Who is the most powerful Anime character ever?

Started by Endless Mike109 pages

Part 2 (Continued):

No, I was arguing from your hypothetically created scenario. Hence the "even if" segment. Once you prove your claim, then I'll accept it.

What more proof is necessary? GXP is a direct sequel to the Ryo-Ohki OVAs.

Here:

http://www.astronerdboy.com/tenchi/Section%201/FAQ-2.html

This also indicates that Dual! is canon.

No. We know that the third dimension (universe) can be destroyed with a finite amount of energy.

No we don't, you're simply misinterpreting a quote from 101 secrets to back that up.

So it's not as complex as ours to begin with. I'm not saying that any of the "higher dimensions" can't withstand a infinite amount energy (even though it's more than likely to be true). But in the end the hyper-dimension is a finite set of universes of small quantity, with no credible connection to spatial dimensionality in any manner as you suggest.

Actually one theory suggests that the number might be infinite, as the Chousein were only aware of 11, but Kami Tenchi came from a higher dimension, which was so complex they couldn't conceive of it, so therefore there could be beings from even higher dimensions that are above Kami Tenchi.

Straw-man. I said that overcoming two Light-Hawk Wings (finite sources) would destroy the universe.

And I already explained why that was wrong. Light Hawk Wings already showed the ability to negate the infinite gravity beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

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[*]False.
[*]Even if it was true it would be an appeal to authority, as it's based on personal belief.
[*]It's more likely to be infinite than not.
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No, it's based on the scientific conclusions of cosmologists. Last article I read speculated that due to cosmic inflation, the universe was several times larger (in light-years) than its age. Of course if you could provide a more up - to - date scientific paper that states something else, I would be glad to take a look at it.

Read up on Hawking radiation, this is getting ridiculous.

I know what Hawking radiation is, thank you, but I am talking about the entire universe in one singularity, such as the state "before" the Big Bang (before in quotes because there would be no time).

No. I said it was possible, not factual.

Yet you insinuated that because it had not been proven that it was not even worth mentioning, but then you brought it up yourself later.

Once again, it's rather easy to comprehend.

You wave your arm around in a 4 - dimensional space. What happens to it? What would it look like?

Really my impression is that parts of our bodies would be spread unnaturally throughout these extra spacial dimensions so we wouldn't even be able to form connections between important parts of out bodies to pump blood, send nerve impulses, etc. and we would die.

Sight is two-dimensional.

The image we see is two dimensional, but that's why we have two eyes, for depth perception, and furthermore our brains are evolved to make sense of three - dimensional images. Furthermore, you dodged my question.

Rather than analogies and speculation. Use evidence.

I've already provided evidence that the higher dimensions in the hyperdimension are more complex and that things that would be devastating in the lower dimensions wouldn't be in the higher ones.

You might want to read up on trolling as well.

Saying GXP is not canon? Really, how else can that be interpreted?

Considering the fact that there's a lot of points repeatedly brought up in various shapes and forms (which further caused you to split your reply in two parts) I'm going to address the valid ones. If you feel that I left out important parts of your argument, mention it in your reply.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay.... still doesn't make it any more impressive than Washu's jar full'o universes, which was just something done with normal tech.

Actually it is, for a number of reasons.

First off, it's shaped from individual power and not some unidentified technology which may or may not be portable.

Secondly, there's no exposition regarding the time frame. For all we know it might have taken a number of years for each universe.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's wishful thinking to tell you that you were wrong about calling my dismissing one of your claims as hyperbole an appeal to ignorance fallacy? I think you're simply getting messed up.

Inaccurate. You declare hyperbole for what you subjectively call out to be insufficient evidence. Which is not how it works. The only time you can call hyperbole is if a statement has been contradicted in the source material. This is not the case here.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Also, like I mentioned, this is supported by the "small universe" comment in GXP, but you ignored that part.

The sources you provided further down in this post are not only vague, but also all fan made without references to source material. There's not point in addressing an argument which isn't credible to begin with.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Unable to recreate the type that get their power from Kami Tenchi, not the type that get their power from Tsunami. In fact before Tenchi even knew about his powers he speculated that the LHWs he used in his battle with Kagato might have been provided by Tsunami.

Except that at that point, Z hadn't told him that the Chousin were unable to provide him with Light-Hawk Wings.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
She could surely give those to him if she wanted to.

Except that she never gave anyone Light-Hawk Wings.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Sure.

http://homepage2.nifty.com/tatsumingo/world/episode3/database.html

As you can see, it wasn't pure power, it was a mysterious force similar to a LHW that negated the sub-LHW, similar to how Z was able to cancel out Tenchi's LHWs.


And this contradict the following statement?

"14. About the secret of Ko-oh-yoku (Wings of hawk of light?).
Answer:
It is a manifestation of God's aura.
Ko-oh-yoku is a manifestation of God's aura and not a weapon. Although apart
from Tsunami, one Tree can produce only three Ko-oh-yoku, they are enough to
protect the entire ship. Ko-oh-yoku does not shut the incoming energy out
but
converts it to harmless one (one power exists that could pierce them but it
requires huge amount of energy and a very big system).

Incidentally, to increase the number of Ko-oh-yoku by one, twice as much
energy is needed. (ie, Tsunami uses 2^10/2^3 = 2^7 = 128 times as much as energy.)"

The 101 Secrets of Tenchi Muyo! Full Translation

No, it doesn't. Any finite system, powerful enough, could shatter them.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, what that states is that they can be generated with finite power. Not that they themselves are finite.

"(one power exists that could pierce them but it
requires huge amount of energy and a very big system).
"

A finite source of power can overcome them. So they're finite.

Furthermore if they were infinite sources of energy you could from one Light-Hawk Wing create any desired number of them.

So according to the author, it takes a finite amount of energy to summon them and a finite amount of energy to overcome them. Period.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which just makes it more impressive, as Tokimi was going to shatter time and space to destroy it all instantly.

Argument by scenario fallacy.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So now you accept the Kajishima canon, eh? 😎

Non sequitur fallacy.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What more proof is necessary? GXP is a direct sequel to the Ryo-Ohki OVAs.

Here:

http://www.astronerdboy.com/tenchi/Section%201/FAQ-2.html

This also indicates that Dual! is canon.


No it doesn't.

The anime series Parallel Trouble Adventure Dual! is created by Kajishima-sensei and according to him does tie in to the OAV universe in some way. In GXP, there are tie-over references to Dual! with a mecha very much like Zinv being found on a distant planet. In the Dual! series, however, none of the characters are directly related to the characters in Tenchi Muyo! however (although the main character Kazuki Yotsuga coincidentally has the same name as King Azusa Jurai's father). Incidentally, and rather amusingly, the otherwise non-OAV continuity characters Kiyone, Rumiya, and Misao appear very briefly at the end of Dual! episode 14.

Aside from having no source material to back it up, it's rather vague and seemingly based off speculation.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually one theory suggests that the number might be infinite, as the Chousein were only aware of 11, but Kami Tenchi came from a higher dimension, which was so complex they couldn't conceive of it, so therefore there could be beings from even higher dimensions that are above Kami Tenchi.

What do you hope to gain with this speculation?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And I already explained why that was wrong. Light Hawk Wings already showed the ability to negate the infinite gravity beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

What? The gravity beyond the event horizon isn't infinite. Simply enough to trap light. Light-speed isn't infinite.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, it's based on the scientific conclusions of cosmologists. Last article I read speculated that due to cosmic inflation, the universe was several times larger (in light-years) than its age. Of course if you could provide a more up - to - date scientific paper that states something else, I would be glad to take a look at it.

First off, what article? What scientifically based article would base its main premise on non-scientific speculation? Furthermore considering that you a few months ago weren't familiar with the symbol rho, I have a hard time believing that what you say is true.

Regardless, here's some accurate (actual) information.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/denpar.html
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I know what Hawking radiation is, thank you, but I am talking about the entire universe in one singularity, such as the state "before" the Big Bang (before in quotes because there would be no time).

Covering the universe in black holes would not reduce the universe to the state before the big bang. Heck, how could you even conclude this with the knowledge that black holes have different sizes (micro, stellar, intermediate-mass and supermassive)?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Really my impression is that parts of our bodies would be spread unnaturally throughout these extra spacial dimensions so we wouldn't even be able to form connections between important parts of out bodies to pump blood, send nerve impulses, etc. and we would die.

Which wouldn't be the case, as matter acts in three dimensions. You need to shift a certain motion parameter for that to work.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The image we see is two dimensional, but that's why we have two eyes, for depth perception, and furthermore our brains are evolved to make sense of three - dimensional images. Furthermore, you dodged my question.

Yes, two two-dimensional pictures give the illusion of three dimensions, not actually three dimensions.

What was the question I dodged?

He probably not the most powerful character ever, but I think he is worth mentioning.

Yuu Kaito from Yu Yu Hakusho. Within his territory (which he can expand with training) he is able "Taboo" certain actions of his choice. In the show, he banned violence of any kind. This taboo is so effective, Hiei broke his sword attempting to kill him.
Aside from this, if you break one of Yuu Kaito's rules (which he can manipulate and get very clever with) you lose your soul to Yuu Kaito. The only way to dispel his territory is for Yuu Kaito to become unconscious. This power works on Humans, demons, etc.

Inoue from Bleach is the most powerful, isn't she? she can reject your entire existence.

Originally posted by marwash22
Inoue from Bleach is the most powerful, isn't she? she can reject your entire existence.

Not even close.

Compare to Haruhi Suzumiya who can re-write the universe (unconsciously), deleting anyone who isn't in her new vision for it.

key word is subconsciously. Does it count if you can't fully control your power?

Originally posted by marwash22
key word is subconsciously. Does it count if you can't fully control your power?

Sure, she could do it on purpose if she knew about it, which is why everyone's so desperate to prevent that. In fact, another character hijacked some power and did use it on purpose, re-writing the universe.

Come to think of it, any date-integration thought entity terminal from the series could delete someone locally no problem, they just can't do wide-scale like she can.

For sure! I'm not doubting her power is greater. I'm asking if unrealized power is greater than realized power, or, do you think...

Potential power > Actualized power?

Lemme ask this, would you say baby Franklin Richards is more powerful than Prof X?

All of that above is taboo, and not allowed in Yuu Kaito's territory if he wills it.

Originally posted by marwash22
For sure! I'm not doubting her power is greater. I'm asking if unrealized power is greater than realized power, or, do you think...

Potential power > Actualized power?

Lemme ask this, would you say baby Franklin Richards is more powerful than Prof X?

It depends on the circumstances. Even Haruhi's subconscious alterations have surpassed what Orihime has achieved.

true. However, that territory crap doesn't stop people from thinking. A lot of, if not the vast majority of people that can manipulate reality, don't have to speak in order to use their abilities.

Also, Kaito's power would have no effect on Inoue seeing as her ability to reject your entire existence, is non-violent.

Originally posted by marwash22
true. However, that territory crap doesn't stop people from thinking. A lot of, if not the vast majority of people that can manipulate reality, don't have to speak in order to use their abilities.

Also, Kaito's power would have no effect on Inoue seeing as her ability to reject your entire existence, is non-violent.

The rule for no violence or speaking a certain word can be changed. Kaito says it's something he decided on, which insinuates that he can decide on something else if he so chooses.

Again, true! However, without knowledge of what his opponent is capable of, how would he know what to make taboo?

Yeah, I guess prep time is uber important for him. I guess you could get freakin' retarded and fall back on a rule like "If you are female in my territory, I get your soul" but it would have to be a rule that doesn't apply to Kaito himself, because his own rules work on him too.

Originally posted by Astner
Considering the fact that there's a lot of points repeatedly brought up in various shapes and forms (which further caused you to split your reply in two parts) I'm going to address the valid ones. If you feel that I left out important parts of your argument, mention it in your reply.

Sure thing, buddy.

Actually it is, for a number of reasons.

First off, it's shaped from individual power and not some unidentified technology which may or may not be portable.

She was on a spaceship at the time. How is that not portable?

Secondly, there's no exposition regarding the time frame. For all we know it might have taken a number of years for each universe.

Again, that's reaching. How do you know the New Gods weren't taking years to do theirs and we only saw them in the process?

(Point you left out #1): How you misinterpreted my claims about the Rom scan to mean the New Gods scan.

Inaccurate. You declare hyperbole for what you subjectively call out to be insufficient evidence. Which is not how it works. The only time you can call hyperbole is if a statement has been contradicted in the source material. This is not the case here.

Not only does that not address your misuse of logical fallacies, but if all we have is a character statement with no evidence to back it up, that is considered hyperbole. Franklin Richards has never demonstrated that kind of power. There is nothing contradicting the claim that Kami Tenchi is truly Omnipotent, so does that mean you accept it?

(Point you left out #2): Confusing fallacies again. You called one of my claims a strawman fallacy, then you called it an irrelevant thesis.

The sources you provided further down in this post are not only vague, but also all fan made without references to source material. There's not point in addressing an argument which isn't credible to begin with.

You're still seriously denying that GXP is canon? 😆

What do you want, a signed letter from Kajishima?

Except that at that point, Z hadn't told him that the Chousin were unable to provide him with Light-Hawk Wings.

No, he said that they would recreate him without the LHWs, since they derived from a higher power than the Chousein. Z's goal was to wipe out Tenchi's power, since he didn't want anyone else to have the power that he did. He wasn't trying to go around and destroy all of the Juraian ships which had Tsunami - derived LHWs, he was only interested in the "anomalies" like himself and Tenchi.

Except that she never gave anyone Light-Hawk Wings.

She's a cosmic being, she can create LHWs and manipulate them. What you're saying is akin to claiming that the Beyonder couldn't turn an apple into an orange because we never saw him do it.

And this contradict the following statement?

*snip*

No, it doesn't. Any finite system, powerful enough, could shatter them.

Wow, way to completely misinterpret the quote. This is the same shit that Phenomenol tried to pull. Read the passage again: The pirate ship's generator should have never been able to destroy the Sheaplis, because the sub-LHW would have nullified its attacks, however, the Sub-LHW was cancelled out by a mysterious power that only Washu could detect due to her Chousein nature. In other words, it takes Chousein - style cosmic power (this includes other LHWs) to cancel them.

(Point you left out #3): You claimed it was unfounded to compare Franklin's power to that of Cube Beings and I refuted that.

(Point you left out #4): You claimed Tokimi's planned attack on Z would have destroyed the higher dimensions as well but Z's quote refutes that.

"[b](one power exists that could pierce them but it
requires huge amount of energy and a very big system).
"

A finite source of power can overcome them. So they're finite.

That's not what it means. First of all, it's a reference to a statement made in the first novel, which was retconned in that passage I just showed you from the third novel, where it was revealed to be a mysterious LHW-like power. Second of all, "one power" means "one specific type of power", not "enough power", as you are seeming to claim. The fact that it takes a finite of energy to support that type of power is irrelevant, just as is the fact that it takes a finite amount of power to generate LHWs.

Furthermore if they were infinite sources of energy you could from one Light-Hawk Wing create any desired number of them.

Except they are not conventional energy, they are reality hacks. They can alter the laws of physics, as a sort of "programmer's backdoor" for the universe, the programmers being the Chousein. They are obviously not infinite in every capacity, but in their ability to negate conventional matter and energy, they are.

So according to the author, it takes a finite amount of energy to summon them and a finite amount of energy to overcome them. Period.

Wrong. We only see them "overcome" once: When Kami Tenchi releases his power, which is hardly finite. In addition, Tokimi needed to completely shatter all of time and space in the third dimension instantly.

Argument by scenario fallacy.

How so? You say an infinite amount of energy cannot destroy the universe, then I point out that Tokimi was going to do just that, and all at the same time. Therefore, we can say her attack is either beyond infinite or simply not a conventional application of energy, but powerful reality warping.

(Point you left out #5): You claimed that the hole in the galaxy was caused by Tokimi attempting to stop Z's attack, which is blatantly false, and also implied that it was the maximum power a Chousein could exhibit and/or the maximum power that LHWs could deflect.

(Point you left out #6): You are being obscenely stubborn about refusing to accept canon. Kajishima himself makes sure that the works under the Kajishima canon are all connected with as few contradictions as possible, as he writes them himself and ties them into his larger universe. As I said, If Marvel publishes a Hulk #1, then they make Hulk#2, do you need it to be directly stated in the comic that Hulk #2 is canon to Hulk#1?

Non sequitur fallacy.

Actually I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy, as you were using the Kajishima canon to support your arguments when convenient and then denying it when it wasn't.

No it doesn't.

The anime series Parallel Trouble Adventure Dual! is created by Kajishima-sensei and according to him does tie in to the OAV universe in some way. In GXP, there are tie-over references to Dual! with a mecha very much like Zinv being found on a distant planet. In the Dual! series, however, none of the characters are directly related to the characters in Tenchi Muyo! however (although the main character Kazuki Yotsuga coincidentally has the same name as King Azusa Jurai's father). Incidentally, and rather amusingly, the otherwise non-OAV continuity characters Kiyone, Rumiya, and Misao appear very briefly at the end of Dual! episode 14.

Aside from having no source material to back it up, it's rather vague and seemingly based off speculation.

Kajishima states it does tie in to the continuity. Obviously the characters are not the same as it takes place in a different universe within the multiverse. Just like Ultimate Marvel characters are different from the 616 Marvel characters, yet the Ultimate universe is still a canonical part of the Marvel multiverse.

What do you hope to gain with this speculation?

Simply pointing out that the issue is much more complex than you are making it out to be.

What? The gravity beyond the event horizon isn't infinite. Simply enough to trap light. Light-speed isn't infinite.

No, but it would take infinite energy to accelerate an object with mass to lightspeed, and even that would not escape a black hole. Tenchi did with his LHWs.

First off, what article? What scientifically based article would base its main premise on non-scientific speculation? Furthermore considering that you a few months ago weren't familiar with the symbol rho, I have a hard time believing that what you say is true.

That somehow invalidates my ability to read an article stating "scientists speculate the universe is x large"?

*snip*

Those articles say nothing about the universe being infinite, in fact it confirms that is is expanding, which proves it's not infinite (how can something infinite expand?)

I suppose you could mean that it will continue to expand infinitely, so that at an infinitely far point in the future, it will be infinite in size, but that's not what I was talking about.

Part 2 (Continued):

Covering the universe in black holes would not reduce the universe to the state before the big bang. Heck, how could you even conclude this with the knowledge that black holes have different sizes (micro, stellar, intermediate-mass and supermassive)?

Now here's a strawman. I never said "covering the universe in black holes". As those articles you just posted attest to, if the mass in the universe were greater, this would cause the universe to collapse in a Big Crunch. Adding infinite energy to the universe would certainly cause that to happen.

(Point you left out #7): I brought up the multiple dimensions from string theory earlier, you dismissed it because it wasn't proven, then you yourself brought it up later

Which wouldn't be the case, as matter acts in three dimensions. You need to shift a certain motion parameter for that to work.

And why wouldn't that be the case? Do you have any examples of the behavior of matter in 4 - dimensional space? If the extra quantum-scale spacial dimensions exist, then matter would be too small to enter them.

Yes, two two-dimensional pictures give the illusion of three dimensions, not actually three dimensions.

What was the question I dodged? [/B]

If a 2 - dimensional being was put in our universe, how could it exist when parts of it would be outside of its own perception and communication?

sasuke or may b legolas

May would he know what to make taboo?

of reasons.
(Point you left out #1): How you misinterpreted my claims about the Rom scan to mean the New Gods scan.

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Inaccurate. You declare hyperbole for what you subjectively call out to be insufficient evidence. Which is not how it works. The only time you can call hyperbole is if a statement has been contradicted in the source material. This is not the case here.

Not only does that not address your misuse of logical fallacies, but if all we have is a character statement with no evidence to back it up, that is considered hyperbole. Franklin Richards has never demonstrated that kind of power. There is nothing contradicting the claim that Kami Tenchi is truly Omnipotent, so does that mean you accept it?

(Point you left out #2): Confusing fallacies again. You called one of my claims a strawman fallacy, then you called it an irrelevant thesis.

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The sources you provided further down in this post are not only vague, but also all fan made without references to source material. There's not point in addressing an argument which isn't credible to begin with.

You're still seriously denying that GXP is canon?

What do you want, a signed letter from Kajishima?

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Except that at that point, Z hadn't told him that the Chousin were unable to provide him with Light-Hawk Wings.

No, he said that they would recreate him without the LHWs, since they derived from a higher power than the Chousein. Z's goal was to wipe out Tenchi's power, since he didn't want anyone else to have the power that he did. He wasn't trying to go around and destroy all of the Juraian ships which had Tsunami - derived LHWs, he was only interested in the "anomalies" like himself and Tenchi.

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Except that she never gave anyone Light-Hawk Wings.

She's a cosmic being, she can create LHWs and manipulate them. What you're saying is akin to claiming that the Beyonder couldn't turn an apple into an orange because we never saw him do it.

quote:
And this contradict the following statement?

*snip*

No, it doesn't. Any finite system, powerful enough, could shatter them.

Wow, way to completely misinterpret the quote. This is the same shit that Phenomenol tried to pull. Read the passage again: The pirate ship's generator should have never been able to destroy the Sheaplis, because the sub-LHW would have nullified its attacks, however, the Sub-LHW was cancelled out by a mysterious power that only Washu could detect due to her Chousein nature. In other words, it takes Chousein - style cosmic power (this includes other LHWs) to cancel them.

(Point you left out #3): You claimed it was unfounded to compare Franklin's power to that of Cube Beings and I refuted that.

(Point you left out #4): You claimed Tokimi's planned attack on Z would have destroyed the higher dimensions as well but Z's quote refutes that.

quote:
"(one power exists that could pierce them but it
requires huge amount of energy and a very big system)."

A finite source of power can overcome them. So they're finite.

That's not what it means. First of all, it's a reference to a statement made in the first novel, which was retconned in that passage I just showed you from the third novel, where it was revealed to be a mysterious LHW-like power. Second of all, "one power" means "one specific type of power", not "enough power", as you are seeming to claim. The fact that it takes a finite of energy to support that type of power is irrelevant, just as is the fact that it takes a finite amount of power to generate LHWs.

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Furthermore if they were infinite sources of energy you could from one Light-Hawk Wing create any desired number of them.

Except they are not conventional energy, they are reality hacks. They can alter the laws of physics, as a sort of "programmer's backdoor" for the universe, the programmers being the Chousein. They are obviously not infinite in every capacity, but in their ability to negate conventional matter and energy, they are.

quote:
So according to the author, it takes a finite amount of energy to summon them and a finite amount of energy to overcome them. Period.

Wrong. We only see them "overcome" once: When Kami Tenchi releases his power, which is hardly finite. In addition, Tokimi needed to completely shatter all of time and space in the third dimension instantly.

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Argument by scenario fallacy.

How so? You say an infinite amount of energy cannot destroy the universe, then I point out that Tokimi was going to do just that, and all at the same time. Therefore, we can say her attack is either beyond infinite or simply not a conventional application of energy, but powerful reality warping.

(Point you left out #5): You claimed that the hole in the galaxy was caused by Tokimi attempting to stop Z's attack, which is blatantly false, and also implied that it was the maximum power a Chousein could exhibit and/or the maximum power that LHWs could deflect.

(Point you left out #6): You are being obscenely stubborn about refusing to accept canon. Kajishima himself makes sure that the works under the Kajishima canon are all connected with as few contradictions as possible, as he writes them himself and ties them into his larger universe. As I said, If Marvel publishes a Hulk #1, then they make Hulk#2, do you need it to be directly stated in the comic that Hulk #2 is canon to Hulk#1?

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Non sequitur fallacy.

Actually I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy, as you were using the Kajishima canon to support your arguments when convenient and then denying it when it wasn't.

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No it doesn't.

The anime series Parallel Trouble Adventure Dual! is created by Kajishima-sensei and according to him does tie in to the OAV universe in some way. In GXP, there are tie-over references to Dual! with a mecha very much like Zinv being found on a distant planet. In the Dual! series, however, none of the characters are directly related to the characters in Tenchi Muyo! however (although the main character Kazuki Yotsuga coincidentally has the same name as King Azusa Jurai's father). Incidentally, and rather amusingly, the otherwise non-OAV continuity characters Kiyone, Rumiya, and Misao appear very briefly at the end of Dual! episode 14.

Aside from having no source material to back it up, it's rather vague and seemingly based off speculation.

Kajishima states it does tie in to the continuity. Obviously the characters are not the same as it takes place in a different universe within the multiverse. Just like Ultimate Marvel characters are different from the 616 Marvel characters, yet the Ultimate universe is still a canonical part of the Marvel multiverse.

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What do you hope to gain with this speculation?

Simply pointing out that the issue is much more complex than you are making it out to be.

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What? The gravity beyond the event horizon isn't infinite. Simply enough to trap light. Light-speed isn't infinite.

No, but it would take infinite energy to accelerate an object with mass to lightspeed, and even that would not escape a black hole. Tenchi did with his LHWs.

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First off, what article? What scientifically based article would base its main premise on non-scientific speculation? Furthermore considering that you a few months ago weren't familiar with the symbol rho, I have a hard time believing that what you say is true.

That somehow invalidates my ability to read an article stating "scientists speculate the universe is x large"?

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*snip*

Those articles say nothing about the universe being infinite, in fact it confirms that is is expanding, which proves it's not infinite (how can something infinite expand?)

I suppose you could mean that it will continue to expand infinitely, so that at an infinitely far point in the future, it will be infinite in size, but that's not what I was talking about.

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Part 2 (Continued):

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Covering the universe in black holes would not reduce the universe to the state before the big bang. Heck, how could you even conclude this with the knowledge that black holes have different sizes (micro, stellar, intermediate-mass and supermassive)?

Now here's a strawman. I never said "covering the universe in black holes". As those articles you just posted attest to, if the mass in the universe were greater, this would cause the universe to collapse in a Big Crunch. Adding infinite energy to the universe would certainly cause that to happen.

(Point you left out #7): I brought up the multiple dimensions from string theory earlier, you dismissed it because it wasn't proven, then you yourself brought it up later

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Which wouldn't be the case, as matter acts in three dimensions. You need to shift a certain motion parameter for that to work.

And why wouldn't that be the case? Do you have any examples of the behavior of matter in 4 - dimensional space? If the extra quantum-scale spacial dimensions exist, then matter would be too small to enter them.

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Yes, two two-dimensional pictures give the illusion of three dimensions, not actually three dimensions.

What was the question I dodged?

If a 2 - dimensional being was put in our universe, how could it exist when parts of it would be outside of its own perception and communication?

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I would say goku!!!
can someone inform me otherwise??