Originally posted by The OmegaI suppose one way of defining “being in control” is being able to make my own decisions freely. That when I make a choice no one is telling me I HAVE to make that choice, and I am free to make another should I so choose. But then … what about consequences? What about the choices I cannot see?
Any takers?
but if life was predestined, noone really would be telling us directly what to do. we'd just do it. it sucks if you start thinking about it, but if you don't? then, for all we'd know, we'd just be following our own ideas, not the plan of someone else.
Now I have always believed in the concepts of heaven and hell, free will etc..........but I also very much do also believe that at the time of your birth God knows when and how you will die. I don't know how he does but I do think that he does. I mean even if you end up committing suicide, I feel that God knew that goin in.
fate cannot control your destiny...destiny is an illusion
your future is undecided...predictions thereof are based on useless informations of your past...
to believe otherwise is a fools folly...
Heaven and Hell only exists in the minds of those whose life has no meaning...and must use those concepts to explain away their existence
free will is the road to absolute slavery
Originally posted by Darth Revan
But free will is what you decide to do... So I guess I get what you're saying, but you can't really say it's "slavery" because slavery is when something external is telling you to do something. If you are telling yourself to do something, I wouldn't call it slavery.
yes. I guess slavery is when someone/something has the power to make you do things which might even be against your own will to their own advantage.
I've been thinking about that whole free will thing, and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Everything that goes on in your mind starts outside it; nothing in there is self-motivated. When you decide to move your arm, it's because of something outside your mind that your mind wants done because of something that happened outside it. When you're hungry, it's because your body needs energy. If that makes any sense at all.
I believe in both fate and God and I'm Catholic. First off, most people are saying that God condems and he tortures and well I've always been taught differently and I'm happier for it, I was always taught that God is all good, he never punishes you or sends you to hell, these things you do to yourself, God rewards but never punishes, those are just consequences for your actions, also, even in hell God to repent, as long as you repent heaven is for you. Also FATE, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, God told them not to eat from the tree of knowledge b/c he knew everything that man would do and he wanted to prevent it at the root but unfortunately, man ate. God knew the evil man was going to create and he tried to stop us, keep us protected however we didn't listen, it was fate that man would exist on this planet. Basically when you talk of all the bad things in the world, these came out of sins, man created these problms and man has to deal with the consequences. And about fate, I think the basic outcome of our lives are partially predestined, it depends on our own decisions, who we marry, our children, whether we will do good or bad, the basic life achievments are predestined, however it is up to us when we encounter them and whether we go to heaven or hell, due to the decisions we make we alter in a way fate, either suspend it or cause it to accelerate, ex: the man u will marry is predetermined as ar the kids u have but whether u marry @ 25 or @ 35 is up to the decisions you have made.
I agree with LilKitty that the concept of fate contradicts the concept of a good God. God is supposedly omnipotent, he knows all that will transpire from the dawn of time till judgement come. Right?
Then he(she/it) already knows the evil deeds that will be done. Heck, HE made them, since we’re his creation. Either God works in mysterious ways, influences our lives, has a set plan for each of us, and answers prayers or he doesn’t. If he does, then what’s the point? All I’ll ever do has already been determined for me. If God doesn’t, then he is not omnipotent.
I believe there are set patterns of fate, and through free choice we determine which fate we live. So i believe that there is fate, but we are always in control of it, all we have to do is stay focused, and be aware of it. This however is easier said than done, staying focused is what stops many modern day philosophers and motivators from ever being. Just be aware of your life and instead of being tossed around by fate, you can use that for your own aspirations
everything happens for a reason?
i believe that there is a reason behind everything, and that we have paths which we are supposed to follow throughout our lives.
although at times its hard to see the reasons behinds stuff, i do believe that it was all supposed to happen.
i have had some really interesting conversations with people over this, so i thought id post this and see what some of you think and believe................
im looking forward to a big debate 😄