Originally posted by Q99
Well at the end of Ideon, the universe got destroyed, so that's something.Prior to that it was mostly planet-busting level.
Woah, he was universe busting level? O_O
Yeah, he deserves to be here if that's the case.
TTGL is probably the most powerful mecha though, considering at the end of the series he was tanking what the scientist of show described as a "big bang"
That show definitely one upped DBZ in ridiculous power upgrades.. Considering Spiral energy is dependent on the amount of humans, and how much will to live they possess, Gurren Lagann's top power level is theoretically unlimited... Given enough time to populate the universe, and one or two "special" beings to inspire everybody, I could see them duking it out with Lucifer/LT class cosmics...
Originally posted by Hellspawn28
Zinv from Daul, and Demonbane from Demonbane are a lot stronger then the TTGL.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=566469
Never heard of Demonbane, but it sounds incredible.
How's the gameplay compared to, say, Armored Core or Zone of the Enders?
Originally posted by Astner
Well, the pocket universes in Washu's bottle were smaller still.
Not really, as they were stated to be actual universes, not pocket universes. Meaning they were full sized but contained or shrunk somehow.
That's what exposition is for.If it's not backed up by the events, it's hyperbole. BTW is that Rom the Spaceknight in that scan you posted? I've been meaning to read his series because I heard it has some classic Galactus moments in it.
Once again, exposition.
Once again, hyperbole.
Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Yes it does, it implies that such capabilities were not uncommon.
Concession accepted.
Not a concession, besides, the very presence of Light Hawk Wings indicates that there must be a Chousin or Kami Tenchi to provide them, in addition Zinv looked exactly the same as the mecha discovered by Seina Yamada in Tenchi Muyo GXP, which was actually a 1st generation Jurai tree, so how could Zinv have gotten a tree if there was no Tsunami and it wasn't connected to the TM! Multiverse?
Then what's your point? As a child, Franklin Richards created a number of universes--with planets and sentient life even--and he's far beneath the level of Cube Beings.
Wrong, he is on Cube Being level. He is far beneath the level of the Celestials. My point is that the TM! multiverse is not as limited as you are implying.
You use this argument without being able to prove that GXP in fact is canonically connected to Ryo-Ohki. Ironic.
You're kidding, right? GXP directly references events from Ryo-Ohki. In fact it's stated to take place after the third OVA series.
Nothing is said about their size. As for the complexity, when you're able to prove just how much more complex they are, I'll return to that.
So complex that a being from one cannot even conceive of the existence of a being from the next, Flatland style.
No, current physics doesn't exceed Quantum Field Theory which alone can only be correctly described mathematically. While there have been a number of attempts to visualize the standard model (or beyond) it has never been on a scientific basis. What you speak of is a variation of how to visualize String Theory--an incomplete theory with a number of gaps--which, once again, isn't derived mathematically.
So then how can you imagine perceiving a world with 4 spacial dimensions? It's impossible to conceive of what such a thing would be like.
You've yet to prove that any of the spin-off series are anything other than the reuse of a number of characters.
Hello? They are all connected as they are part of the Kajishima continuity.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10393
What part of "half - brother of Tenchi Masaki" is hard to understand?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not really, as they were stated to be actual universes, not pocket universes. Meaning they were full sized but contained or shrunk somehow.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If it's not backed up by the events, it's hyperbole.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
BTW is that Rom the Spaceknight in that scan you posted?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Once again, hyperbole.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes it does, it implies that such capabilities were not uncommon.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not a concession.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
besides, the very presence of Light Hawk Wings indicates that there must be a Chousin or Kami Tenchi to provide them
"14. About the secret of Ko-oh-yoku (Wings of hawk of light?).
Answer:
It is a manifestation of God's aura.
Ko-oh-yoku is a manifestation of God's aura and not a weapon. Although apart
from Tsunami, one Tree can produce only three Ko-oh-yoku, they are enough to
protect the entire ship. Ko-oh-yoku does not shut the incoming energy out
but
converts it to harmless one (one power exists that could pierce them but it
requires huge amount of energy and a very big system).
Incidentally, to increase the number of Ko-oh-yoku by one, twice as much
energy is needed. (ie, Tsunami uses 2^10/2^3 = 2^7 = 128 times as much as energy.)"
The 101 Secrets of Tenchi, full translation
The fact that the essence of the Tenchi Kane no Kami is finite, makes clear enough case I'd say.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
in addition Zinv looked exactly the same as the mecha discovered by Seina Yamada in Tenchi Muyo GXP which was actually a 1st generation Jurai tree, so how could Zinv have gotten a tree if there was no Tsunami and it wasn't connected to the TM! Multiverse?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Wrong, he is on Cube Being level.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
My point is that the TM! multiverse is not as limited as you are implying.
Since the overpowering of a finite energy source can destroy their fragile universes.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You're kidding, right? GXP directly references events from Ryo-Ohki. In fact it's stated to take place after the third OVA series.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
So complex that a being from one cannot even conceive of the existence of a being from the next, Flatland style.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
So then how can you imagine perceiving a world with 4 spacial dimensions? It's impossible to conceive of what such a thing would be like.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Hello? They are all connected as they are part of the Kajishima continuity.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10393What part of "half - brother of Tenchi Masaki" is hard to understand?
Originally posted by Astner
And you've reached the conclusion of that it's what's--in sci-fi terminology--is referred to as a pocket universe.
What?
Argument from ignorance fallacy.
Not really. Unless you have more to support it than just that scan.
Once again, argument from ignorance fallacy.
Wrong.
No, it implies that a goddess in a mortal frame can derive such technology.
Washu didn't even know she was a goddess at that point. She had sealed her memories.
You clearly confirmed that you were unable to provide the evidence required to hold that claim.
I said I didn't have that one specific piece of evidence at that time.
Z clearly confirmed that the Chousin were unable to create Light-Hawk Wings, which is ironic since Light-Hawk Wings are limited sources of energy.
What the hell are you talking about? The LHWs on the Jurai ships are derived from the trees which are the offspring of Tsunami. This is basic information about the series.
*snip*The fact that the essence of the Tenchi Kane no Kami is finite, makes clear enough case I'd say.
What are you talking about? That quote doesn't mean that if you have enough power, you can break them, it means that one specific type of power (Chousein energy) can break them, but you need a system to channel it, in fact it was a reference to another event in the Washu novel, where a Juraian ship, the Sheaplis, had its sub-LHW (weaker version) nullified by an unknown power that was very similar to a LHW. Furthermore, are you saying that an infinite being is incapable of making finite manifestations of itself?
Nothing suggest that they must be one and the same. It can be a complete carbon-copy of the original, it doesn't necessary mean it's canon.
Except the power of the LHWs generated by a tree or seed can only exist from Tsunami.
Where did you get this from? He has the potential of a Cube Being, not the power.
No, he has the potential of a Celestial. Many of his feats are on Cube Being level. You're confusing Cube Beings and Celestials.
It is. It has 5 (questionable) infinite beings.Since the overpowering of a finite energy source can destroy their fragile universes.
Wrong, that is not what that quote says at all. You're misinterpreting it the same way Phenomenol did. The universes are not fragile at all, in fact that is the point as manifestation of more than 10 LHWs on one being in the third dimension will destroy it (but apparently not the 4th or higher, as they are more expansive).
Why do you persist in throwing logical fallacies at me? Unless you can't respond properly then concede. You might as well throw the argument "Dragonball GT is canon because there are references to Dragonball Z".
Except there are contradictions that make it non-canon, it was not made by the original creator like GXP was, and there is no confirmation of its canon status like there is for GXP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenchi_Muyo!#Tenchi_Muyo.21_OVA_series.2C_Kajishima_canon
The canon accepted by series creator Kajishima are the three Ryo-Ohki OVAs, the Tenchi Muyo! GXP: Galaxy Police Transporter series and associated novels, and the novels Shin Tenchi Muyo! Jurai, Shin Tenchi Muyo! Yosho, and Shin Tenchi Muyo! Washu. There are also a number of dōjinshi by and interviews with Kajishima, as well as a companion book, 101 Questions and Answers of Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Oh-Ki.
Speculative exaggeration. The more complex universes could as well be less fragile to finite power sources.
Um, no, it's directly stated. That's why the Chousein could not conceive of Kami Tenchi until he revealed himself to them, as he was from a higher dimension than them. And where are you getting this "fragile to finite power sources" shit? Tokimi could have destroyed the universe to break Z's 2 LHWs (less powerful than his full 5), where is it shown that her power would be finite then? Hell, you could dump a finite amount of energy into the real universe, but still enough to create a massive black hole and consume the whole thing.
No it isn't. It isn't even impossible to conceive how things would behave in a set of n dimensions, that's what basic linear algebra is for. Fun fact, the docent holding that class when I took it researched some property of infinite dimensional space.
I don't mean mathematical abstractions, I mean actually envisioning it in your head, as in what it would be like to move and act within it.
It's not that I don't understand it. It's just that you keep on making the same mistake. There's nothing suggesting that it's canon.
You are obviously just trolling now.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
What?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not really. Unless you have more to support it than just that scan.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Wrong.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Washu didn't even know she was a goddess at that point. She had sealed her memories.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I said I didn't have that one specific piece of evidence at that time.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
What the hell are you talking about? The LHWs on the Jurai ships are derived from the trees which are the offspring of Tsunami. This is basic information about the series.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
What are you talking about? That quote doesn't mean that if you have enough power, you can break them, it means that one specific type of power (Chousein energy) can break them, but you need a system to channel it, in fact it was a reference to another event in the Washu novel, where a Juraian ship, the Sheaplis, had its sub-LHW (weaker version) nullified by an unknown power that was very similar to a LHW. Furthermore, are you saying that an infinite being is incapable of making finite manifestations of itself?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except the power of the LHWs generated by a tree or seed can only exist from Tsunami.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, he has the potential of a Celestial. Many of his feats are on Cube Being level. You're confusing Cube Beings and Celestials.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The universes are not fragile at all, in fact that is the point as manifestation of more than 10 LHWs on one being in the third dimension will destroy it (but apparently not the 4th or higher, as they are more expansive).
The Light-Hawk Wings are limited sources of power, and overpowering two of them in the "third dimension" would destroy it. Hence the "third dimension" is fragile.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except there are contradictions that make it non-canon
Originally posted by Endless Mike
it was not made by the original creator like GXP was
Originally posted by Endless Mike
and there is no confirmation of its canon status like there is for GXP.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenchi_Muyo!#Tenchi_Muyo.21_OVA_series.2C_Kajishima_canon
Firstly, there are no sources in this article and it isn't protected. So I could as well go in and make some alterations to it, examining it's history you'll also see that there has been recent changes to it.
Secondly, "Kajishima canon" says nothing about whether or not they're canonically connected. You may as well use the argument that Titanic, Terminator and Avatar are events that occurred in a single universe because they are all part of James Cameron's canon.
Thirdly, if anything it refutes your own position. Because if you scroll down. You'll see this line.
"The second is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, which was released in Japan in 2001. The series takes place during the Kajishima version of the OVA continuity, and is set a year after the events of the third OVA series (despite being released first chronologically)"
In other words, it directly says that it occurred within the same universe and not a parallel universe as you suggest.
Fourthly, according to the article "Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure" isn't part of the main author's canon material.
Fifthly, Aside from you being unable to prove that there might be a few extra universes in Tenchi Muyo! it wouldn't contribute to anything. It's still a finite amount, and a diminutive at that without around a dozen universes, no matter how you twist it.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
And where are you getting this "fragile to finite power sources" shit? Tokimi could have destroyed the universe to break Z's 2 LHWs (less powerful than his full 5), where is it shown that her power would be finite then?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Hell, you could dump a finite amount of energy into the real universe, but still enough to create a massive black hole and consume the whole thing.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't mean mathematical abstractions, I mean actually envisioning it in your head, as in what it would be like to move and act within it.
Not that it holds any relevance, because this is never said in the series. It's something you made up based on a vague quotation which could be interpreted in a great number of ways.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You are obviously just trolling now.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
its kind of funny that you hide behind all these fallacies
Why someone would attempt to demonize someone for pointing out logical fallacies to begin with is beyond me.
Originally posted by Astner
"An artificially-created universe that exists within the bounds of another universe."
Doesn't say anything about size.
When you're dismissing proof without basing that dismissal on any form of evidence you're committing the "Arguing from Ignorance" fallacy.
What you have isn't proof. It's a character statement with nothing to back it up. That's called hyperbole.
"Red Herring" fallacy.
How is simply saying "wrong" a Red Herring? It seems you're just tossing out the names of fallacious randomly now without actually trying to explain how they apply.
"Straw-man" fallacy. You're suggesting that the technology of creating universes is common since she managed to--under unknown circumstances--create universes.
A strawman is when I say you said something that you didn't say. That's not the situation. Furthermore, she must have used the technology that was available to her as she didn't have cosmic powers at that time. This is further supported by the "small universe" comment in GXP.
Then you're in no position to act as if you have provided said evidence.
I gave different evidence to support it.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that the Chousin couldn't grant Light-Hawk Wings, [b]a finite power source.*snip*
Way to completely misinterpret that scene. What he is saying is that they will recreate him if he is killed but without the LHWs, not that they couldn't grant them to him, but they won't. That's because Tenchi is an anomaly, and his LHWs are derived from the power of Kami Tenchi, not Tsunami as most LHWs are.
That's not what I'm saying, that's what's said in the series.
No, you are completely taking it out of context, and I just explained the context. It's a reference to a comment made in the first Tenchi novel, which was retconned in the third Tenchi novel.
Are you aware of that a carbon-copy spin-off could well have their own Chousins and even Tenchi Kane no Kami?
There's absolutely no evidence of such a thing.
You didn't answer my question. Where did you get that Franklin Richards as a toddler was more powerful than the Cube Beings?
Now this is a strawman. I never said more powerful, I said as powerful. And it's because he has comparable feats.
Aside from the final segment of your statement which is nothing but speculation, as it was never mentioned that the "forth dimension" could withstand ten Light-Hawk Wings. The fact remains:The Light-Hawk Wings are limited sources of power, and overpowering two of them in the "third dimension" would destroy it. Hence the "third dimension" is fragile.
It was said that manifesting more than 10 in the third dimension would destroy it, implying that the 4th or higher wouldn't be similarly affected. Furthermore, your logic is ass-backwards, as the LHWs are not finite, they are reality hacks, they don't need infinite power to generate, if that's what you mean, but their effects are effectively infinite against normal attacks. The third dimension is effective our universe, so the power Tokimi was going to use to break Z's 2 LHWs was enough power to destroy a universe like ours. Saying that means the universe is fragile is just bullshit, as you are attempting to gauge it in relation to a power of otherwise unknown magnitude. If someone blows up a planet, do you just assume "oh that was a weak, fragile planet"?
The fact that there were contradictions in Dragonball GT is not what made it non-canon. The fact that the author of the original series rejected it as a continuation of his series is what makes it canon.
Just more evidence to back it up.
Wrong. Akira Toriayama made a great number of contributions to Dragonball GT regarding character designs and such.
The point was he didn't write the story.
Which you've yet to prove.
I just did.
There are a number of troubles with this.Firstly, there are no sources in this article and it isn't protected. So I could as well go in and make some alterations to it, examining it's history you'll also see that there has been recent changes to it.
Secondly, "Kajishima canon" says nothing about whether or not they're canonically connected. You may as well use the argument that Titanic, Terminator and Avatar are events that occurred in a single universe because they are all part of James Cameron's canon.
No, the Kajishima canon is the canon of the series as officially recognized by its creator, Masaki Kajishima. You are just being obtuse by deny this. Kajishima has created many other works which are not part of the Kajishima canon for Tenchiverse.
Thirdly, if anything it refutes your own position. Because if you scroll down. You'll see this line."The second is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, which was released in Japan in 2001. The series takes place during the Kajishima version of the OVA continuity, and is set a year after the events of the third OVA series (despite being released first chronologically)"
In other words, it directly says that it occurred within the same universe and not a parallel universe as you suggest.
What are you talking about? I never said that GXP took place in an alternate universe. GXP takes place in the same universe. I said that Dual and InSM take place in alternate universes. This is another example of a strawman fallacy, since you don't seem to understand what one is. Furthermore, you just accepted that GXP is canon.
Fourthly, according to the article "Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure" isn't part of the main author's canon material.
It doesn't say that.
Fifthly, Aside from you being unable to prove that there might be a few extra universes in Tenchi Muyo! it wouldn't contribute to anything. It's still a finite amount, and a diminutive at that without around a dozen universes, no matter how you twist it.
No, the number of universes is unknown and we know they can be created quite easily. Furthermore, the higher universes in the hyperdimension are far beyond the universe as we envision it, so saying they are no more than just normal universes is downplaying it.
The fact that a finite power source would destroy the "third dimension".
Where are you getting Tokimi's power being finite from? It was directly stated that the Chousein have infinite power.
This is reasoning is faulty for two reasons. Since our universe may well be infinite, as the density parameter omega isn't determined yet.
Most cosmologists consider it to be finite though.
And black holes evaporate, see Hawking radiation. You don't destroy space with black holes.
Can't evaporate if there is nothing to evaporate into, if the thing spans the entire universe.
You'd be given two more degrees of freedom, one translational and one rotational. It's not really that difficult. We may even live in a universe where we aren't able to interact with all dimensions.
I brought that up already but you dismissed the idea.
A few extra spatial dimensions wouldn't necessarily do anything.
Yes it would. We wouldn't even be able to comprehend the movement in space and things like trajectory and coordinates. Our bodies simply aren't built for that kind of thing. If a 2 - dimensional being was put in our universe, how could it exist when parts of it would be outside of its own perception and communication?
Not that it holds any relevance, because this is never said in the series. It's something you made up based on a vague quotation which could be interpreted in a great number of ways.
Never said that was what I literally meant, it's just an analogy.
So I'm trolling because I repeatedly remind you of that you haven't provide any evidence to support your claims? Either way you're currently throwing an "Ad Hominem" attack at me, so there's no point in addressing this. [/B]
No, you're trolling because you continually take things out of context, deny what is obvious even after it is shown to you, and are simply trying to downplay Tenchi.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Doesn't say anything about size.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
What you have isn't proof. It's a character statement with nothing to back it up. That's called hyperbole.
What's given is exposition and for you to dismiss it as hyperbole of personal bias, is nothing but red herring.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
How is simply saying "wrong" a Red Herring? It seems you're just tossing out the names of fallacious randomly now without actually trying to explain how they apply.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
A strawman is when I say you said something that you didn't say. That's not the situation.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Furthermore, she must have used the technology that was available to her as she didn't have cosmic powers at that time.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I gave different evidence to support it.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Way to completely misinterpret that scene. What he is saying is that they will recreate him if he is killed but without the LHWs, not that they couldn't grant them to him, but they won't.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, you are completely taking it out of context, and I just explained the context. It's a reference to a comment made in the first Tenchi novel, which was retconned in the third Tenchi novel.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
There's absolutely no evidence of such a thing.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Now this is a strawman. I never said more powerful, I said as powerful. And it's because he has comparable feats.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It was said that manifesting more than 10 in the third dimension would destroy it, implying that the 4th or higher wouldn't be similarly affected.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Furthermore, your logic is ass-backwards, as the LHWs are not finite
Originally posted by Endless Mike
bThe third dimension is effective our universe, so the power Tokimi was going to use to break Z's 2 LHWs was enough power to destroy a universe like ours.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Saying that means the universe is fragile is just bullshit, as you are attempting to gauge it in relation to a power of otherwise unknown magnitude.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If someone blows up a planet, do you just assume "oh that was a weak, fragile planet"?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Just more evidence to back it up.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, the Kajishima canon is the canon of the series as officially recognized by its creator, Masaki Kajishima. You are just being obtuse by deny this. Kajishima has created many other works which are not part of the Kajishima canon for Tenchiverse.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I said that Dual and InSM take place in alternate universes.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Furthermore, you just accepted that GXP is canon.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, the number of universes is unknown and we know they can be created quite easily. Furthermore, the higher universes in the hyperdimension are far beyond the universe as we envision it, so saying they are no more than just normal universes is downplaying it.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Where are you getting Tokimi's power being finite from? It was directly stated that the Chousein have infinite power.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Most cosmologists consider it to be finite though.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Can't evaporate if there is nothing to evaporate into, if the thing spans the entire universe.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I brought that up already but you dismissed the idea.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes it would. We wouldn't even be able to comprehend the movement in space and things like trajectory and coordinates.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Our bodies simply aren't built for that kind of thing. If a 2 - dimensional being was put in our universe, how could it exist when parts of it would be outside of its own perception and communication?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]Never said that was what I literally meant, it's just an analogy.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, you're trolling because you continually take things out of context, deny what is obvious even after it is shown to you, and are simply trying to downplay Tenchi.
Originally posted by Astner
[B]Exactly, so even under the assumption that the New Gods were creating pocket universes you can't say anything regarding their size.
Okay.... still doesn't make it any more impressive than Washu's jar full'o universes, which was just something done with normal tech.
We can clearly see them shaping universes.*snip*
What's given is exposition and for you to dismiss it as hyperbole of personal bias, is nothing but red herring.
I was talking about the Rom the Spaceknight scan. Please stop misinterpreting my words.
Red herring is a category of logical fallacies, the one you specifically committed was wishful thinking. You have no coherent argument supporting the reasoning that behind that sentiment.
It's wishful thinking to tell you that you were wrong about calling my dismissing one of your claims as hyperbole an appeal to ignorance fallacy? I think you're simply getting messed up.
That's right. What you committed was a Ignoratio elenchi fallacy.
You just called it a strawman fallacy. 🙄
Considering the fact that its existence was only mentioned in her lab. She could well have developed her own technology.
Possibly, but keep in mind that she was only a candidate for the science academy at that time. Either way it proves that it's possible for powers much weaker than the Chousein to create universes in TM! Also, like I mentioned, this is supported by the "small universe" comment in GXP, but you ignored that part.
None of which sources were credible in the least. Some of it even went against a number of your other claims.
No it didn't, you misinterpreted my claims. Furthermore, I'm currently gathering more evidence.
Wrong, he specifically said that they were unable to unable to recreate them.
Unable to recreate the type that get their power from Kami Tenchi, not the type that get their power from Tsunami. In fact before Tenchi even knew about his powers he speculated that the LHWs he used in his battle with Kagato might have been provided by Tsunami. She could surely give those to him if she wanted to.
Could you prove this?
Sure.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/tatsumingo/world/episode3/database.html
'Er.. yeah. ... wha, what? The Jurai fleet which attacked the "Shank" guild's base and its new battle ship "Sheaplis" was crushed!?' cried out Washu in surprise.
'I see so that's why the top people were unsettled,' said Naja.
'Did you know about it?'
'Of course I don't know much about it, but it is true that a request for an analysis was brought to Professor Ikuma in secret.'
What was written in the report was like this.
The base of the Shank guild discovered by the Jurai fleet had a scale same as one nation. Food, daily stuffs, and what more, a planet class battle ship were manufactured at that plant and it was easy to suspect that it was an very important way stationary base. This might be the reason why they obstinately attacked planet "Kanemitsu".
The Jurai fleet was defeating the Shanks and when they destroyed half of the institution, it happened.
A mega-size battle ship hundred and dozens times larger than the planet class ship "Sheaplis" appeared to power up. This ship seemed to be a very peculiar one and most of its structure was an energy generator. Enormous power equal to a whole star was laid inside and suddenly this energy was blasted to the Royal ship.
'...But that's strange. Considering the power generated inside the ship, this blaster can't be so small..' marveled Washu reading the data which was measured.
This was true. The energy of the blaster was several thousand times smaller than that generated in the power generator. Though it was also true that even though all the energy was blasted toward the Royal ship it wasn't able to destroy it. This Royal ship was one of the third-generation ships and the blaster should not have been possible to penetrate the sub-Light Hawk Wing, which is not materialized.
'But the Royal ship was destroyed.'
To Naja's words, Washu nodded. The report continued that having the Royal ship destroyed, the fleet got a counterblow by the Shanks but finally defeated the super battle ship and the base by exchange of losing 80 percent of their fleet.
'I see, so Professor Ikuma was asked to research this data,' said Naja and reached over Washu and opened the data files of the destroyed Royal ship.
'...Oh?'
Washu noticed that there was strange line of energy in the picture of which the moment when the energy blast just reached the Royal ship was taken.
'What? I can't see it,' said Naja.
'That can't be true. Over here,' said Washu and pointed the lines of lights shown on the monitor.
'You say so, but I can't see a thing.'
'But, that can't be true.'
Washu checked all the data but indeed no data reported such light.
'Washu-chan, can you really see it?' asked Naja.
'Yes, I do.' Washu only could nod to Naja's words. It was the fact.
'Nothing shown in the data but only Washu-chan can see it. But it is interesting that the Light Hawk Wings have similar characteristics. No doubt that when the ship was attacked it was spreading the sub-LHW. However, it was destroyed.'
'What happens when two LHWs hits each other?'
'There is no record for such experiment... but probably the reason why the Royal ship was destroyed lies there.'
As you can see, it wasn't pure power, it was a mysterious force similar to a LHW that negated the sub-LHW, similar to how Z was able to cancel out Tenchi's LHWs.
Don't shift the burden of proof. You're the one claiming that they're the same.
The LHWs are obviously the same as they demonstrate all of the same capabilities. Even the effect of crushing the opponent to nothingness was the same as what Seina's mecha did in GXP.
Which also is unfounded.
How so? Franklin has created universes, Cube Beings have created universes. Franklin has warped reality, Cube Beings have warped reality. It was stated that Franklin's power was much less than a Celestial, it was also stated that Cube Beings' powers were much less than a Celestial. They seem comparable to me.
No, as the universe of interest it was just addressed.
When Z was challenging Tokimi he said that it would be too dangerous for her to release her power "in this lowly dimension". Implying the higher dimensions can handle more.
They're finite, as explained in "The 101 Secrets of Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki!".
No, what that states is that they can be generated with finite power. Not that they themselves are finite.
It's not the current state universe, and an infinite amount of energy would most certainly not destroy our universe as it's an facet of alternative states.
Which just makes it more impressive, as Tokimi was going to shatter time and space to destroy it all instantly.
The magnitude is finite, and you could make plausible estimations from where the Chousin hinders Z's attack and destroys a fraction of the galaxy.
More proof you don't know what you were talking about, as that event had nothing to do with Z, it was Tsunami coming in to stop Tokimi, in fact they had to hold back as if they had released their power as they originally intended to the universe would have been destroyed. In other words, Tokimi called off her attack at the last moment as she was blocked by Tsunami, but their clash still caused that amount of damage.
Straw-man.
Not really, as your entire argument relies on your claim that the power to generate LHWs is the same as the power to overcome them, which is not shown and directly contradicted.
No. Contradictions does in no way affect the canon of a series.
They do if they're unresolvable. Although arguing this would be a pointless tangent.
Which has nothing to do with whether they're canonically connected or not.
They clearly are, as Kajishima works on them and makes sure everything ties into the main plotline and is consistent. If Marvel publishes a comic book, say, Hulk #1, then they make Hulk#2, do you need it to be directly stated in the comic that Hulk #2 is canon to Hulk#1?
The former wasn't mentioned under Kajishima canon.
So now you accept the Kajishima canon, eh? 😎
