Fate

Ah no, allowing them to see Heaven and then giving them an eternal torchure is what would make tourchure worse. Them knowng what heaven is and never being able to acheave it...

Then the pain and torment is bigger. If they never knew Heaven at any point, then they wouldnt know any better than sufering, so the torment will not have the sam effect, will it? How can you miss and greave for something you never knew or expreianced.

It's contradictory because according to the bible, if we do good all our lives, we will go to heaven. But if fate comes into play, and some divine being has already planned for you to go to hell, the two contradict each other...

Indeed, they'd be 'tormented by ten thousand Hells' simply by being deprived of that - regardless of the immediate torments of Hell.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The idea of fate contradicts the idea of God in religious sense. You cant have both. You either believe in God or you either believe in fate.

Originally posted by Dexx
can't see what you're on about. can't you consider that fate is the string of things that god has planned for everyone during their life span?

Originally posted by Darth Revan
It's contradictory because according to the bible, if we do good all our lives, we will go to heaven. But if fate comes into play, and some divine being has already planned for you to go to hell, the two contradict each other...

DR has explained for you.

I dont know how more plainly to explain it to you. The idea of Fate and God contradict each other. If unsure then re-read all my post and DR's post as well.

As I was trying to say earlier - predestination as in Calvin's theodicy is not contradictory, just a very raw deal indeed for the 'reprobate!'

And as I said earlier, there is such a thing as a Flat Earth society.

Well looking at it from Calvin's point of view however undesirable it may seem - usually bad people were inclined that way by outside influences - a sadistic psychopath is likely to have been routinely tortured with red hot pokers. So that is not there fault. If God decided to make certain people suffer eternally the best way would be to MAKE them bad!

I'd just like to ask Milla, do you follow Buddhism? And do you really believe that life is nothing but an onus? A weight to be carried till the day you keel over, and go onto "a better place"? Woah, I had no idea.....

And no, I do not believe in fate. I control my own destiny.

"Half of everything is luck, James..."
-"And the other half?"
"Fate/faith..."

(from Goldeneye)

Do fate and faith connect? I was just wondering if one word is derived from the other.......

Kerry - out of the all philosophies and religions i have read about and encountared in my life, I believe Buddhism is, in my view the best.

Im just sorry that some people still view Buddhism as a religion, which in fact it is NOT, its a philosophy of life.

There isnt such a thing as ''better place'' I believe you just as buddhism says ''become one with the universe''

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Just wondering chica, I had no idea you were at all religious (sorry, I know that's not the right word but I couldn't think of another one).

I guess, as an Atheist, I'm religious. Atheism is a religion in itself, or so I've been told. It's the belief in non belief.

*sigh*

What a load of crap. 🙄

Yeah, I've heard that too about atheism 👆 Ineresting. ✅

IMO, people just want to find a debate in anything.

People who think atheism is a religion or belief are simpy ignorant, and maybe fearful, of atheism.

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It cannot be a religion in itself, as it is the belief that there is no God, and ties in nicely with Humanism. The belief in the control of one's own destiny. Well, IMO anyway 😄

Well...there is one way to find out, someone should sit in front of an upcoming train and then tell us about it 😛

I would do so, but its against my religion to sit in front of trains and search for the afterlife answers 😎

Of course it's not a religion. That's just silly.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well...there is one way to find out, someone should sit in front of an upcoming train and then tell us about it 😛

I would do so, but its against my religion to sit in front of trains and search for the afterlife answers 😎

It can't be against your religion, you're not religious.

You're Way-of-life-ious 😄