doesn't look so good for him now does it?
who?-kid
Without that concrete, Spider-Man could have ended up dead. But against Firelord, when he started fighting Firelord instead of trying to escape from him, Spider-Man gave him everything he got, and that's a lot.
He deserved to be the winner.
btw, I always thought Firelord was class 50, not level 100.
So because he gave his BEST he deserves to win? Spidey's class 10 while Firelord is class 100; how can one win in a fist fight against someone who's 10x your own strength? Firelord jobbed, otherwise Peter would've gotten his face f#cked up.
Originally posted by Beyonder
So because he gave his BEST he deserves to win? Spidey's class 10 while Firelord is class 100; how can one win in a fist fight against someone who's 10x your own strength? Firelord jobbed, otherwise Peter would've gotten his face f#cked up.
No, he did not deserve to win because he did his best. He deserved to win because he was the better fighter. What's the use in being stronger if you can not hit your opponent ?
Originally posted by Never
Nay.Strength: 100 Class
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/firelord.html
Nay.
Strength: 50 Class
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/f/firelord.htm
or
http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-firelord.html
or
Originally posted by who?-kid
Nay.Strength: 50 Class
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/f/firelord.htm
or
http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-firelord.html
or
He was upgraded. Those are old profiles. Peruse those profiles and you will see Colossus at ~Class 70 strength. He is now Class 100.