Err, Storm, but the Amazon legend as told by the Greeks was fabricated, and archaeologicial evidence of their activites is near non-existant. People who doubt their existence have good cause to, and you certainly cannot conclusively prove it.
Frankly, examples in ancient history of women fighting are rather irrelevant. Like I said before, no-one thinks women cannot fight; only a fool would think that. But that does not mean that the front line of a modern army is automatically a suitable place for them- there are backed reasons to think it may not be. It is certainly not clear cut, and no-one with any sense uses the basic argument "Women should not be there because they cannot fight."- that's just really not the issue. It's certainly not the reason they are not there.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Ok, we won't go there with A MOVIE. I forgot, military men are completely well mannered gentlemen. Military men who would stack up 13 Iraqi prisoners naked to take pictures are clearly incapable of such a heinous act as rape. Or to further back my obviously ridiculous claim...how about the Female GI who was rescued from a hospital in Iraq. She's got a book out, maybe you should read it and tell me if she's lying. I hear she broke her leg, arm, and back. She was beaten and abused...and just for good measure....the enemy RAPED her several times.
This is off topic... But the Jessica Lynch thing was a fabrication. She was not abused, in fact she was rescued by the people who brought her to the hospital. I saw her interviewed on TV, and she says herself that she wasn't raped or beaten or anything. She was treated very well, perhaps better than she would have been at a US military hospital. There was a nurse there who sang her to sleep at night. The whole thing was put together to make the enemy seem like, well, more of an enemy.
She says she doesn't recall being raped or abused. She also claimed not to remember a thing about the incident due to the extreme pain and lack of adequet medical care at the time.
A...A hopsital worker, ran to American service men and told them about an injured soldier. He was the reason she got rescued...he didn't not actually do the rescuing.
Her book claims she was raped.
Her interview claims she was not.
Believe what you want to believe....
so much for me leaving this thread. 🙁 (cookie was good though)
Link, that's not what I was saying... I was saying that you can't use Jessica Lynch as an example of women in the military being sexually abused because nobody will ever know what really happened. Anyhoo... Just because women can be sexually abused doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to join the military and fight on the front lines, if they have the physical capacity of the average male soldier. They are fully aware that they can be sexually abused, and it should be their decision to take that risk if they want to. Oh and also... Men, too, can be raped 😉 😛
Originally posted by WindDancer
I'm not sure about the amazonic women. 😕I think those were only stories told by the poets like Sappho to inspired women in those days. Many of the poets were very influenced by Sappho's work so it was very likely that they wrote those stories as tributes to her.
Female gladiators in Rome were not as common as the male gladiators. So there is little known about them (I'm not saying they didn't exist, but there isn't enough information about them)
Everyone, sorry to go off the subject.
Erm..first of all, what Amazons are you thinking about I dont know. Please do explain to me what was Boudicca who were jinga mbande, hydna etc 🙄 if they warned the amzons. Amazons is another word for a group of women who were worrirors or similar. Do read up on that.
Female gladiators were very common in Rome. Ther biggest trade mark as that their left brest was always uncovered when in battle, as for information they are evidently enough, if we know such detail about their clothing....more inormation were in the graves where female and male gladiators were burried.
The rest, im sorry again, for going off subject, just ignore me post..😛
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Link, that's not what I was saying... I was saying that you can't use Jessica Lynch as an example of women in the military being sexually abused because nobody will ever know what really happened. Anyhoo... Just because women can be sexually abused doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to join the military and fight on the front lines, if they have the physical capacity of the average male soldier. They are fully aware that they can be sexually abused, and it should be their decision to take that risk if they want to. Oh and also... Men, too, can be raped 😉 😛
her medical records show that she had torn and damaged anal tissue..."according to reports." But she also lost control of her bowls...so maybe that's just diarrhea. She's not a good "specific example" but she is an example of what COULD happen.
Yes...and there is a long known history of men being raped by their captors. Much much longer than that of women. The enemy, generally throughout history, has been known to kill the men and "do with the women and children what you want." Sure a man could get it in the butt, but a bullet's a lot easier.
Society influences men's decisions too much with their ideals of "men protecting women." If a woman was on the front line with me and she got shot, instinctually i would drop what I'm doing and come to her aid, instead of fulfilling my responsibility to the rest of the unit. Same COULD be said for many, many soldiers. It would take some extra days being brainwashed at bootcamp in order to see a female soldier as "one of the guys."
The "men protecting women" thing is definitely an issue; but I think one that could be resolved if it became a relatively common thing for women to be entrenched and everything. Maybe it's just me, but if I was in the army fighting alongside female soldiers, I would see them as more of my equals if they had to pass the same physical training/tests I did.