Originally posted by finti
We have a mandatory military service here in Norway, dont need women in there though. From experiense in the military I can say they aint suited to be there
Technically during WWII women did alot for the military even if not on the front lines. Today they can contribute just as much if not more than men.
Just as with Norway, Denmark has the draft for the military. I suppose the idea is, that if you live in a country, you must be able to defend it.
But that’s about where the logic runs out. DK, too, has soldiers in Iraq, and they sure as hell didn’t ask for it. There is no defending Denmark in invading/liberating a country thousands of kilometres away.
I’m all for equality between the genders, but if the high-generals think women can’t be used in the military – FINE with me 😄
Agent Elrond> But Afghanistan and Iraq haven’t really fallen, have they? More foreign soldiers have been killed in Iraq after the war supposedly ended, than before. The point is, that today it’s not enough to have a huge army with lots of tech. Intelligence is more important than ever before, because you cannot fight guerrillas by force alone.
Silver/Spadesmamma> Women will never be as physically strong as men. Good for us, when it comes to the military service. But since female endurance is better than male, put us in fighter-jets and stuff (IF we HAVE to run around and follow orders by people hidden far away in bunkers).
If – today – with high-tech and new robotics, military service still comes down to how much weight you can lift – what happened to all the talk about the new hi-tech army??
All> I heard somewhere that in the US it’s often poor people who sign up for the army, because it is the only way to get an education of some kind. Is that really true?!?!?
Originally posted by silver_tears
Like said, the military is not all about hand-to-hand combat.
Woman can still do alot.And on the whole bush thing, I think he knows he won't be re-elected, may as well go out with a bang 😛 Ruin the country some more 😊
Nothing quite like being told how to run the United States than by a 16 year old Canadian.
Bush is a whole 7 points behind that less than decent excuse for a replacement, John Kerry. People from other countries should really spend less time b!tching about the American president. he's doing a fine job.
Sure, bring your case about Iraq's needless war, and other things he's done...."wrong." No other president had direct terrorist attacks on Washinton or New York. He rallied his nation, instead of letting it fall to pieces. And he went in and made changes.
Sure non-Americans can say "but more people are dying now than when we were at war." And for good reason. They don't know who the damn enemy is. They bring a poor homeless kid some food, while his dad's off shooting Americans. I've talked to a friend who just got back from Iraq. one of his squad mates was shot and killed because as he approached a group of Iraqi's waving white flags....he got shot. That's cowardice at it's highest degree. Hippy right wingers b!tch and moan about innocent civilian casualties....well who the hell is an innocent civilian???
Bush got rid of Sadam, he got rid of the Taliban, and he's got the mighty Bin Laden hiding in a hole in the ground. Dunno what that is to you, but that sounds like some change to me....and I feel safer in my bed at night.
9/11 wasn't a wake up call, it was a test to see if we were on our toes. We failed miserably, but so would most European countries if terrorists had attacked them before the US. But almost none of you have ever thought of that possibility huh?
As for the draft. I don't see how it could even be allowed by the Government. It stands against everything that our country stands for. I think the only time the government should be allowed to form a draft is if the United States is upon attack at home. Everyone shouldn't be required to go across seas to fight a war, but they should be required to defend their homes.
well. There IS a reason why adults run the country. But i'm sure any teenager could run the US. It's gotta be just as easy as riding a bike. 🙄
I still don't see how your school forcing you to study other governments makes you an authority on the issue. American students are tought about their government and economy daily....and they still don't understand it completely. I guess i must have the Candian educational system underestimated if all of their 16 year olds are capable of running a country with 7x the population of their own.
Originally posted by The Omega
All> I heard somewhere that in the US it’s often poor people who sign up for the army, because it is the only way to get an education of some kind. Is that really true?!?!?
✅ I think the deal is that if you join the military, the gov't will pay for your education.
Link... How can you possibly say that Bush has been doing "a fine job"? He's destroyed our economy, public education, our military (yes Bush destroyed our military... The only reason Bush was able to get as far as he did in Iraq and Afghanistan was because of what Clinton already did for the military), medicare, unemployment has skyrocketed, he's invaded two countries, all of the past administration's work in Israel has been completely undone, and Al-Qaeda still exists. There were no WMD's in Iraq, and Saddam HATED Al-Qaeda. Sure, he was evil, and yes, it is a good thing that he is no longer in power... But there are plenty of other, almost equally evil dictators in the world who we actually support, rather than doing what we did in Iraq. Even if you ignore the war, you can't possibly ignore what he has done here. The war on terrorism is a f*cking joke. In the words of Mike Meyers, you can't win a war against a noun. We're not going to wake up one day to find that our glorious army has actually killed ALL the terrorists in the world. It's simply impossible. That's like trying to round up all the alchoholics, or drug addicts, or prostitutes. And to mention the war again... I feel sorry for the poor guys who have to be over there in that mess. And for those Iraqis that are truly innocent. The thing is, we didn't have to invade it in the first place. The only real good thing we've done is overturned Saddam, who as it turns out wasn't even a danger to us. Finally, Bush promised during his campaign that he wasn't going to go off "nation building". Oops.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
The days in which the draft is useful for the kind of uses the US makes of its military are over- they ended quite some while ago. A citizen army no longer cuts it- the military 'teeth' have diminished whilst the 'tail' gorws longer.Re-introducing the draft in the States would be more of a social measure, I think- a statement by the rulers of the way they want things done.
If this is seriously being considered, this is where Bush's relatively moderate Republicanism shows signs of veering back to the right. It's not on, not any more. But is it really being seriously considered?
No, the draft isn't being seriously considered. It's political suicide to do so. Bush can't afford to let it pass.
Remember, the are hundred of ideas in Congress. Only, say, 10% are ever seriously considered. The draft isn't.
Agent Elrond> But Afghanistan and Iraq haven’t really fallen, have they? More foreign soldiers have been killed in Iraq after the war supposedly ended, than before. The point is, that today it’s not enough to have a huge army with lots of tech. Intelligence is more important than ever before, because you cannot fight guerrillas by force alone.
Their military fell within weeks. That's what I meant. Iraq is hell on Earth. I have no idea what'll happen on June 30. They're blowing up their own people now. Different topic though. Our intelligence was good up to 89, 91, when the Soviet Union broke up. We had human intelligence during the cold war. Now, it's all satallites and echolon (very bads spelling). Had we had spies in Iraq, it could have been different.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
✅ I think the deal is that if you join the military, the gov't will pay for your education.Link... How can you possibly say that Bush has been doing "a fine job"? He's destroyed our economy, public education, our military (yes Bush destroyed our military... The only reason Bush was able to get as far as he did in Iraq and Afghanistan was because of what Clinton already did for the military), medicare, unemployment has skyrocketed, he's invaded two countries, all of the past administration's work in Israel has been completely undone, and Al-Qaeda still exists. There were no WMD's in Iraq, and Saddam HATED Al-Qaeda. Sure, he was evil, and yes, it is a good thing that he is no longer in power... But there are plenty of other, almost equally evil dictators in the world who we actually support, rather than doing what we did in Iraq. Even if you ignore the war, you can't possibly ignore what he has done here. The war on terrorism is a f*cking joke. In the words of Mike Meyers, you can't win a war against a noun. We're not going to wake up one day to find that our glorious army has actually killed ALL the terrorists in the world. It's simply impossible. That's like trying to round up all the alchoholics, or drug addicts, or prostitutes. And to mention the war again... I feel sorry for the poor guys who have to be over there in that mess. And for those Iraqis that are truly innocent. The thing is, we didn't have to invade it in the first place. The only real good thing we've done is overturned Saddam, who as it turns out wasn't even a danger to us. Finally, Bush promised during his campaign that he wasn't going to go off "nation building". Oops.
Revan. The war on terror will always exsist. As long as there are maniacs (born everyday) willing to do something to lash out against others. Just like the war on drugs. But using your arguement, it sounds like we should stop trying to catch drug dealers and just let them be. Someone's got to police terrorists otherwise they would run rampid. Sure they still exsists, but not nearly in the same numbers, and not nearly with as much power.
You can't compare Bush to Clinton, Clinton never got attacked by terrorists. He had an easy time in the office.
Everything changes in times of crisis. Who's to say our economy wouldn't be flurishing and our medicare coverage wouldn't be more than adequate if not for 9/11. Everything in this nation changed because of that, and if you honestly feel that a less than 5 years after the attacks, our whole nation is back to it's optimum...then i'm sorry you feel that way.
Bush is dealing with something no president has ever had to handle....and he's doing a pretty good job. Sure John Kerry can use hind sight to point out mistakes by Bush, but if he was in Bush's seat at the time of the attacks....who's to say he would have done any better.
That's like blaming the stock market crash on the President....it's not fair.
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