Pistios or L.A.

Originally posted by Myth
HE'S ALIVE! SHEED IS ALIVE! How about that. The Lakers still haven't had anybody but Shaq or Kobe in double-figures, have they? That is impressive. I'm not sure if I'd rather see Detroit close it out and becoming the first to sweep the 3 middle games and go 4-1, or watch them take it from LA in LA. I'm so happy.

detriot baby detriot!!...they need to close it out in detriot coz coz

A. the sooner the better
B. i'm from the detriot area
C. everyone thought i was crazy for saying detriot could win 3 in the D and i want to look like a genius 🙂

Jordan was a rookie, he had an excuse. when Kobe was a rookie he had an excuse too, but he's been in the league 8 years now, its time for Kobe to step up and PROOVE that he is Jordan's protege.

damn it i want to brag about detroit not talk jordan vs kobe( jordan wasnt a rookie either it took him like 4 years to figure out how to beat detriot)....but here it is.....ever since kobe was a rookie he had shaq ...jordan had noone.....detroit had the toughest defense in the league when and jordan couldnt score on them but jordan knew he was jordan and figured he gave his team a better chance of winning while shooting the ball while doulbe teamin than kickin it out to someone esle so jordan got to eventully learn how to deal with a smothering defense and won 6 rings

kobe has always had shaq but never faced a smother tough defense he plays in the west noone plays defense there...but since kobe always had shaq people would double shaq and not kobe so kobe never really leared to trust other players to make shots...like jordan..kobe knows he's kobe and he thinks him shooting the ball is the best chance to win

Hey, don't let me stop you from bragging about Detroit's win(shit, im happy as fvck too) Detroit baby Detroit!

Jordan was NOT alone. Scottie Pippen was always there(he, along with Jordan, is one of the 50 greatest players of all time)

also, the Seattle Sonics had a great defensive team, and Jordan completely took over that Finals series.('92 i think)

Great Game!!

I said in a earlier post that Shaq's teammates are dumb and this game reinstated my opinion. Shaq plane and simple was dominant and was the only option that could score or get teammates open shots. Whenever Detroit went on a run it was usually when Shaq wasn't getting the ball and when he got the ball the score was usually even. Now Detroit has a nasty defense that makes players do things that they don't want to do and make dumb decisions, but it's inexcusable to not get it to Shaq every time when he was having his best game and nobody else could do anything.

The only way the Lakers can get back in the series is by Kobe, because I think Shaq won't be as fresh with only one day off, but Detroit has defended Kobe better than any team ever so it looks like Detroit will win in 5.

I'm happy for Detroit, because I always root for working class towns that have fans that root for their teams 24/7. I'm also happy for guys like Big Ben and Sheed who I have always felt was misunderstood because everyone says he is a idiot but I always felt he just plays with a lot of passion maybe a bit too much, but I would much rather have a guy who plays with passion than a guy who doesn't and plays scared like Peja.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Hey, don't let me stop you from bragging about Detroit's win(shit, im happy as fvck too) Detroit baby Detroit!

Jordan was NOT alone. Scottie Pippen was always there(he, along with Jordan, is one of the 50 greatest players of all time)

also, the Seattle Sonics had a great defensive team, and Jordan completely took over that Finals series.('92 i think)

i hope your not comparing scottie pippen to shaq?....jordan was alone...pippen didnt do any better against detriot defense than jordan

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
Great Game!!

I'm happy for Detroit, because I always root for working class towns that have fans that root for their teams 24/7. I'm also happy for guys like Big Ben and Sheed who I have always felt was misunderstood because everyone says he is a idiot but I always felt he just plays with a lot of passion maybe a bit too much, but I would much rather have a guy who plays with passion than a guy who doesn't and plays scared like Peja.

i coudnt agree more...i pretty much always liked sheed but ever since he's been a piston i've been lovin him....for someone who doesnt like stephen a smith you sound just like him

posted by wuTa
"for someone who doesnt like stephen a smith you sound just like him"

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!
❌ fear blowup

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
also, the Seattle Sonics had a great defensive team, and Jordan completely took over that Finals series.('92 i think)

i didnt notice this part last time i posted......the 92 sonic defense was not nealy as good as detriot defense but jordan dominated that series coz he learned what to do with the detriot teams he played against...kobe never played against a team with a defense like detriots...so he's not playing like kobe just like when jordan 1st ran into the bad boys he wasnt playing like jordan

Originally posted by wuTa
i hope your not comparing scottie pippen to shaq?....jordan was alone...pippen didnt do any better against detriot defense than jordan

no, Pippen wasn't as dominant as Shaq, but he is still a great player that Jordan could, and did, depend on at times.

kobe never played against a team with a defense like detriots...so he's not playing like kobe just like when jordan 1st ran into the bad boys he wasnt playing like jordan

Kobe and Jordan both played against the respective Detroit teams of their era in the regualr season, so yea, they had seen them before. Detroit was just known for awesome f*cking defense.

What Jordan had was a determination i still haven't seen from Kobe, even after 8 years in the league.

Jordan ALWAYS played like Jordan. back in 1990, he did not have the entire supporting cast he did in '91 and later on(Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, Tony Kukoc, etc. or even Phil Jackson) but believe it or not, Jordan still averaged like 25 points a game against that Detroit team. It's just that the rest of the team was not doing its job(sort of like Shaq getting his points in this series, and the rest of the Lakers basically sitting around and watching)

if your abou tthe bad boys yea there were known for there defense but they also averaged 100 point per game so it just wasnt there defense....beleive it or not i believe kobe is is averaging around 25 points in this series and no kobe and jordan didnt see the same detriot defense as the regular season

anybody whos from detriot knosw about a rule the pistons used in the post season against chicago which were the "jordan rules" the rule was to contest jordan... double team, deny him the ball, basically make him give up the ball and let his teammates beat you..jordan had just as many good role players in the early 90s as he did in the late 90s (paxson,grant, cartwright)

kobe never saw a defense like this in the regular eason coz detriot didnt have sheed at the time ( i dont think)...and even if they did detriot wasntt denying him the ball, double teaming him or anything like that..they were doin all that to shaq which let kobe play his game

3-1!!! hell yea!

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I know this isnt the thread for this, but i didn't really know where else to put this, i just want to get this out.

Alot of people are comparing Kobe's game to Jordan's, someone even said he was better. Kobe is the next Jordan, blah blah blah... While I'll admit they are similar, Kobe is NOT in Jordan's league. Proof of this comes in this very series. Yes, Kobe has had 9 40-point games in a row, yes Kobe plays gracefully, yes he makes amazing shots, BUT Jordan has never EVER done what Kobe is doing now, and that is folding under pressure(yes, he had 2 big 3s, but 4-17 shooting or whatever is incredibly awful). This is what seperates Jordan and Kobe. Of course Jordan would have a slump in a game, but Phil would sit him down for 4-5 minutes and then Jordan would finish the game strong, with 25 points, at the very least.

I remember Bulls vs Portland in the Finals('93 or something) and the Bulls were down double digits, Jordan was having a horrible game, just like Kobe is, Phil sat him down for a good chunk of a quarter, and the Bulls chipped away at the lead a little bit(i think they got it from 15 to 10). Jordan came back and within minutes, Jordan had put them in the lead.

Not to mention that in another game, Jordan played with a stomach virus and still scored 35. That is greatness.

If Kobe thrived under pressure, if he would just put the team on his back and lead them to a victory, THEN you can say he's the next Jordan, until then, he is just another well rounded player.

Kobe Bryant has hit game winning shot after game winning shot. The last game of the regular season Kobe hit not 1, but 2 astonishing shots in order to send them into overtime and win. He's the most clutch player in the NBA and his offensive game is better than Jordan's overall.

You have to realize that Kobe has Shaq on his team. Although Scottie Pippen was a good player....he's no Shaq. Shaq is the focal point of the Lakers offense. But I've seen amazing plays by Kobe at the age of 26 that we never saw from Jordan.

Jordan never had a left hand like Kobe does. Jordan couldn't hit three pointers like Bryant does. Similar defensive skills, expcept Jordan played good defense all the time, Kobe only plays good defense when he's pissed off or when he's "in a groove."

Obviously Bryant isn't at Jordan's level yet, but Jordan did nothing of significance until he was 28 years old and had a couple of years in the league. Bryant is only 26 years old....and a very very bright future.

Will he be the next Jordan? No...and he shouldn't want to be. If he becomes the next Jordan then he is cutting himself short. Why would you want to be Jordan #2 when you can be Bryant #1?

Same will hold true for Lebron James. He's young...yes, but he'll be up there too. He won't want to be Jordan #3 or #2...he'll want to be Lebron #1. Why follow in someone's footsteps when you can create your own?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Jordan never had a left hand like Kobe does. Jordan couldn't hit three pointers like Bryant does.

Jordan still holds the record for most 3s in a finals game(i think Pippen holds the record for most 3s in an entire finals series), against Portland

Obviously Bryant isn't at Jordan's level yet, but Jordan did nothing of significance until he was 28 years old and had a couple of years in the league. Bryant is only 26 years old....and a very very bright future.

Will he be the next Jordan? No...and he shouldn't want to be. If he becomes the next Jordan then he is cutting himself short. Why would you want to be Jordan #2 when you can be Bryant #1?

Same will hold true for Lebron James. He's young...yes, but he'll be up there too. He won't want to be Jordan #3 or #2...he'll want to be Lebron #1. Why follow in someone's footsteps when you can create your own?

I agree, that's what I always thought, be your own person basically, but not everyone thinks the same way. the public and the media are always comparing somebody to someone, not really letting them be themselves(remember 'Rip - Miller' in the Indiana/Detroit series? that got annoying fast.)

Kobe also doesn't have the determination that Jordan did. it seems like he doesnt care most of the time.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Jordan still holds the record for most 3s in a finals game(i think Pippen holds the record for most 3s in an entire finals series), against Portland

I agree, that's what I always thought, be your own person basically, but not everyone thinks the same way. the public and the media are always comparing somebody to someone, not really letting them be themselves(remember 'Rip - Miller' in the Indiana/Detroit series? that got annoying fast.)

Kobe also doesn't have the determination that Jordan did. it seems like he doesnt care most of the time.

i believe your comment of jodan's none three pointer ability was shut down i was about to say something but its been said, as for Kobe being 26, it really doesnt matter, the amount of seasons hes been in is the real stat that counts, and lately ive only seen one game where he really came throught in the clutch, Now im hearing all this talk of Kobe Bryant making excuses on detroit's defence, that he could get past it, well Micheal Jordan faced the Pistons who even back then had better defence than the current pistons, and when they lost a game you never heard him complain, you never heard him say "oh the defence got the best of me" even the person who covers kobe is not a big defensive player, jordan never complained aboud Dumars because he was good enough to beat the defence, so please lets just stop compairing kobe and jordan because there really is no comparison, and quite frankly kobe's prime is somewhat passing, i say 2 or 3 more seasons and his prime is out, when kobe hits his decline years did he lead the nba in scoring 10 times? and statistics show jordan is theall time leader in three points made out of attemps. Please there will never be another jordan he can never be compaired because Kobe just doesnt have something that jordan had, Jordan really loved the game he never made excuses, and on a side comment towards the lakers their bench in the most cold and unenthusiastic bench i've ever seen, they dont even cheer their teammated on, in a need for a comeback

i was responding to linkala... not you arach..

oh please. Kobe is 26 years old and falling out of his prime???????

The freaking guy dislocated his shoulder earlier in the year and he's still the best guard in the league. Throw your cases out there about T-Mac or anyone else. Kobe is still better.

Jordan hits three pointers but not pull up 3's like Kobe Bryant. I'd most certainly hope by the end of his career he would have more records than Kobe who's less than 1/2 through his career.

And how are you an authority on the Bad Boy Pistons? Who's to say that their defense is any better than this years Pistons? Both Lakers teams that they played were seriously hindered by injuries. And this years Pistons team set all sorts of defensive records. Joe Dumars isn't exactly a defender like Teshaun Prince. Dumars is like 6'2 with short arms, not 6'8 with teradactyl limbs. Teams as a whole are better in 2004 than in 1988-89 too.

Also, your point about Jordan earning 10 scoring titles should be held void because
1. Kobe hasn't even played 10 years yet.
2. Jordan never had Shaq to keep happy.

Say what you will Shaq is still the most dominant player in the NBA, and he requires the ball. Jordan was the go to guy for his team, Kobe and Shaq share that duty.

pistons are gonna win no dought. im from detroit. pistons are the best!!!!

yes...Jordan never had Shaq.

Jordan never had another great player around him--argue what you will about Scottie, he wasn't grea; just look at the year that Jordan took off for baseball, look at Scottie's numbers.

Teams as a whole are actually worse now than ever before--there are just too many teams, the talent is spread too thin, and young players are just not good enough to play in the NBA, they lack fundamentals, etc.

Jordan is unquestionably a better player than Kobe. He never disappeared in a playoff game like Kobe has for two games now (even with his numbers in G4, was he ever really a factor?). And Jordan was a better defender.

Advantage: Jordan

hop aboard. The band wagon's filling up. 😄