Argh, help! I turn my back on this thread for a few hours...
Lady van Tramp> When discussing which gender has the highest pain threshold, I DO think it matters that women are biologically created to give birth, while there is no coding in neither men nor women for receiving a gun-shot wound in the stomach (or anywhere). See?
No, I’m not saying every man in the service is a pure-blooded gentleman. As far as the torture-scenes in Abu-Gharib(?), last I heard the torturers were following orders. I’m not so naive as to think soldiers haven’t committed all kinds of atrocities in the past – heck, propaganda ALWAYS villainies the enemy, right? (German troops reportedly ate Belgian babies in WWI, Iraqi soldiers took life-support from Kuwait babies, Jessica Lynch etc).
But that is THE ENEMY. Now, could soldiers come up with the idea of abusing women in their platoon? Probably, yes. If “yes” then there’s something wrong with military training. And will someone supply me with some statistics? I’m not saying anyone is lying, I merely want to know the extend of the matter.
And, please. Don’t lecture me on the intellectual capabilities of anyone around here. I read what people write, evaluate their responses and arguments and reply from there.
Link> “Yes Jessica Lynch, i know you watched the movie on Oxygen or Life or whatever pro-woman, anti-male network you spend your hate filled hours watching.”
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Who ARE you talking to??
All> Maybe the solution would be to have separate gender platoons (or whatever those groups are called)? Our culture and probably our instincts are somewhat wired towards men protecting women… (Any sociologist/biologist/expert out there to back or refute this??). I don’t believe women are mentally less capable of fighting or doing combat than men – but as has been stated, it should be individual.
Would I want to fight to protect DK if this tiny piece of land got invaded? Depends on by whom. And I’d still rather sit safely in a bunker or fly a fighter-jet than mill around in a trench.
Oh, and about the PMS thing. Yes, some women become more aggressive before their period, that should be GOOD in war, I’d think. Some women become irrational. I’ve seen men’s IQ go from 140 to 50 when a “hot chick” walked by…
But - we do all agree that women CAN and have fought in wars. And should be allowed to do so, if they meet the requirements.
For infantry that means some physical requirements that will - in general - be harder for women to meet than for men, right?
So is this why SOME men today are still sexist?
I agree with you on everything you said except the genetic engineering about giving birth again Omega. You aren't giving an example of why it enables you to have a higher threshold. You just say....we're built that way. END.
My example.
Take a woman and a man. Tie both of them to a stake in the ground like they were going to be shot at a firing range. The male and the female both take 1 bullet to the stomach. Then it's up to the individual how well they can handle the pain. The one that b!tches, moans, and groans of excruciating pain and can't remain conscious longest would be the one with the lower pain threshold....right?
It shouldn't matter where it's 2 girls. 2 guys. 3 girls and 1 guy. Which ever one can't take it anymore.....is the one with the lower pain threshold.....right?
If i break my wrist and merely wince in pain...but a female (or anyone at all) breaks their wrist and screams in pain uncontrollably what does THAT mean? are you saying that has nothing to do with pain threshold?
Link, the girl screaming thing has a lot to do with the way girls are brought up. Guys are trained by society to show as little reaction as possible to pain. Women are taught that it's alright to scream and cry and everything. Their emotional reaction has nothing to do with how much pain they are actually experiencing, just how they choose to deal with it.
And yes, women are biologically designed to handle pain better. I'm sorry if I sound like I'm traitorous to the male sex or something, but any biologist or geneticist will tell you that. It is the female's genetic role to give birth. They have to be able to take pain well. As Omega pointed out, there is nothing in our DNA that says anything about AK-47's, as painful as they may be, and I'm not claiming it's any less painful than giving birth.
Originally posted by The Omega
Argh, help! I turn my back on this thread for a few hours...
That right there? Hilarious........
Lady van Tramp> When discussing which gender has the highest pain threshold, I DO think it matters that women are biologically created to give birth, while there is no coding in neither men nor women for receiving a gun-shot wound in the stomach (or anywhere). See?No, I’m not saying every man in the service is a pure-blooded gentleman. As far as the torture-scenes in Abu-Gharib(?), last I heard the torturers were following orders. I’m not so naive as to think soldiers haven’t committed all kinds of atrocities in the past – heck, propaganda ALWAYS villainies the enemy, right? (German troops reportedly ate Belgian babies in WWI, Iraqi soldiers took life-support from Kuwait babies, Jessica Lynch etc).
But that is THE ENEMY. Now, could soldiers come up with the idea of abusing women in their platoon? Probably, yes. If “yes” then there’s something wrong with military training. And will someone supply me with some statistics? I’m not saying anyone is lying, I merely want to know the extend of the matter.And, please. Don’t lecture me on the intellectual capabilities of anyone around here. I read what people write, evaluate their responses and arguments and reply from there.
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OK, it's "von", sorry, but it's a little irksome. Notice me calling you The Amega? no2
And I'm not the one arguing with you about pain threshold. Move on.........
I don't have any statistics, but surely it's fair to say that it has probably happened, a lot more than once, that males have taken out their sexual frustrations on comrades. Male AND female.
I don't think I lectured you at any point. I merely asked if you have noticed the intelligence levels of the people you are debating with. You seem to get so irritated when someone disagrees with you especially if they make a damn good point. Which is when you get b!tchy.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Link, the girl screaming thing has a lot to do with the way girls are brought up. Guys are trained by society to show as little reaction as possible to pain. Women are taught that it's alright to scream and cry and everything. Their emotional reaction has nothing to do with how much pain they are actually experiencing, just how they choose to deal with it.And yes, women are biologically designed to handle pain better. I'm sorry if I sound like I'm traitorous to the male sex or something, but any biologist or geneticist will tell you that. It is the female's genetic role to give birth. They have to be able to take pain well. As Omega pointed out, there is nothing in our DNA that says anything about AK-47's, as painful as they may be, and I'm not claiming it's any less painful than giving birth.
Revan....in war. YOU GET SHOT! You don't go giving birth. Your ability to take a gun shot wound is muchhhhhh more important to this arguement than a woman's ability to give birth.
What is everyone considering "pain threshold"?
Is it their ability to endure pain? or the amount of pain a person feels?
Link> I usually trust Lil Bitchiness’ research. But yes, I do believe women are “build” with a higher pain threshold, because from what I hear – giving birth hurts like hell. So if it does, nature probably came up with women handling pain better. Maybe it’s simply better endurance.
”It shouldn't matter where it's 2 girls. 2 guys. 3 girls and 1 guy. Which ever one can't take it anymore.....is the one with the lower pain threshold.....right?”
Right. You’re not planning on making an experiment, right? 😉
”If i break my wrist and merely wince in pain...but a female (or anyone at all) breaks their wrist and screams in pain uncontrollably what does THAT mean?”
We are ALLOWED to yell, and scream and moan. And – unfortunately – some women will do so, especially if there’s a man around. I’m not out to betray my gender, but sometimes I do understand why some men pull their hair out at women (AND vice versa of course).
And, hey – Men may also make a show out of their pain if they think they’ll get some pity and care.
Lady VON Tramp> “OK, it's "von", sorry, but it's a little irksome. Notice me calling you The Amega?”
Why do some people go into petty bickering about a name-typo when they disagree with me? I’m sorry, but your name isn’t in my spell-checker (which I politely use, as English isn’t my first language).
“You seem to get so irritated when someone disagrees with you especially if they make a damn good point.”
No, that is when it becomes interesting. I would not debate if it irritated me. KMC is leisure for me, and “good points” should be accepted – by either party IN the debate.
As I’ve already said: I do not refute abuse in the military by men OF men and women. But if it happens to men and women alike, should this fact be used to keep women OUT of the services? Or to change something in the training of soldiers to prevent abuse of fellow soldiers?
I didn't say you gave birth in war... what I said is that women are designed to be able to handle pain better than men, because of the role they play in human reproduction... The reason the giving birth thing is relevant is because it proves that women in general (to some people at least) have a higher tolerence to pain. Like I have been saying for the past five pages.
I consider "pain threshold" the amount of pain a person actually feels... But that could be just me...
Originally posted by Darth Revan
I consider "pain threshold" the amount of pain a person actually feels... But that could be just me...
Well in THAT case...ignore everything i've said about pain thresholds.
If it was a persons ability to ENDURE pain....then THAT would be determined by each individual....like my arguement was meant to be directed at.
I am willing to believe that a woman is genetically built to feel less pain than a man...but i refuse to believe that women in general can endure more pain and punishment than men in general...i feel that is up to the particular person receiving the pain.
Originally posted by The Omega
Lady VON Tramp> “OK, it's "von", sorry, but it's a little irksome. Notice me calling you The Amega?”
Why do some people go into petty bickering about a name-typo when they disagree with me? I’m sorry, but your name isn’t in my spell-checker (which I politely use, as English isn’t my first language).
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Sorry, but you've done it a couple of times. I didn't mean to use it as a last resort, I'm not one for having nothing else to say. I just think that this subject has been totally wrung, y'know? And I did say that I think you are very articulate, I know English isn't your first language hun, I do apologise 😄
“You seem to get so irritated when someone disagrees with you especially if they make a damn good point.”
No, that is when it becomes interesting. I would not debate if it irritated me. KMC is leisure for me, and “good points” should be accepted – by either party IN the debate.
As I’ve already said: I do not refute abuse in the military by men OF men and women. But if it happens to men and women alike, should this fact be used to keep women OUT of the services? Or to change something in the training of soldiers to prevent abuse of fellow soldiers?
KMC, for me also, is leisure. I really enjoy a good debate. Which, I think, is why I'm no longer enjoying in this repetetive and frankly silly argument. It's becoming dragged out......
Lady VON Tramp> Are you sure you didn’t just go and change the Van to Von? 😉
Okay, I AM sorry, it slipped my attention in the process.
I’ve talked about pain threshold in the same sense that Darth has. That is, the amount of pain someone actually feels. Not where you grind your teeth and endure it.
EDIT> Does that mean we've been arguing for NOTHING? Damn...
Originally posted by Lady von Tramp
*cough*The pain threshold is the amount of pain a person can endure. Threshold literally means boundary, or limit ✅
I win!
Omega, Revan, Bitchiness....thanks for playing. Next show's at 9 PM...i'll be here all night.
I knew my vocabulary wasn't that horrible. But instead of being anymore of an ass...please refer to my last post where i state that the terminology the 3 of you fought me over would be something that I would agree to. If THAT is what you guys thought threshold meant.
1. pain threshold -- the lowest intensity of stimulation at which pain is experienced; "some people have much higher pain thresholds than do other people"
http://www.yourdictionary.net/pain_threshold.html
So, no! You loose! 😄