Fate

A little of both....but that's just me. I think you shape some of your own fate, but through free will.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
"Do you believe in fate, Neo?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life."

What do you think of fate? Are we really in control of our own lives, or are we all part of some greater plan?

I'm not entirely sure myself. I don't like the idea that my future is planned out, but on the other hand, I sometimes feel like it is. When horrible things happen to people, they obviously didn't choose to have them happen. Is there a reason for these things to happen? Or is it just coincidence?

I would have to go with Neo on this one. Not because I don't like the idea, but rather because it would devalue the worth of life. If life is basically us on an autopilot flight, what's the point of flying? I like to think that it is I flying the plane. Also, you could also consider the fact that everything you do can be blamed on someone else. Like if you kill someone, you can simply claim "I was fated to do it, how can I be responsible for what I can not control?" Also it is quite obvious to prove that our entire form of government, let alone the governments of others, follows areound the idea No fate. Just you and your choices. Because you know what they say, Life's all about choices, and happiness is a choice.

How many of you believe that fate exists? if you believe in fate do you therefore deny any responsibility for your own actions?.... do you believe the time of your death is preordained?

If you cut a deck of cards and see the ten of spades.... would you still have seen the ten of spades if you had cut the deck in a different place?... were you "destined" to cut that deck of cards at that specific card???

Or do you believe in free will? believing in free will is almost like admitting that there is no grand plan for existence, your life is pointless, nothing you do matters because there is no "meaning" behind it all no "fate" to guide you

obviously this doesn't cover every option... it's just a thread starter

what do you all believe?

If you go back in time and re-cut the deck in a different place, a different card will be shown. However, nothing ever happens by chance. There is always something that causes things to happen. Kicking a ball causes a cascade of effects whose outcome is determined by the interaction of all other causes occurring at that moment. If one part of this cascade is different, then the outcome will be different, regardless of how small a difference.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you go back in time and re-cut the deck in a different place, a different card will be shown. However, nothing ever happens by chance. There is always something that causes things to happen. Kicking a ball causes a cascade of effects whose outcome is determined by the interaction of all other causes occurring at that moment. If one part of this cascade is different, then the outcome will be different, regardless of how small a difference.

that does sound reasonable.... but it's not something that can ever be proven

the fact is, fate is either something you believe in or it isn't.... i'm fairly certain there's no way you could ever be sure anything you do wasn't predestined

Originally posted by Scoobless
that does sound reasonable.... but it's not something that can ever be proven

the fact is, fate is either something you believe in or it isn't.... i'm fairly certain there's no way you could ever be sure anything you do wasn't predestined

What you have to do is figure out what time is. Once you do that, then predetermination should be able to be proven or refuted. That seems easy, doesn't it? 😆

Until then it is just a believe; and I believe in cause and effect. 😄

Predetermination is just possible in theory, but in the real world it is impossible to determine everything since you will never have enough information to know exactly what will happen.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Predetermination is just possible in theory, but in the real world it is impossible to determine everything since you will never have enough information to know exactly what will happen.

I think what he is saying is not us predetermining but the laws of nature (or god) having everything already predetermined. It is like saying that the past, present and future have already happened and no matter were you are in time it can never change.

no, fate can be fought against i think. but its just about the most difficult thing in the world.

I guess I'm "Fated" to reply to these threads....... 😗

Originally posted by debbiejo
I guess I'm "Fated" to reply to these threads....... 😗

Oh no ! And we can`t be free of it ! 🙁

fate is something people make up when they dont want to except the responsibility for their own actions

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Oh no ! And we can`t be free of it ! 🙁

sadangel

Originally posted by tike900
fate is something people make up when they dont want to except the responsibility for their own actions

I don't believe in fate. I believe that you make your own life. Some events can only occur once a certain event has taken place, but you still have control over some things. A persons life can change instantly depending on the path they take - e.g if someone commited a crime, then they could find themself behind bars.

In the case free will exist, can we say that "free will was FATED to exist".

If free will is not fated to exist, is it just an accident ? Not something that is out there with some purpose.

Why I always have to think things like this while I´m on vacation ? Am I fated to do this ???

Maybe somethings aren't just fated, but influenced by some outside force...non biological.

We can' t really ever know how or if it affects our lives.

I wouldn' t want absolute free choice, as it would lead to infinite possibilities, and infinite complications as well as no inherent destination in life.

But imo we do have absolute free choice, this is why I have a problem is Karma..............If we are part of the creation with all its force, then we are also capable of all our choices of cause and effect..........It's called free will....

There are two ways in which we can approach the phrase "Everything happens for a reason". It can mean that everything happens for a purpose, or that everything that happens is caused by previous events and conditions leading up to the event. In my opinion, the latter interpretation is true, but the former is not.