Fate

I tend to argue a lot with the idea that Everything that happens is meant to be

As if God has everything planned out, or as if life is a book just waiting to be read with scripted chapters, and the same ending every time its read, with no possibility of alternates.

It comforts a lot of people to beleive that everything happens for a reason, and that whatever is meant to happen will, and whatever is not meant to happen won't. It alleviates us of taking responsibility for our own mistakes, fortunes, misfortunes, decisions, relationships, etc.

I cannot beleive that.

so everyone's life is already written out ?

Some people are meant to live happy productive lives while others are meant to suffer greatly ?

Those victims of the Nazi Holocaust were supposed to suffer that way and they had no other choice in the matter, because some superior force already determined their fate ?

While a select few will live great and splendid lives simply because fortune favors them ?

Yeah okay......there goes Free Will...there goes Choice....there goes personal responsibility, and responsibility to the rest of our neighbors.

Just let things happen.....dont do ne thing...dont bother....dont try...you don't have to work out....if you are meant to be in shape, you WILL BE IN SHAPE 🙄

Don't go to college or try to earn a good salary...if you are meant to be rich, you will be rich no matter what you do !

🙄

Come on...who actually beleives this lie ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I tend to argue a lot with the idea that [b]Everything that happens is meant to be

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Not to be an ass but that's not much different than believing that God just plans out everything.

It's the "meant to be" part

Originally posted by chithappens
Not to be an ass but that's not much different than believing that God just plans out everything.

It's the "meant to be" part

I know...I do not beleive in God though (Christian-Judeo, Muslim God), nor do I beleive that everything that happens is meant to be

There are two ways in which we can approach the phrase "Everything happens for a reason". It can mean that everything happens for a purpose, or that everything that happens is caused by previous events and conditions leading up to the event. In my opinion, the latter interpretation is true, but the former is not.

Originally posted by Storm
There are two ways in which we can approach the phrase "Everything happens for a reason". It can mean that everything happens for a purpose, or that everything that happens is caused by previous events and conditions leading up to the event. In my opinion, the latter interpretation is true, but the former is not.

I meant the first translation, but I agree on the second translation 👆

Cause and Effect= Karma

If fate would exist, than reality is kicking fates ass.

Poor fate.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
"Do you believe in fate, Neo?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life."

What do you think of fate? Are we really in control of our own lives, or are we all part of some greater plan?

I'm not entirely sure myself. I don't like the idea that my future is planned out, but on the other hand, I sometimes feel like it is. When horrible things happen to people, they obviously didn't choose to have them happen. Is there a reason for these things to happen? Or is it just coincidence?

I do believe that you do have control of your future.At the same time God knows what is going to happen to al l of us before it even happens.KNowing this keeps me in peace in my mind.
Not sure why.I like this part in the movie!jm 🙂

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I do believe that you do have control of your future.At the same time God knows what is going to happen to al l of us before it even happens.KNowing this keeps me in peace in my mind.
Not sure why.I like this part in the movie!jm 🙂

If God knows what you will do ahead of time. Can you do something else or jist what he already knows?

Limited free will. We think we have freewill, and we do to some point, but I also believe that there is some string pulling going on up there somewhere. Maybe Karma or cause and effect or even contracts, and everyone knows you can't get out of a contract. 🙁 😑

if you took a single particle out of the place it is at any given time{assuming that time has totally stopped for the world} then the world itself would sieze to be. the placing of that particle at a given place at a given time is as important as the placing of the entire universal mass/energy at any given place at any given time.
all things exist because they were given purpose to exist which none can escape. no reality can exist whose existance was not already ordained. they exist BECAUSE they were ordained. so strong are the bonds of fate. none can surpass the eternal circle encompassing all. the god of gods. the irresistable driving force and purpose which moulds and pushes all things to become and perish, with time as its tool{the seeker and destroyer of all things material}. and if sum1 were to DEFY or ESCAPE fate. their punishment would be far too cruel to even imagine.

hmmm. just a trip down memory lane.

Been there.

crutch

If science is perfect, everything is preordained.

The interaction of particles on the smallest level are attributed to the laws of physics and particle motion, and do so in patterns. One event, be it a rock falling off a cliff and causing an avalanche, a lightning strike, or any other seemingly "random" event had to have had a cause that caused the occurence.

Similarly, the brain, as complex as it is, is made of things that are tangible. If one presumes that there is no divine "soul" that is not governed by the rules of reality, one must also assume the the biochemical reactions of everyone's mind is predetermined, as made by stimulus accumulated throughout one's life, as well as the genetic makeup of each individual.

So in the really, really big picture, I believe in fate.

Where do you exactly believe at? do you go for choice or you believe its destiny?

Destiny sounds much too mystical for my tastes. But yeah, I'm a determinist (destiny).

Actually, in my estimation, the only way we can have "free will" is via determinism.

Thought Experiment to Explain Myself:
In a free will system of thought, there is presumably a choice that we can make. So let's say I choose vanilla instead of chocolate ice cream. Now, once the choice has been made, let's rewind time to before the choice. I make another choice (it doesn't matter if it's vanilla or chocolate right now). Repeat that, say, 1000 times.

Under a free will system, I should (most likely) pick chocolate some of the time and vanilla some of the time. It's my choice. But how is it that the exact same set of circumstances, right down to a subatomic level, results in different conclusions? For that to happen there would have to be some random force outside of myself that changes the outcome (God, perhaps, or just random probability shifts if you don't want to think religiously). If that's the case, how is it my free will at all? The only way it can be MY free will is if it is the determining forces within me that make the decision, and nothing else...and if that's the case, I'll pick vanilla all 1000 times.

Otherwise, we're not really in control, and so-called Free Will is simply some divine game of control, or a force beyond the material universe that can alter outcomes in some way.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Destiny sounds much too mystical for my tastes. But yeah, I'm a determinist (destiny).

Actually, in my estimation, the only way we can have "free will" is via determinism.

Thought Experiment to Explain Myself:
In a free will system of thought, there is presumably a choice that we can make. So let's say I choose vanilla instead of chocolate ice cream. Now, once the choice has been made, let's rewind time to before the choice. I make another choice (it doesn't matter if it's vanilla or chocolate right now). Repeat that, say, 1000 times.

Under a free will system, I should (most likely) pick chocolate some of the time and vanilla some of the time. It's my choice. But how is it that the exact same set of circumstances, right down to a subatomic level, results in different conclusions? For that to happen there would have to be some random force outside of myself that changes the outcome (God, perhaps, or just random probability shifts if you don't want to think religiously). If that's the case, how is it my free will at all? The only way it can be MY free will is if it is the determining forces within me that make the decision, and nothing else...and if that's the case, I'll pick vanilla all 1000 times.

Otherwise, we're not really in control, and so-called Free Will is simply some divine game of control, or a force beyond the material universe that can alter outcomes in some way.

There is another possibility: time is chaotic. The past and future are not fixed. Now do your experiment... You can't say for sure what you did before because the past is chaotic. What you remember will depend on what you did now, and not be connected to what you did before. You will always make the same choice, but we do not know what that choice is because we cannot say that this choice is the same.

Well there could be choices that have greater chance to become destiny. Kinda like the movie "Butterfly Effect." Or the movie "What the Bleep do we know."

Always many choices that leads to certain destinies.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is another possibility: time is chaotic. The past and future are not fixed. Now do your experiment... You can't say for sure what you did before because the past is chaotic. What you remember will depend on what you did now, and not be connected to what you did before. You will always make the same choice, but we do not know what that choice is because we cannot say that this choice is the same.

Wtf? Buddhists are determinist! Get with the program shakya!

😛

...anyway, under that scenario you're still making the same choice. And I think that operating under this assumption would change my thought experiment considerably. I don't have knowledge of choosing "vanilla" in previous iterations when time is rewound...I'd be blissfully unaware for all 1000 iterations. And regardless of what we remember and perceive (which can indeed be illusory) the choice would remain the same, which was the point all along.

Our thoughts and choices attract our destiny, outcome and experiences. The more attention you give to the desire and your intention the quicker it manifests its self to you, whether negative or positive. We have free will and we create our lives. We are the magnet which pulls to us what we give our attention to. When you give your attention to a subject and you feel only positive emotion about it as you do so, it will come very quickly into you experience.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Wtf? Buddhists are determinist! Get with the program shakya!

😛

...anyway, under that scenario you're still making the same choice. And I think that operating under this assumption would change my thought experiment considerably. I don't have knowledge of choosing "vanilla" in previous iterations when time is rewound...I'd be blissfully unaware for all 1000 iterations. And regardless of what we remember and perceive (which can indeed be illusory) the choice would remain the same, which was the point all along.

However, the Uncertainty Principle could allow for more then one out come. It maybe vanilla for 1000 iterations or for 999. You can never know.