Who is the most powerful Anime character ever?

It also doesn't make Cell's statement true when Kid Buu shot a stronger blast that wasn't stopped.

How do you know that buu blast was stronger, did goku say it when the blast was being put up.

It also doesn't help your case to say Freeza was able to destroy the universe when much stronger blasts than Freeza can hope to achieve haven't done anything close.

and what blast are these and show me something saying that frieza cant perform the same blast.

Sure Freeza would be a universal threat in DBZ

Always has been

Not hard to go around to rule the universe without anybody stronger than you.

No matter whos around and even if superman was the most powerful, he would never be a universal threat.

Didnt goku go to koren to see if he was stronger then cell

Yeah he did since cell is a android and its hard to read his powers. To bad koren is so much more then reading powerlevels.

And for reading power levels...Vegeta seems to think he's so much more powerful than he is, and Future Trunks got his butt kicked by Cell after thinking he could win.

Again cell is a android and its hard to read his powerlevel. Vegeta was true when he thought that he was as powerful as trunks since vegita didnt boost up his durability and power like trunks foolishly did which decreased his speed. So overrall vegita either>trunks or vegita=trunks, your decision.

Gohan knew Gokou and Cell's power yet thought they were more powerful when they weren't.

Gohun never knew cell power, he was basing everything off of gokus performance, hell who wouldnt.

And really not one single person in DB went to school, and not one fighter is even that smart except Trunks, and Gohan though he's not a genius like Trunks or Bulma..So how the heck would any of them know how much power output it would take to do something? How would Gokou know how much power it would take to do something..The guy couldn't count until he was like 12.

and what does this have to do with anything, you act like caculations just go through there head when they sense powers. They can feel it just like when frieza came to earth and the z fighters felt his power and approach and start shaking because they knew they didnt stand a chance. Tien even said that they dont stand a chance, unless you can tell me why they didnt attack.

Ummmm....When was Frieza even hinted to be able to destroy a universe? You can't tell them to prove he can't, you have to prove he can.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Ummmm....When was Frieza even hinted to be able to destroy a universe? You can't tell them to prove he can't, you have to prove he can.

Goku said this during his battle with frieza, he said that if he dont stop frieza now he would destroy the universe. King kai also said that when he told goku not to approach frieza or his rage would consume the universe. It was said twice (could have been more then that) and king kai alone should be enough proof stating that frieza has universal destroying power.

Originally posted by carver9
How do you know that buu blast was stronger, did goku say it when the blast was being put up.

and what blast are these and show me something saying that frieza cant perform the same blast.

Always has been

No matter whos around and even if superman was the most powerful, he would never be a universal threat.

Yeah he did since cell is a android and its hard to read his powers. To bad koren is so much more then reading powerlevels.

Again cell is a android and its hard to read his powerlevel. Vegeta was true when he thought that he was as powerful as trunks since vegita didnt boost up his durability and power like trunks foolishly did which decreased his speed. So overrall vegita either>trunks or vegita=trunks, your decision.

Gohun never knew cell power, he was basing everything off of gokus performance, hell who wouldnt.

and what does this have to do with anything, you act like caculations just go through there head when they sense powers. They can feel it just like when frieza came to earth and the z fighters felt his power and approach and start shaking because they knew they didnt stand a chance. Tien even said that they dont stand a chance, unless you can tell me why they didnt attack.

Kid Buu's blast...any of them. Freeza isn't going to replicate them. Or Cell's blasts that ssj Gokou had to dodge. Or anything fired during the Cell Saga at that. Big Bang Attack is more powerful than anything Freeza is capable of.

Gohan assumed he was weaker than Gokou...yet he knew his own power. He felt Cell's power when fighting Gokou...he still thought he was weaker. Just because they can read power levels mean nothing.

Freeza came to Earth...everybody was scared because he was so much more powerful...Your point is what? Just because they can feel power level doesn't prove they know how strong one has to be to blow up something. Not when stronger people haven't, and Kid Buu had plenty of time, and plenty of want for destruction yet his attack only destroyed Earth.

Kid buu created a blast to blow earth up 10x in a few seconds, out of childish glee. That want a serious, cocentrated, powered up blast. Heck, 1 ki blast will blow earth to pieces. That shows how effortless planet blowing is to Buu.

And what you fail to realize is kid buu destroyed GALAXIES out of fun. His basis was that of a childs. He destroyed for fun, so he destroyed galaxies 1 by 1. Never was he serious enough to blow the universe up.

DBZ villianss all had a reason for not blowing everything into nothingness. Freiza wanted to rule, cell wanted goku and buu wanted to fight.

Originally posted by theonetheonly
Kid buu created a blast to blow earth up 10x in a few seconds, out of childish glee. That want a serious, cocentrated, powered up blast. Heck, 1 ki blast will blow earth to pieces. That shows how effortless planet blowing is to Buu.

And what you fail to realize is kid buu destroyed GALAXIES out of fun. His basis was that of a childs. He destroyed for fun, so he destroyed galaxies 1 by 1. Never was he serious enough to blow the universe up.

DBZ villianss all had a reason for not blowing everything into nothingness. Freiza wanted to rule, cell wanted goku and buu wanted to fight.

💃

again, they dont understand nothing about dbz.

Originally posted by theonetheonly
Kid buu created a blast to blow earth up 10x in a few seconds, out of childish glee. That want a serious, cocentrated, powered up blast. Heck, 1 ki blast will blow earth to pieces. That shows how effortless planet blowing is to Buu.

And what you fail to realize is kid buu destroyed GALAXIES out of fun. His basis was that of a childs. He destroyed for fun, so he destroyed galaxies 1 by 1. Never was he serious enough to blow the universe up.

DBZ villianss all had a reason for not blowing everything into nothingness. Freiza wanted to rule, cell wanted goku and buu wanted to fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Goku said this during his battle with frieza, he said that if he dont stop frieza now he would destroy the universe. King kai also said that when he told goku not to approach frieza or his rage would consume the universe. It was said twice (could have been more then that) and king kai alone should be enough proof stating that frieza has universal destroying power.

Frieza would destroy the universe in that he would conquer and ruin it since if they failed, no one would be able to stop him.

The second one is just lol.

Cell's most powerful blast was stated by him to be Solar System destroying.

Is Frieza more powerful than Cell now?

And since you all like to use the anime, Frieza fired a more powerful Death Ball than ever seen before, and Trunks casually blocked it with one hand and tossed it away from Earth and it exploded, Earth was unharmed.

And yet Neither Gokou or Vegeta could stop it..

They sure as hell couldnt since none of them werent even past supersaiyan and didnt have enough strength to stop it. You must forgot that they just got through fighting super buu. That was a stupid mistake on there part. Could superman stop that blast?

So anyway you look at it Cell wasn't able to destroy Solar Systems.

Cell knew his power since again they can read power levels, he knew that his beam was going to destroy the solar system.

And he didn't destroy Galaxies ever just planets.

I agree with you on this.

Freeza didn't have the power so the point is moot,

This is where I start disagree with you again, it was not only said by goku that frieza would destroy the universe, king kai said that same thing and guess what, both know how to read power levels.

Cell said he was going to yet somehow his and Gohan's power don't even come close to destroying Earth,

Was the blast directed at earth or was it form over earths crust.

and then he's contradicted by Buu's much stronger blast than his Kamehameha only destroying Earth.

What does this have to do with anything.

If Gokou and Vegeta couldn't stop it and Cell wasn't lying that blast they had to run from would had destroyed the whole solar system yet it was only Earth.

The sad thing is is that goku nor vegeta had the power to even stop the blast that cell was shooting AT gohun thats why a super saiyan 2 was there and the blast never destroyed earth, gohun got rid of it. Im pretty sure gohun can counter a planet destroying blast, hell if cell was just shooting a planet destroying blast they could have easily put krillin in gohun place to counter that attack.

Hyperbole in its purest form.

Powerlevel reading to its fullest.

Frieza would destroy the universe in that he would conquer and ruin it since if they failed, no one would be able to stop him.

So destroying now means conquer, damn my webster dictionary is backwards as hell.

Cell's most powerful blast was stated by him to be Solar System destroying.

How do you know that that was cell most powerful blast, I could have sworn during the beginning of him and gohun attack that he said that it was a solar system destroying blast, by the end of that encounter they were pouring out way more energy during his statement of destroying the solar system.

Is Frieza more powerful than Cell now?

He sure as hell isnt but that dont change the fact that he can destroy a universe also.

And since you all like to use the anime, Frieza fired a more powerful Death Ball than ever seen before, and Trunks casually blocked it with one hand and tossed it away from Earth and it exploded, Earth was unharmed.

😮 Couldnt trunks have cancelled out the blast, kinda like when goku canceled out frieza blast when he was super saiyan or do you remember that time when supersaiyan 2 goku and super saiyan 2 vegeta was fighting and goku canceled out his galek gun. 😆

I guess you didnt know that dragonball characters can do that huh. Its been happening since the beginning. It actually happened twice during the frieza and trunks fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Powerlevel reading to its fullest.

So destroying now means conquer, damn my webster dictionary is backwards as hell.

How do you know that that was cell most powerful blast, I could have sworn during the beginning of him and gohun attack that he said that it was a solar system destroying blast, by the end of that encounter they were pouring out way more energy during his statement of destroying the solar system.

He sure as hell isnt but that dont change the fact that he can destroy a universe also.

😮 Couldnt trunks have cancelled out the blast, kinda like when goku canceled out frieza blast when he was super saiyan or do you remember that time when supersaiyan 2 goku and super saiyan 2 vegeta was fighting and goku canceled out his galek gun. 😆

I guess you didnt know that dragonball characters can do that huh. Its been happening since the beginning. It actually happened twice during the frieza and trunks fight.

2. He would figuratively destroy it, yes. Though obviously that statement is bullshit as Frieza wanted to RULE the universe, but according to you he was going to destroy it?

3. It was a Kamehameha. Only Gohan poured more energy than he originally fired. Kamehamehas are continuous beams.

4. No he can't. His best feat is destroying a planet.

5. Only he didn't. He grabbed it and tossed it upwards, and it exploded. Cancelled blast don't explode like that did. That isn't cancelling anything.

1. Nah, Hyperbole, Frieza has not one feat to put him on universe busting. At all.

His powerlevel was his feat and at the time there was no need for him to destroy a universe, someone was in his way. Answer this, when superman gets a sun dip does his speed also increase and when you answer it tell me how do you know it does or it doesnt. I have yet to see superman say anything out of his mouth about this so I cant wait to see your answer.

He would figuratively destroy it, yes. Though obviously that statement is bullshit as Frieza wanted to RULE the universe, but according to you he was going to destroy it?

There was no need for the universe anymore, his goal was the dragonballs, with them gone he had a reason to destroy the universe since he'll never be immortal.

It was a Kamehameha. Only Gohan poured more energy than he originally fired. Kamehamehas are continuous beams.

That still dont mean that it was his most powerful blast. The galactus gun as matched the kamehameha before.

No he can't. His best feat is destroying a planet.

Again, what need was there to destroy the universe when that wasnt his goal at the time. His goal was to retrieve the dragonball. I think that beyonder can destroy a universe but he never did it and the time that he did do it it was canceled out by molecule man so we dont if it would have happened or not but I think that he could. Many beings have stated that beyonder has this power just like beings that can read power levels stated that frieza can.

Only he didn't. He grabbed it and tossed it upwards, and it exploded. Cancelled blast don't explode like that did. That isn't cancelling anything.

I thought frieza shot the blast that trunks was holding, I think you got that part wrong and when was it stated as being a planet destroying blast?

Originally posted by carver9
They sure as hell couldnt since none of them werent even past supersaiyan and didnt have enough strength to stop it. You must forgot that they just got through fighting super buu. That was a stupid mistake on there part. Could superman stop that blast?

Cell knew his power since again they can read power levels, he knew that his beam was going to destroy the solar system.

I agree with you on this.

This is where I start disagree with you again, it was not only said by goku that frieza would destroy the universe, king kai said that same thing and guess what, both know how to read power levels.

Was the blast directed at earth or was it form over earths crust.

What does this have to do with anything.

The sad thing is is that goku nor vegeta had the power to even stop the blast that cell was shooting AT gohun thats why a super saiyan 2 was there and the blast never destroyed earth, gohun got rid of it. Im pretty sure gohun can counter a planet destroying blast, hell if cell was just shooting a planet destroying blast they could have easily put krillin in gohun place to counter that attack.

No Cell said he had enough power to..Doesn't mean he actually had it. You take Cell's word about that but do you take Superman's word about being able to hit hard enough to destroy planets also? Or what about Hulk's word about him being the strongest there is?

What does the Kamehameha war have to do with if it's over the Earth or not? Two Solar System destroying blasts should shake more than the planet and not destroy anything after it's gone.

It has to do with the fact that Kid Buu's large ball that destroyed Earth was stronger than Cell's supposedly solar system destroying blast. I mean really Gokou and Vegeta combined should have been overkill for such a weak blast if Cell wasn't lying. And no they weren't weakened. Vegetto sure as heck didn't get weakened in his fight, and Gokou nor Vegeta did anything inside Buu to weaken themselves. Wow nice to know that Krillen could have stopped Buu's blast when Gokou and Vegeta failed to. So really Krillen is the most powerful then.

Originally posted by carver9
His powerlevel was his feat and at the time there was no need for him to destroy a universe, someone was in his way. Answer this, when superman gets a sun dip does his speed also increase and when you answer it tell me how do you know it does or it doesnt. I have yet to see superman say anything out of his mouth about this so I cant wait to see your answer.

There was no need for the universe anymore, his goal was the dragonballs, with them gone he had a reason to destroy the universe since he'll never be immortal.

That still dont mean that it was his most powerful blast. The galactus gun as matched the kamehameha before.

Again, what need was there to destroy the universe when that wasnt his goal at the time. His goal was to retrieve the dragonball. I think that beyonder can destroy a universe but he never did it and the time that he did do it it was canceled out by molecule man so we dont if it would have happened or not but I think that he could. Many beings have stated that beyonder has this power just like beings that can read power levels stated that frieza can.

I thought frieza shot the blast that trunks was holding, I think you got that part wrong and when was it stated as being a planet destroying blast?

2. His goal was universal domination, the Dragonballs were just going to be used for immortality so he could rule it forever. And Piccolo was alive, and he knew of Earth's Dragonballs, so why not just take Earth's?

3. It was his final blast that was difficult for Gohan to overpower. Oh, and by that point, SSJ Vegeta>>>Frieza, which means he would in your world be more powerful than a verse buster, hell, Piccolo would be too, as would SSJ2 Gohan, even with a fvcked up arm. So a Solar System busting blast should be no problem for them, but apparently it was.

4. First of all, Beyonder has literally destroyed universes by thinking too much(if you were referring to Pre Retcon). Second of all, Frieza's goal was never to blow up the universe, that would kill him too.

5. It was a Death Ball, much bigger than the one that destroyed Namek, and Frieza stated he was going to destroy the planet.

And come on Gokou is so worried about his child, and Vegeta is to yet they decide to run away from a blast they can stop even though they say they can't block it.

It was in the beginning of the blast when goku was saying that the blast could destroy 10 planets, not the end, and buu was still charging it up. Im pretty sure goku wouldnt survive it either and had no way of QUICKLY countering it.

You talk about them reading power levels...they know their own limits also.

They can read power levels, you should know this but that still dont mean that they can counter a quick attack like the one buu gathered up and if they even tried to counter it they would have still been dead because buu wouldnt have let them stop the blast. Theyre best bet was to run. But you know they were still mere supersaiyans, they never pumped it up to super sayain 2.

You believe Cell's hyperbole but Gokou saying he can't do something is suddenly wrong because he's not powered up even though he already knew he was weaker than Cell before even asking Korin he just wanted to make sure.

Do you not understand that noone read cell power level during that entire saga, he is a android, he dont have a power level.

The guy who fought Freeza even though he knew he was weaker but nobody else could.

Thats the kind of guy goku is, he goes against the odds and you also forgot that frieza was hiding his true power level. Damn I feel like a teacher.

And Superman could have survived the blast...Gokou and Vegeta had to run.

Prove to me that superman could have survived that blast. Let me guess your going to put up the scan of him survive the sun exploding, the yellow sun. Or how about the blast that he took outside the solar system, you know the one where he only got hit by the shock waves.

No Cell said he had enough power to..Doesn't mean he actually had it.

He had enough power to, he can read power levels and know his own power. If he couldnt instead of saying blow up the solar system, I think he would have easily said blow up the earth.

You take Cell's word about that but do you take Superman's word about being able to hit hard enough to destroy planets also?

No, I wont take superman word for it because for one he cant read powerlevels like cell can, 2 the guy struggled to move the moon and needed the aid of wonder woman and martian manhunter 2. Blue superman couldnt move earth by himself and needed the aid of wonder woman and martian manhunter. 3. Superman struggled to move a pyramid by himself and needed the aid of the lantern. 4. He had to fly through a moon to destroy it, 5) Unlike dragonball that can read powerlevels superman need on panel proof stating other wise because he dont have that unique ability.

Now about hulk, yes I do think that he is the strongest there is. Thats a true statement.

What does the Kamehameha war have to do with if it's over the Earth or not? Two Solar System destroying blasts should shake more than the planet and not destroy anything after it's gone.

It has a lot to do with it since dbz characters know how to focus there energy into on particular spot and if it wasnt directed towards earth, Im thinking shaking the planet is good enough for it.

It has to do with the fact that Kid Buu's large ball that destroyed Earth was stronger than Cell's supposedly solar system destroying blast.

How do you know that its stronger, did goku tell you this. It was never stated which blast was stronger and it was never stated if goku could stop either.

I mean really Gokou and Vegeta combined should have been overkill for such a weak blast if Cell wasn't lying.

What does goku and vegeta have to do with cell blast since either of them were there to counter it. You must forgot that gohun was fighting cell in the end and how quickly kid buu gathered that energy, I dont even think that super sayain 2 could have stopped it.

And no they weren't weakened. Vegetto sure as heck didn't get weakened in his fight, and Gokou nor Vegeta did anything inside Buu to weaken themselves.

Agreed

Wow nice to know that Krillen could have stopped Buu's blast when Gokou and Vegeta failed to.

Did I say krillin could stop buu blast, I said that if cell only shot a planet destroying blast there wasnt a need for gohun since krillin could have taken care of it. To bad it was so much more then that.

So really Krillen is the most powerful then.

More powerful then superman, we finally agree on something.

1. His powerlevel was less than SSJ Goku's, who had one of 160,000,000. The average human has one of 3

Agree.

So roughly less than 53,333,333 humans should be able to destroy a universe by powerlevel logic.

Can humans control ki like dragonball characters. You do know that goku used human energy to create spirit bombs sometimes right.

Hell, by powerlevel logic Roshi can destroy a few galaxies too.

We dont know what roshi can destroy since again theres no reason for him to do such a thing but we do know that he destroyed a moon quite easily and picollo destroyed the moon with just two fingers.

That is if Frieza is actually universe busting. Which he is not. Though powerlevel logic is BS anyway.

You dont like powerlevels because I dont think that you want these characters possess the powers that was stated in the comic. I dont have a problem with that as long as I know what they mean in dbz by powerlevels. I know that master roshi had the power level of 131 and easily gather enough ki to destroy a moon. I know by the time goku fought raditz his powers level was double that so he should be able to destroy something twice the size of the moon, thats what I understand.

2. His goal was universal domination, the Dragonballs were just going to be used for immortality so he could rule it forever. And Piccolo was alive, and he knew of Earth's Dragonballs, so why not just take Earth's?

I agree his goal was universe domination until goku fueled his rage and he lost the dragonball. Frieza thought that he had no equal and he destroyed the planet vegeta due to him thinking that they would pose a threat. He then meet up with another sayain that wasnt on planet vegeta during its destruction. He met goku and found out that he has someone who can challenge him. Frieza being afraid of someone being above him gives him plenty of reasons to destroy the universe. If goku didnt stop him that would have been the end. You must forgot that frieza thought that he killed picollo. He did shoot him in the chest and how would he know that picollo could even create dragonballs.

It was his final blast that was difficult for Gohan to overpower.

Still dont mean that it was his most powerful attack.

Oh, and by that point, SSJ Vegeta>>>Frieza,

True statement.

which means he would in your world be more powerful than a verse buster,

Is it even possible to destroy beyond a universe.

Piccolo would be too, as would SSJ2 Gohan, even with a fvcked up arm.

If frieza could do it why couldnt his superiors. I Agree.

So a Solar System busting blast should be no problem for them, but apparently it was.

For a serverly weakened gohun, yep it would be. Gohun was losing blood all over the place and his confindence was completely gone. He lost hope and basically gave up. That was a crippled gohun, so cell over powering him isnt a bad showing.

4. First of all, Beyonder has literally destroyed universes by thinking too much(if you were referring to Pre Retcon). Second of all, Frieza's goal was never to blow up the universe, that would kill him too.

I wasnt talking about pre retcon, Im talking about the not so powerful beyonder that could still erase reality with a thought.

Frieza took a planet destroying blast with no problem. It wasnt the planet blowing up on him that almost killed him, it was what goku did to him that almost killed him. Theres no telling where frieza durability is at, he didnt have a scratch. The only injuries that he had was from a disc that can rip through matter.

It was a Death Ball, much bigger than the one that destroyed Namek, and Frieza stated he was going to destroy the planet.

Size dont matter, buu shot a blast out the size of his hand but it was going to destroy the planet.

I dont remember frieza saying that he was going to destroy the planet with that blast.

Originally posted by carver9
It was in the beginning of the blast when goku was saying that the blast could destroy 10 planets, not the end, and buu was still charging it up. Im pretty sure goku wouldnt survive it either and had no way of QUICKLY countering it.

They can read power levels, you should know this but that still dont mean that they can counter a quick attack like the one buu gathered up and if they even tried to counter it they would have still been dead because buu wouldnt have let them stop the blast. Theyre best bet was to run. But you know they were still mere supersaiyans, they never pumped it up to super sayain 2.

Do you not understand that noone read cell power level during that entire saga, he is a android, he dont have a power level.

Thats the kind of guy goku is, he goes against the odds and you also forgot that frieza was hiding his true power level. Damn I feel like a teacher.

Prove to me that superman could have survived that blast. Let me guess your going to put up the scan of him survive the sun exploding, the yellow sun. Or how about the blast that he took outside the solar system, you know the one where he only got hit by the shock waves.

He had enough power to, he can read power levels and know his own power. If he couldnt instead of saying blow up the solar system, I think he would have easily said blow up the earth.

No, I wont take superman word for it because for one he cant read powerlevels like cell can, 2 the guy struggled to move the moon and needed the aid of wonder woman and martian manhunter 2. Blue superman couldnt move earth by himself and needed the aid of wonder woman and martian manhunter. 3. Superman struggled to move a pyramid by himself and needed the aid of the lantern. 4. He had to fly through a moon to destroy it, 5) Unlike dragonball that can read powerlevels superman need on panel proof stating other wise because he dont have that unique ability.

Now about hulk, yes I do think that he is the strongest there is. Thats a true statement.

It has a lot to do with it since dbz characters know how to focus there energy into on particular spot and if it wasnt directed towards earth, Im thinking shaking the planet is good enough for it.

How do you know that its stronger, did goku tell you this. It was never stated which blast was stronger and it was never stated if goku could stop either.

What does goku and vegeta have to do with cell blast since either of them were there to counter it. You must forgot that gohun was fighting cell in the end and how quickly kid buu gathered that energy, I dont even think that super sayain 2 could have stopped it.

Agreed

Did I say krillin could stop buu blast, I said that if cell only shot a planet destroying blast there wasnt a need for gohun since krillin could have taken care of it. To bad it was so much more then that.

More powerful then superman, we finally agree on something.

Because they couldn't have just fought Buu on Earth like they did on Kaioshin's planet or anything..So they decided to let their children die so they could fight someplace else. That really makes no sense at all.

Cell did have a power level. He wasn't like 18, 17, or 16. That's why he had to hide it when he was 1st form.

Yea that's the point I was making..Gokou goes against the odds if nobody else can. When he says he can't stop something aka Buu's blast...you tend to believe he can't do it. Why waste the energy to stop a blast he can't when he knows it's pointless?

How about Superman being between two planets as they collided, or being on the moon as it was blown up.

Cell's statement was proven false in the Buu Saga. Just because they can read power levels doesn't mean anything. How do they know how much energy it takes to destroy something nobody ever attempted to destroy? Vegeta destroyed planets before that's why I believe he could with his Galic Gun. There is a big difference between Vegeta's statement, and Cell's. One did it all the time the other didn't and was contradicted in the next saga.

Superman knows his power just as good as Cell knows his own power. Superman Blue was weaker than normal Superman...from all I can tell. And besides when has Superman ever claimed to be able to move Earth just shatter small planets with punches. Which should be easier. As for that pyramid...another example. Superman could've smashed that pyramid easily...Though I don't know what pyramid you're talking about anyway.

Hulk was proven weaker than Thanos, Drax, Surfer, and even recently Red Hulk. So no his statement isn't true. Maybe strongest on Earth before Red Hulk but he just constantly calls himself strongest there is.

Gokou himself said he couldn't stop Kid Buu's attack that destroyed Earth...Vegeta earlier even said he was stronger than Gohan was as a kid...and he wasn't even ssj2 yet. Adding everything up makes Kid Buu's blast > Cell's Kamehameha.

Vegeta and Gokou have to do with it because Vegeta and Gokou in the Buu saga are stronger than Cell and Gohan were in the Cell saga. Gokou can go ssj3 in a instant proven when Kid Buu gets to Kaioshin planet. Instead of doing that he tries to get Kid Buu not to throw it because he knows he can't block it. Vegeta at ssj2, and Gokou at ssj3 could of instantly just did Final Flash and Kamehameha to try and stop it, it's not like it came fast but no they run away.

Kid Buu's blast was only planet destroying...If Krillen can stop planet destroying blasts than he should be able to block Kid Buu's...Gokou and Vegeta ran from it because they couldn't stop it. Therefore Krillen is stronger than Gokou.

😛 You know very well I wasn't talking about Krillen being more powerful than Superman lol.

]In the manga Gokou never says anything about it being that powerful. He just tries to get Buu to stop. A planet destroying blast...or even the power to destroy ten planets shouldn't be much for Gokou at all to block yet they couldn't. It's not like Gokou can't go ssj3 in an instant.

This is a anime thread but we can talk about the manga also if you want.

They were never super saiyan two and again if they tried to stop the blast they would have gotten killed by a rage buu. There best bet was to run. I do agree that he could go super sayain 3 in a instant but he would have to focus on stopping a blast, worry about kid buu attacking him and then try to save his family. Damn that seem impossible, even for goku. He made a sacrifice but he knew that in the long run he would kill buu. Earth wasnt nothing but a big ball anyway, buu killed every life on that planet. There was nothing to save.

Because they couldn't have just fought Buu on Earth like they did on Kaioshin's planet or anything..So they decided to let their children die so they could fight someplace else. That really makes no sense at all.

They had to flee earth and they didnt decide to leave there kids, they didnt have a choice. Either get killed saving there kids which all of them would have died or teleport and fight buu before he destroys the universe. Which one sound better to you.

Cell did have a power level. He wasn't like 18, 17, or 16. That's why he had to hide it when he was 1st form.

Cell never had a power level that he could read. Goku admitted this when he fought the dr that created them. He said that he dont sense anything from them. Androids dont have a powerlevel to sense.

Yea that's the point I was making..Gokou goes against the odds if nobody else can. When he says he can't stop something aka Buu's blast...you tend to believe he can't do it. Why waste the energy to stop a blast he can't when he knows it's pointless?

I agree, it was pointless because he would have gotten killed trying to stop it, even if he went up to super saiyan 4. Its not good to make a mistake against powerful dbz enemies.

How about Superman being between two planets as they collided, or being on the moon as it was blown up.

Nice feat for superman even though he was knocked out. Do you consider that greater then surviving a blown up planet. I never read that book but I think that its more behind that story then what has been said. I'll buy it tomorrow.

Cell's statement was proven false in the Buu Saga. Just because they can read power levels doesn't mean anything. How do they know how much energy it takes to destroy something nobody ever attempted to destroy?

The same way goku knew that kid buu shot a planet destroying blast and him and vegita end up shooting the blast out of the way.

Vegeta destroyed planets before that's why I believe he could with his Galic Gun.

and cell>>>>>>>>>vegita that blew up the planet.

How do they know how much energy it takes to destroy something nobody ever attempted to destroy?

because again they can read power levels. How do you think that master roshi knew he gathered up enough energy to destroy a moon.

There is a big difference between Vegeta's statement, and Cell's. One did it all the time the other didn't and was contradicted in the next saga.

That still dont change the fact that cell>>>>>>vegita during that episode.

Superman knows his power just as good as Cell knows his own power.

Superman dont know nothing more then cell does and Im not giving the reason again.

Superman Blue was weaker than normal Superman

Superman blue was stated as being the most powerful being in his universe. He had power that was stated could rival spectre. The guy out wrestled asmodel, a angel of destruction. He was>>>superman, no matter how much superman sundip.

And besides when has Superman ever claimed to be able to move Earth just shatter small planets with punches.

I dont think that he can do either since he struggled to move a moon and a pyramid.

Hulk was proven weaker than Thanos

Thanos feared fighting hulk

Drax, Surfer, and even recently Red Hulk.

Drax has the powergem and hulk still matched him in strength. Surfer got koed by hulk before and gets manhandled ever time he tries to lock fist with him. Red hulk IS hulk so Im not arguing against that.

Gokou himself said he couldn't stop Kid Buu's attack that destroyed Earth...

No he couldnt and there are many reasons why he couldnt.

Vegeta earlier even said he was stronger than Gohan was as a kid...

No, you got that wrong, vegeta said GOKU was as strong as gohun was when he was a kid and you must forgot that vegeta was amped when he was under bobadi spell. He never turned super saiyan2 when he returned back to earth because he lost that amp.

Adding everything up makes Kid Buu's blast > Cell's Kamehameha.

Your caculations are wrong I can help you, cell blast>>>>>>>>buu blast and neither goku nor vegita was there to test it.

Vegeta and Gokou have to do with it because Vegeta and Gokou in the Buu saga are stronger than Cell and Gohan were in the Cell saga.

How do you know that super saiyan 2 goku>gohun super sayain 2.

Gokou can go ssj3 in a instant proven when Kid Buu gets to Kaioshin planet. Instead of doing that he tries to get Kid Buu not to throw it because he knows he can't block it.

Im leaving this alone, I already answered this.

Vegeta at ssj2, and Gokou at ssj3 could of instantly just did Final Flash

Final flash is childs play and it wouldnt work on buu since he'll be up on them in nanoseconds.

😛 You know very well I wasn't talking about Krillen being more powerful than Superman lol.

I know, I just had to mess with you.

Originally posted by carver9
Agree.

Can humans control ki like dragonball characters. You do know that goku used human energy to create spirit bombs sometimes right.

We dont know what roshi can destroy since again theres no reason for him to do such a thing but we do know that he destroyed a moon quite easily and picollo destroyed the moon with just two fingers.

You dont like powerlevels because I dont think that you want these characters possess the powers that was stated in the comic. I dont have a problem with that as long as I know what they mean in dbz by powerlevels. I know that master roshi had the power level of 131 and easily gather enough ki to destroy a moon. I know by the time goku fought raditz his powers level was double that so he should be able to destroy something twice the size of the moon, thats what I understand.

I agree his goal was universe domination until goku fueled his rage and he lost the dragonball. Frieza thought that he had no equal and he destroyed the planet vegeta due to him thinking that they would pose a threat. He then meet up with another sayain that wasnt on planet vegeta during its destruction. He met goku and found out that he has someone who can challenge him. Frieza being afraid of someone being above him gives him plenty of reasons to destroy the universe. If goku didnt stop him that would have been the end. You must forgot that frieza thought that he killed picollo. He did shoot him in the chest and how would he know that picollo could even create dragonballs.

Still dont mean that it was his most powerful attack.

True statement.

Is it even possible to destroy beyond a universe.

If frieza could do it why couldnt his superiors. I Agree.

For a serverly weakened gohun, yep it would be. Gohun was losing blood all over the place and his confindence was completely gone. He lost hope and basically gave up. That was a crippled gohun, so cell over powering him isnt a bad showing.

I wasnt talking about pre retcon, Im talking about the not so powerful beyonder that could still erase reality with a thought.

Frieza took a planet destroying blast with no problem. It wasnt the planet blowing up on him that almost killed him, it was what goku did to him that almost killed him. Theres no telling where frieza durability is at, he didnt have a scratch. The only injuries that he had was from a disc that can rip through matter.

Size dont matter, buu shot a blast out the size of his hand but it was going to destroy the planet.

I dont remember frieza saying that he was going to destroy the planet with that blast.

2. So Roshi can destroy galaxies? Answer the question. Roshi with a full powered Kamehameha did not destroy a planet, his FP Kamehameha being when he buffs up. Which calls into question why he used it to blow out a castle fire(which also destroyed the castle).

3. Oh no, they indicate who>who, but are not a good indicator of who can destroy what.

4. I'm just going to say prove it. NOWHERE did Frieza say that he would destroy the universe, what fallible 3rd party characters say can blow my nuts.

5. Yeah it does, no other attack was even implied to be as strong.

6. Yeah it is possible to destroy beyond a universe. Many characters in fiction have.

7. Only Frieza can't do it.

8. It was a SSJ2 Gohan with a gimped arm. That is it. SSJ2 Gohan>>>>>>Frieza by a very large margin. Even with his gimped arm he would beat him. Yet a Solar System destroyer was too much. And what about Vegeta? He wasn't badly injured, yet could not stop the blast himself. Neither could Piccolo. Your logic is flawed my friend. Oh, and a blast that was, and I quote, able to destroy Earth ten times over, was too powerful for Goku and Vegeta, both who can reach SSJ2, Goku can reach SSJ3, to stop. So Frieza can destroy a universe, but Goku and Vegeta, his superiors, can't stop a planet destroying attack X10? That logic is poor in all honesty.

9. Even Post Retcon Beyonder has feats beyond universal.

10. You have no basis for that statement. We don't know what state Frieza was in after the attack by Goku so we have no idea which attack did more damage. A disc that can rip through matter? My finger can rip through matter. What is your point? If one thing is stronger than another thing, it can rip through it.

11. And Goku and Vegeta could not stop it. But apparently Frieza could destroy the universe. Poor logic.

12. He did.

This is my last post for tonight. Ill talk with you all tomorrow.

1. And Spirit Bombs never destroy...Anything. Like at all, the craters are not even city size, it is more of a plot move to kill evil.

I agree with this post but that wasnt the reason why I brought up the spirit bomb.

2. So Roshi can destroy galaxies? Answer the question. Roshi with a full powered Kamehameha did not destroy a planet, his FP Kamehameha being when he buffs up. Which calls into question why he used it to blow out a castle fire(which also destroyed the castle).

I dont know what roshi can destroy but I know one thing if roshi can destroy a moon, a planet or a solar system shouldnt be sh** to frieza.

I dont get your point about the castle thing. Its not like he poured out the same amount of energy as he did with the moon.

3. Oh no, they indicate who>who, but are not a good indicator of who can destroy what.

The numbers work pretty good to me. Goku during the cell saga had to use energy against energy to stop vegeta from destroying a planet. During the frieza saga they were slapping nukes and earth shattering blast out with there bare hands like its childs play.

4. I'm just going to say prove it. NOWHERE did Frieza say that he would destroy the universe, what fallible 3rd party characters say can blow my nuts.

😆 Good one. I agree frieza never said that he can destroy the universe but it didnt take frieza to say it since goku knew that he had the potential and king kai also knew this. Reading power levels is a amaziing thing. I wish frieza would have had this gift, he would have known that super sayain goku was stronger then him.

5. Yeah it does, no other attack was even implied to be as strong.

and that attack was never implied to be the strongest either.

6. Yeah it is possible to destroy beyond a universe. Many characters in fiction have.

Well I dont think that any character in dbz can go that far.

7. Only Frieza can do it.

I fixed it for you.

8. It was a SSJ2 Gohan with a gimped arm.

That was losing blood.

SSJ2 Gohan>>>>>>Frieza by a very large margin.

I agree.

Even with his gimped arm he would beat him.

Not a healthy and undamaged frieza. Naah, I doubt that.

Yet a Solar System destroyer was too much.

I agree it was too much because at the beginning it was a solar system blast, during the middle and the end it was so much more. Cell did state that it was a solar system blast when they 1st started and they were increasing by the second.

And what about Vegeta?

What about him.

He wasn't badly injured,

Actually he was, he fought cell junior and then he also lost a lot of energy attacking a cell that injured his son, then not only that he got kicked by a amped cell that shot a blast through his son.

Neither could Piccolo.

Injured fighting the cell juniors and he couldnt even get past cell forcefield that he had up. Vegita was the only one that could do it.

Your logic is flawed my friend.

I think my logic is pretty good and Im basing everything off of what actually happened.

Oh, and a blast that was, and I quote, able to destroy Earth ten times over, was too powerful for Goku and Vegeta,

They never said that it was to powerful they took the best step to save the universe.

both who can reach SSJ2, Goku can reach SSJ3, to stop.

Buu would have been all over them if they tried to stop that blast. That would be suicidal.

So Frieza can destroy a universe, but Goku and Vegeta, his superiors, can't stop a planet destroying attack X10? That logic is poor in all honesty.

It was never stated that they couldnt stop it they just took the best tactic before dying.

9. Even Post Retcon Beyonder has feats beyond universal.

I agree and thats what I said, I just said that he was just weaker then pre.

10. You have no basis for that statement. We don't know what state Frieza was in after the attack by Goku so we have no idea which attack did more damage. A disc that can rip through matter? My finger can rip through matter. What is your point? If one thing is stronger than another thing, it can rip through it.

We do know what state he was in because they showed him. He had the same damage that he had with his fight with goku. His father even say that he son cant be destroyed as easily as a planet.

My point is that the disc can cut through anything.

11. And Goku and Vegeta could not stop it. But apparently Frieza could destroy the universe. Poor logic.

Again it was never stated that they couldnt stop it, they just took the best tactic before dying. Buu can regenerate, they cant.