Who is the most powerful Anime character ever?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
He channeled ki from other planets during the namek saga, yet, acording to you he couldn't ?

What are you talking about? I never said that. He channeled the nameks and other planets energy too vs buu but he needed Earths also.

Most people didn't even know what manga was during those times, the anime was waaaaaaaaay more popular than the manga.

I know this, but even before the anime, Dragonball Z was popular just not as. I knew about the series before it started showing in America.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
[B]What are you talking about? I never said that. He channeled the nameks and other planets energy too vs buu but he needed Earths also.]

That was my question, what I wanna is why didn't goku pull off that attack in the first place?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[BYeah, an alien race with so many plot devices to keep them ahead.
Basically you have

-Humans being jobbed all the time
-Projectile Spamming
-In perciveable fights that are drawn out to infinity
-A crappy plot

And throw in some random power boost every now and then, and you have DBZ. [/B]

WTF?

Listen to yourself.

The Humans are being jobbed because Saiyans are a stronger people. Period. That's just how things are. If you take a Saiyan and a Human, Saiyan>Human.

Projectile Spamming? That's is their weapon. It's what they do. Gonna say Bebop was bad cause they shot alot of guns? No.

Drawn out to infinity, eh? Well, when you have a plot with characters as powerful as these, it is hard to logically match 1000's of fighters throughout the universe to contest them. That is why so much was put into the few Rivals/Baddies.

Anybody can be like "d00d it has a crappy plot". I can just say "z0mg Ashtar is a fagg0l". Does that make it true?
No. Your opinion is not fact, stop trying to strut it around as if it were.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
He channeled ki from other planets during the namek saga, yet, acording to you he couldn't have the same in this instance ?

Most people didn't even know what manga was during those times, the anime was waaaaaaaaay more popular than the manga.

You=/=Poulation of the United states. Because you may have been ignorant, or most people you knew were ignorant to manga, doesn't logically represent "Most people".

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Naruto's been doing the samething lately with the nine tails crap, one of the reasons I stopped reading naruto.

Really? Im only at the beggining point of when Uchiha Itachi shows up.

Originally posted by Blax X
Really? Im only at the beggining point of when Uchiha Itachi shows up.

Naruto is over rated.

Your mom is over rated. I thought she would be much better then bed, at first 😉

How old are you?

Originally posted by calvs
WTF?

Listen to yourself.

The Humans are being jobbed because Saiyans are a stronger people. Period. That's just how things are. If you take a Saiyan and a Human, Saiyan>Human.

Beacuase they always gave saiyans some stupid plot device, here are some example's

-Super saiyan- For the life of me, I can't figure out why no other saiyan before goku could turn super saiyan one, let alone thre levels. I fail to see how goten succedded in transforming while fighting chi chi when millions of saiyans failed when fighting frieza.

-Stronger near Death-

Biggest steaming pile i ever heard of, basically when saiyans reach death's door and heal, they get a power boost. this allowed vegita to soar from a power level of 130,000 to 900,000

Originally posted by calvs

Projectile Spamming? That's is their weapon. It's what they do. Gonna say Bebop was bad cause they shot alot of guns? No.

Spamming projectiles is lame, hence why I claim the fighting sucks

Originally posted by calvs

Drawn out to infinity, eh? Well, when you have a plot with characters as powerful as these, it is hard to logically match 1000's of fighters throughout the universe to contest them. That is why so much was put into the few Rivals/Baddies.

Bullshit, how many strong fighters appear out of nowwhere and the Z senshi have chances to kill them but, let it slip by because of some stupid reason. cell was the worst by far.

Originally posted by calvs

Anybody can be like "d00d it has a crappy plot". I can just say "z0mg Ashtar is a fagg0l". Does that make it true?
No. Your opinion is not fact, stop trying to strut it around as if it were.

When did I claim my opinion was fact, if DBZ has merits in it's plot, than by all means please state them.

Originally posted by calvs

You=/=Poulation of the United states. Because you may have been ignorant, or most people you knew were ignorant to manga, doesn't logically represent "Most people".

I find it funny that whenever someone critques the crap known as DBZ, fanboys pull out lame explanations as to why.

"OMgZ U no RaEd MaNka dUb baDz! " or what ever lame explanation they can come up with, i read the manga and saw the entire anime, it sucks.

There is a huge difference between a fan and a fanboy. Going by his post, I wouldnt deem Calvs as a fanboy.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
There is a huge difference between a fan and a fanboy. Going by his post, I wouldnt deem Calvs as a fanboy.

-So, when he claims the merit in DBZ is in it's popularity.
-Buu can create dimensions

That's not fanboyish?

He claimed Buu could beat Lord Of Night mares, whe he did not even know who she was, and tha'ts not fanboyish?

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
How old are you?

I'm black, fool. So Im allowd to make yo momma jokes at any given point and time, and they're ALWAYS funny, regardlesss of how funny they may seem at first.

Originally posted by Blax X
I'm black, fool. So Im allowd to make yo momma jokes at any given point and time, and they're ALWAYS funny, regardlesss of how funny they may seem at first.

QFT

Beacuase they always gave saiyans some stupid plot device, here are some example's

-Super saiyan- For the life of me, I can't figure out why no other saiyan before goku could turn super saiyan one, let alone thre levels. I fail to see how goten succedded in transforming while fighting chi chi when millions of saiyans failed when fighting frieza.

-Stronger near Death-

Biggest steaming pile i ever heard of, basically when saiyans reach death's door and heal, they get a power boost. this allowed vegita to soar from a power level of 130,000 to 900,000

Goku was not the first to go Super Saiyan (Broly was)

And the reason is that in order to go Super Saiyan you must either have the Incentive (from circumstances which are met accordingly) or you know the Secret to becoming a Super Saiyan.

Hmm...
They are from another planet and therefore you can't really comepare them with humans. And other Animes have worse circumstancial feats than this. And where did you get those numbers? Looks a but Wiki to me..

Spamming projectiles is lame, hence why I claim the fighting sucks

Bullshit, how many strong fighters appear out of nowwhere and the Z senshi have chances to kill them but, let it slip by because of some stupid reason. cell was the worst by far.

When did I claim my opinion was fact, if DBZ has merits in it's plot, than by all means please state them.

I said you are acting AS IF your opininion is fact.

Strong points:
Very creative/unique character.
Blends humor with action.
Transformation to Super Saiyan levels make the plot more Climactive.
Every Episode was interesting and exciting.
Character conversion from evil to good and sometimes back again.
Music is good and fits action and plot PERFECTLY.

I find it funny that whenever someone critques the crap known as DBZ, fanboys pull out lame explanations as to why.

"OMgZ U no RaEd MaNka dUb baDz! " or what ever lame explanation they can come up with, i read the manga and saw the entire anime, it sucks.

That's your opinion, and from your rep doesn't count for much more than dirt.

-So, when he claims the merit in DBZ is in it's popularity.
-Buu can create dimensions

That's not fanboyish?

He claimed Buu could beat Lord Of Night mares, whe he did not even know who she was, and tha'ts not fanboyish?

Theoritically most chars. in DBZ can create Dimensions. Trunks did it though Time travel. Buu can do it by ripping each Dimension until he is forced to create one.

I am not a fanboy. Defending something isn't the same as being a fanboy.

Gonna say a soldier figthing in Iraq is a Fan of Bush? No.

I never even stated Goku was the Strongest Anime character. Or that Dragonball Z is the best anime.

Don't make assumptions and get your facts straight.

Brolly is non - canon.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Brolly is non - canon.

Broly was also the original intended super Saiyan that was shown when talking about "the legend of the Super Saiyan".

Akira Toriyama wanted a movie based on him.

If you are gonna come in, negate my entire post by saying one thing and it is "

"Broly isn't canon."

He still exists in the DBZ universe and is canon enough.

Point moot.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
QFT

Erm... 😕

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was by far the toughest on Dragon ball GT.
I'm not sure how he fare against that fur ball thing from Rayearth.N. but when it comes down to brute strength, I think he'd take the cake.

Originally posted by Avenger2.0
Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was by far the toughest on Dragon ball GT.
I'm not sure how he fare against that fur ball thing from Rayearth.N. but when it comes down to brute strength, I think he'd take the cake.

You guys wanna take this one? I'm pretty tired..

Originally posted by calvs
Goku was not the first to go Super Saiyan (Broly was)

And the reason is that in order to go Super Saiyan you must either have the Incentive (from circumstances which are met accordingly) or you know the Secret to becoming a Super Saiyan.

None of those "explanations" Pertain to Goku, Gohan, and Goten. None of them knew the secret to become a super saiyan

1. None of them new the secret to transforming, and if they did. Why was vegita unable to transform despite being the first person to bring the topic of super saiyan up?

2. So, Vegeta, Bardock, and all the other saiyans on planet vegeta did not have the incestive to transform. Despite being antagonisized by frieza. Yet, goten had the incentive while sparring with chi chi, BS.

Originally posted by calvs

Hmm...
They are from another planet and therefore you can't really comepare them with humans. And other Animes have worse circumstancial feats than this. And where did you get those numbers? Looks a but Wiki to me..

I get my numbers from the official power level readings, since I watched the series before. And what does it matter other anime's do that as well, how does that help your argument?

Originally posted by calvs

So is Hack-n-Slash fighting(Bleach), Rapid punches and kicks(Dragonball), Omnipotent Powers(Slayers). Those are just to name a few. Anime isn't a soap opera, these things are what contribute to the Fast paced action and greatness of Anime.

Dragon ball does have the kind of rapid fighting Dragon Ball Z has, and you never seen slayers. Fast paced action that you can't even freaking see is cool?

Originally posted by calvs

Huh? Okay, about 10 major Enemies in the Dragonball Z series (excluding movies)
How is it bullshit to make it Fewer, stronger fighters, than Mass fighters to gangbang Goku?

Because they always come right out of the blue and have no relevance to the plot, except to make fight scene's.

Originally posted by calvs

I said you are acting AS IF your opininion is fact.

Strong points:
Very creative/unique character.
Blends humor with action.
Transformation to Super Saiyan levels make the plot more Climactive.
Every Episode was interesting and exciting.
Character conversion from evil to good and sometimes back again.
Music is good and fits action and plot PERFECTLY.

So, words have manerisms now, because I haven't stated anything that would imply that I believe it's a fact. Your just taking it the wrong way.
And as for your strong points:

-All of which are borrowed from dragon ball, none of the concepts of DBZ are it's own, It's foundation is dragon ball.
-Again, blending humor with action is something it borrowed from Dragon Ball. And Dragon Ball does it way better, IMO.
-Right, It requires a plot device to make the fighting intresting. Let me ask you a question? If Dragon Ball Z never introduced super saiyan, would it be as good to you?
- "Every episode is intresting" doesn't tell me what makes the plot good?
-Your basically talking about vegeta, since no one went back to being "Evil" again.

Originally posted by calvs

This, like all of your responses are Vague and Generic. When ever something is critiqed there will be others who opose that opinion.

No, shit sherlock, of course people will oppose opions. How obvious is that, What I said was you Fanboys never debate your point with sense, you either assume someone hasn't seen the series or that they are mere haters and are not fimiliar with the series. Just like you assumed I never saw DBZ before.

Originally posted by calvs

That's your opinion, and from your rep doesn't count for much more than dirt.

What else would it be, if it wasn't an opinion?
I did however list facts

Fact: Humans always get jobbed
Fact: Saiyans always have a plot device to put them ahead of everyone

Originally posted by calvs

I never claimed "the merit in DBZ is in it's popularity."

You implyed it, I can easily quote you.

Originally posted by calvs

Theoritically most chars. in DBZ can create Dimensions. Trunks did it though Time travel. Buu can do it by ripping each Dimension until he is forced to create one.

Trunks had a time machine, and buu did create a dimension he ripped a hole in one that already exsisted.

Originally posted by calvs

I am not a fanboy. Defending something isn't the same as being a fanboy.

Gonna say a soldier figthing in Iraq is a Fan of Bush? No.

Originally posted by calvs

I never even stated Goku was the Strongest Anime character. Or that Dragonball Z is the best anime.

Don't make assumptions and get your facts straight.

I never said you claimed DBZ was the strongest.

Look, let's stop arguing about this. DBZ is fun to watch, but let's all agree the plot is repetative and lackluster. Doesn't make the series bad, just means it has crappy plot. Regarding Goku being the strongest being in anime, does this include mecha?